Oldest kids in class do better, even through college - NPR

[Anonymous]

I know a few kids who repeated a preK or K year -- but I'm always surprised by red-shirting. Are families paying for an entire year more of daycare? I can't imagine any of the public school families I know having the resources to throw 15-20K at this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know a few kids who repeated a preK or K year -- but I'm always surprised by red-shirting. Are families paying for an entire year more of daycare? I can't imagine any of the public school families I know having the resources to throw 15-20K at this.

All of us with kids born after the cut off automatically pay an extra year of daycare. Especially in this area, lots of people manage.

[Anonymous]

I've always thought the best approach would be to have a 4-6 week flex on either suede of the cutoff and otherwise strictly enforce non-redshirting. NYC publication enforce strictly, for example.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If schools don't want parents to redshirt, they need to tone down the early elementary years. Otherwise, we will continue to have kids who turn 7 in kindergarten.

"Schools" are doing this because the privatization movement (supported by both parties) has convinced the general public that the raving inequalities in our schools aren't due to poverty (which they are), but due to poor teaching. Until the public wisens up and starts working to reduce inequalities--which begin long before the first day of preschool--nothing's going to get better. Go read a Diane Ravitch book if you're honestly interested in learning more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know a few kids who repeated a preK or K year -- but I'm always surprised by red-shirting. Are families paying for an entire year more of daycare? I can't imagine any of the public school families I know having the resources to throw 15-20K at this.

All of us with kids born after the cut off automatically pay an extra year of daycare. Especially in this area, lots of people manage.

I mean, your post explains how people redshirt if they can't afford to pay extra. One EOTP DCPS PK-3 class has 3 kids who went to PK-3 last year (1 there and 2 elsewhere).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If schools don't want parents to redshirt, they need to tone down the early elementary years. Otherwise, we will continue to have kids who turn 7 in kindergarten.

"Schools" are doing this because the privatization movement (supported by both parties) has convinced the general public that the raving inequalities in our schools aren't due to poverty (which they are), but due to poor teaching. Until the public wisens up and starts working to reduce inequalities--which begin long before the first day of preschool--nothing's going to get better. Go read a Diane Ravitch book if you're honestly interested in learning more.

Diane Ravitch...what is this, 1987?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know a few kids who repeated a preK or K year -- but I'm always surprised by red-shirting. Are families paying for an entire year more of daycare? I can't imagine any of the public school families I know having the resources to throw 15-20K at this.

It's a game played by the white privileged set.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If schools don't want parents to redshirt, they need to tone down the early elementary years. Otherwise, we will continue to have kids who turn 7 in kindergarten.

"Schools" are doing this because the privatization movement (supported by both parties) has convinced the general public that the raving inequalities in our schools aren't due to poverty (which they are), but due to poor teaching. Until the public wisens up and starts working to reduce inequalities--which begin long before the first day of preschool--nothing's going to get better. Go read a Diane Ravitch book if you're honestly interested in learning more.

Diane Ravitch...what is this, 1987?

Definitely an example of a stupid American proud to wallow in ignorance. She's the forefront of the anti-privatization movement in the US, and her text Reign of Error continues to be the top text in federal education legislation on Amazon, 3 years and 414 reviews later with a 4.7 average.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This always makes me secretly glad for my middle of the pack January month kid.

Yeah, uh, that kid will be one of the oldest.

No, I think middle??

Yes I have an summer young one who I sent on time and I hated hearing that red shirted kids would be over a year older. With my Jan bday kid I have less of a reaction hearing about redshirted kids bc it's only 6 months older.

Re: sports, it's interesting. I read the chapter about this in one of Malcolm Gladwell's books. But at the same time, I see that the kids who are REALLY good are better than kids multiple years older than them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If schools don't want parents to redshirt, they need to tone down the early elementary years. Otherwise, we will continue to have kids who turn 7 in kindergarten.

"Schools" are doing this because the privatization movement (supported by both parties) has convinced the general public that the raving inequalities in our schools aren't due to poverty (which they are), but due to poor teaching. Until the public wisens up and starts working to reduce inequalities--which begin long before the first day of preschool--nothing's going to get better. Go read a Diane Ravitch book if you're honestly interested in learning more.

Diane Ravitch...what is this, 1987?

Definitely an example of a stupid American proud to wallow in ignorance. She's the forefront of the anti-privatization movement in the US, and her text Reign of Error continues to be the top text in federal education legislation on Amazon, 3 years and 414 reviews later with a 4.7 average.

That book is the gold standard for destroying every BS argument for charter schools and privatization ever created. The PP is definitely a fool, and doubtless someone who sees herself as "educated" on the issues despite eating all the anti-public school garbage she's been fed over the last decades.

[Anonymous]

Our twin sons have a mid sept bday and were born premature and we're delayed for the first couple years of life. We definitely waited and had them start K at 5 turning 6 rather than 4 turning 5.

[Anonymous]

K classes should be split up by age groups. So in one elementary school, you have the 4s, the 4.5s, the 5s, etc etc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This always makes me secretly glad for my middle of the pack January month kid.

Yeah, uh, that kid will be one of the oldest.

No, I think middle??

Yes I have an summer young one who I sent on time and I hated hearing that red shirted kids would be over a year older. With my Jan bday kid I have less of a reaction hearing about redshirted kids bc it's only 6 months older.

Re: sports, it's interesting. I read the chapter about this in one of Malcolm Gladwell's books. But at the same time, I see that the kids who are REALLY good are better than kids multiple years older than them.

I agree with the sports. You either have the gift for exceptional athleticism or you don't. That's why you hear about pros that didn't start their sport until tweets or high school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If schools don't want parents to redshirt, they need to tone down the early elementary years. Otherwise, we will continue to have kids who turn 7 in kindergarten.

"Schools" are doing this because the privatization movement (supported by both parties) has convinced the general public that the raving inequalities in our schools aren't due to poverty (which they are), but due to poor teaching. Until the public wisens up and starts working to reduce inequalities--which begin long before the first day of preschool--nothing's going to get better. Go read a Diane Ravitch book if you're honestly interested in learning more.

Diane Ravitch...what is this, 1987?

Definitely an example of a stupid American proud to wallow in ignorance. She's the forefront of the anti-privatization movement in the US, and her text Reign of Error continues to be the top text in federal education legislation on Amazon, 3 years and 414 reviews later with a 4.7 average.

That book is the gold standard for destroying every BS argument for charter schools and privatization ever created. The PP is definitely a fool, and doubtless someone who sees herself as "educated" on the issues despite eating all the anti-public school garbage she's been fed over the last decades.

Not sure what you're ranting and raving about. Red shirting is a big issue in rich white people's publc schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This always makes me secretly glad for my middle of the pack January month kid.

Yeah, uh, that kid will be one of the oldest.

No, I think middle??

Yes I have an summer young one who I sent on time and I hated hearing that red shirted kids would be over a year older. With my Jan bday kid I have less of a reaction hearing about redshirted kids bc it's only 6 months older.

Re: sports, it's interesting. I read the chapter about this in one of Malcolm Gladwell's books. But at the same time, I see that the kids who are REALLY good are better than kids multiple years older than them.

Oldest. Sorry.