College ED -- Just the Facts (Results Thread)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College Applied to: Pomona College
Result: Deferred
SAT/ACT: 1540 SAT (770 Math, 770 Reading), 750 Literature Subject Test, 790 Chemistry Subject Test, 800 Math II Subject Test
Class rank: Salutatorian
Legacy: None
URM: No
Aid: Full Pay
Why: Her top choice
Next steps: Apply EDII at either UChicago or Swarthmore, apply RD to Amherst, Carleton, Colby, Bowdoin, Barnard, Wellesley, Columbia, Yale, Tufts. Already admitted to a match and safety school.

So tough out there for a girl. Would recommend Swarthmore in ED II if she would be happy there. If she didn't get into Pomona ED, not likely to get into Columbia, Yale, maybe not Amherst or Tufts (due to yield protection)

It's actually a very good sign to be deferred from Pomona. They're like Stanford in that they reject the majority of their early candidates and defer only a select few who they like but want to review later. Most other LACs and east coast universities resort to deferring most ED students, which is basically a courtesy rejection (though a small group does get in later).

I don't think that people on this board realize how selective it is to get into Pomona. They have the second lowest ED acceptance rate in the country after Columbia University- yes, more than UChicago, Brown, Penn, etc. Their overall acceptance rate for females was just 7% last year. I would not read too much into this as a sign for what is to come. That goes for any highly selective ED program, though, not just Pomona. As pointed out previously, even at the LACs where the ED acceptance rate is much higher, that number is skewed by recruited athletes.

That list does feel reach-heavy, though. I might encourage her to add Vassar, Wesleyan, Scripps, Smith, and other less selective LACs. Her stats might get her merit aid from some of them. And it never hurts to reflect on the application to see if you could do something different.

Make sure you show interest in Carleton if it's a serious contender. They attract similar applicants, but Carleton is much less fickle if you have great credentials.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College Applied to: Pomona College
Result: Deferred
SAT/ACT: 1540 SAT (770 Math, 770 Reading), 750 Literature Subject Test, 790 Chemistry Subject Test, 800 Math II Subject Test
Class rank: Salutatorian
Legacy: None
URM: No
Aid: Full Pay
Why: Her top choice
Next steps: Apply EDII at either UChicago or Swarthmore, apply RD to Amherst, Carleton, Colby, Bowdoin, Barnard, Wellesley, Columbia, Yale, Tufts. Already admitted to a match and safety school.

So tough out there for a girl. Would recommend Swarthmore in ED II if she would be happy there. If she didn't get into Pomona ED, not likely to get into Columbia, Yale, maybe not Amherst or Tufts (due to yield protection)

It's actually a very good sign to be deferred from Pomona. They're like Stanford in that they reject the majority of their early candidates and defer only a select few who they like but want to review later. Most other LACs and east coast universities resort to deferring most ED students, which is basically a courtesy rejection (though a small group does get in later).

I don't think that people on this board realize how selective it is to get into Pomona. They have the second lowest ED acceptance rate in the country after Columbia University- yes, more than UChicago, Brown, Penn, etc. Their overall acceptance rate for females was just 7% last year. I would not read too much into this as a sign for what is to come. That goes for any highly selective ED program, though, not just Pomona. As pointed out previously, even at the LACs where the ED acceptance rate is much higher, that number is skewed by recruited athletes.

That list does feel reach-heavy, though. I might encourage her to add Vassar, Wesleyan, Scripps, Smith, and other less selective LACs. Her stats might get her merit aid from some of them. And it never hurts to reflect on the application to see if you could do something different.

Make sure you show interest in Carleton if it's a serious contender. They attract similar applicants, but Carleton is much less fickle if you have great credentials.

This is what pisses me off about ED. Sure it's very useful to the school, but kids interested in, say, three great schools can only pick one. mMy choice for my kis was Carleton, but DC went with a different school. Haven't heard yet, but the odds are slim. Meanwhile I think DC had a better chance at Carleton, but now DC is in the RD pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, can you ask Jeff to delete your thread and re-post something less invasive. This is asking to dox local kids. Thanks.

just delete the high school. that's nobody's business - and as you say, some have graduating classes of 65-70 kids and they can figure out who the info is about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm assuming the Pomona poster is full of crap. Same booster on here every week. Worse than the Penn parents.

Are you referring to my post? I'm a college consultant who helps students with the process (most of my students apply to LACs). So it is my duty to be informed about the selectivity of colleges.

The source for both statements are here.

https://www.pomona.edu/admissions/learn-more/frequently-asked-questions-about-decisions

"I've been deferred. What do I do next? We defer fewer ED applicants than we admit, so a deferral is by no means an automatic or thoughtless decision. It means that, while we were impressed with your application and would like to see you in the class, we have decided to consider your application again in the context of the broader applicant pool."

https://pomona.box.com/s/p5wp4fuwww32ii3nn8kdijkcddcmgsuh
https://www.ivycoach.com/2021-ivy-league-admissions-statistics/ (for Columbia, Penn, Dartmouth, Brown)

Early Decision Acceptance Rate: 19.3% (208/1080 admitted)
Female Acceptance Rate: 7.2% (399/5545 admitted)

Hope this helps!

[Anonymous]

Oh, should make it clear where the box info is from.

The Common Data Set, which is widely looked into by admission professionals, links to it. It's the 2017-2018 edition

https://www.pomona.edu/administration/institutional-research/common-data-set

Good tool to get data about the early acceptance rate and specific breakdowns by gender and race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stepson rejected ED Stanford.

Nephew deferred ED Swarthmore.

Both jarring surprises.

With 5% acceptance rate, no one should be surprised to be rejected from Stanford.

A Cali private school that typically sends no less than 10 kids to Stanford every year reportedly got zero accepted last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stepson rejected ED Stanford.

Nephew deferred ED Swarthmore.

Both jarring surprises.

With 5% acceptance rate, no one should be surprised to be rejected from Stanford.

A Cali private school that typically sends no less than 10 kids to Stanford every year reportedly got zero accepted last year.

Which California private school is that?

[Anonymous]

Can't be Gunn or Harvard-Westlake. Several students were just admitted EA to Stanford.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can't be Gunn or Harvard-Westlake. Several students were just admitted EA to Stanford.

The post claims that this happened last year, not this one.

[Anonymous]

Definitely not Gunn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, can you ask Jeff to delete your thread and re-post something less invasive. This is asking to dox local kids. Thanks.

just delete the high school. that's nobody's business - and as you say, some have graduating classes of 65-70 kids and they can figure out who the info is about.

+1. Too much detail. I was the one who said previously to use college confidential but got snapped at because someone wanted a local survey. This is too much information to be providing in public about your children and may out them in their school or out their high school.

[Anonymous]

This is OP back. I had no idea that this would be so controversial. Welcome to the College Board, I guess. I thought this info would be helpful to other newbies who are 1+ year out.

I did not mean to out anyone nor even the name of the high school, simply "Public" or "Private" and, if possible, MCPS, FCPS, APS, DCPS, Etc.

Happy to redevelop the survey and ask Jeff to delete and replace this thread.

College:
Result:
SAT/ACT Percentile or Score:
Legacy (Y/N):
URM (Y/N):
Aid or Full Pay:
Who guided you to this ED selection (I'm looking to see where the advice came from -- a HS guidance counselor, parent influence, senior's top choice, outside college counselor who had some strategy, etc):

Critique away and let's get it right and start a new thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College Applied to: Pomona College
Result: Deferred
SAT/ACT: 1540 SAT (770 Math, 770 Reading), 750 Literature Subject Test, 790 Chemistry Subject Test, 800 Math II Subject Test
Class rank: Salutatorian
Legacy: None
URM: No
Aid: Full Pay
Why: Her top choice
Next steps: Apply EDII at either UChicago or Swarthmore, apply RD to Amherst, Carleton, Colby, Bowdoin, Barnard, Wellesley, Columbia, Yale, Tufts. Already admitted to a match and safety school.

So tough out there for a girl. Would recommend Swarthmore in ED II if she would be happy there. If she didn't get into Pomona ED, not likely to get into Columbia, Yale, maybe not Amherst or Tufts (due to yield protection)

It's actually a very good sign to be deferred from Pomona. They're like Stanford in that they reject the majority of their early candidates and defer only a select few who they like but want to review later. Most other LACs and east coast universities resort to deferring most ED students, which is basically a courtesy rejection (though a small group does get in later).

I don't think that people on this board realize how selective it is to get into Pomona. They have the second lowest ED acceptance rate in the country after Columbia University- yes, more than UChicago, Brown, Penn, etc. Their overall acceptance rate for females was just 7% last year. I would not read too much into this as a sign for what is to come. That goes for any highly selective ED program, though, not just Pomona. As pointed out previously, even at the LACs where the ED acceptance rate is much higher, that number is skewed by recruited athletes.

That list does feel reach-heavy, though. I might encourage her to add Vassar, Wesleyan, Scripps, Smith, and other less selective LACs. Her stats might get her merit aid from some of them. And it never hurts to reflect on the application to see if you could do something different.

Make sure you show interest in Carleton if it's a serious contender. They attract similar applicants, but Carleton is much less fickle if you have great credentials.

This is what pisses me off about ED. Sure it's very useful to the school, but kids interested in, say, three great schools can only pick one. mMy choice for my kis was Carleton, but DC went with a different school. Haven't heard yet, but the odds are slim. Meanwhile I think DC had a better chance at Carleton, but now DC is in the RD pool.

I made the comment about Carleton, and I wasn't referring to ED. I think a person with this kids' stats who shows interest in RD has a great shot there, especially if they really like the school and can communicate that that in the application.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is OP back. I had no idea that this would be so controversial. Welcome to the College Board, I guess. I thought this info would be helpful to other newbies who are 1+ year out.

I did not mean to out anyone nor even the name of the high school, simply "Public" or "Private" and, if possible, MCPS, FCPS, APS, DCPS, Etc.

Happy to redevelop the survey and ask Jeff to delete and replace this thread.

College:
Result:
SAT/ACT Percentile or Score:
Legacy (Y/N):
URM (Y/N):
Aid or Full Pay:
Who guided you to this ED selection (I'm looking to see where the advice came from -- a HS guidance counselor, parent influence, senior's top choice, outside college counselor who had some strategy, etc):

Critique away and let's get it right and start a new thread.

It shouldn't be controversial--there are thousands of kids in this area applying to many of the same schools. People here are paranoid and are clearly not familiar with CC. On your survey, I'd note that you haven't included recruited athletes in the hooks section, and you'd need GPA for context.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is OP back. I had no idea that this would be so controversial. Welcome to the College Board, I guess. I thought this info would be helpful to other newbies who are 1+ year out.

I did not mean to out anyone nor even the name of the high school, simply "Public" or "Private" and, if possible, MCPS, FCPS, APS, DCPS, Etc.

Happy to redevelop the survey and ask Jeff to delete and replace this thread.

College:
Result:
SAT/ACT Percentile or Score:
Legacy (Y/N):
URM (Y/N):
Aid or Full Pay:
Who guided you to this ED selection (I'm looking to see where the advice came from -- a HS guidance counselor, parent influence, senior's top choice, outside college counselor who had some strategy, etc):

Critique away and let's get it right and start a new thread.

It shouldn't be controversial--there are thousands of kids in this area applying to many of the same schools. People here are paranoid and are clearly not familiar with CC. On your survey, I'd note that you haven't included recruited athletes in the hooks section, and you'd need GPA for context.

Nonsense. There are not "thousands" of kids from around here who applied to a certain SLAC that announced last week. And if I were to mention the URM status - the parents of the kid might well know who posted.the info, which is why I'm not going to do it.