Enrollment/Facilities Planning in FCPS

[Anonymous]

Why can't part of Tysons move to Langley?

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Anonymous wrote:Easiest solution for West Po is to switch Mt. Vernon into AP and keep all the kids at Mt. Vernon who are transferring out to escape IB. MV has the capacity... WP doesn't... it's not rocket science.

Great idea. FCPS could use this as an experiment and, if it has a positive impact on Mount Vernon, consider getting rid of IB at two more schools (no need for IB at both Annandale and Stuart, or at both Edison and Lee).

This would be great!

Would not work because there are more kids than transfers.

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It is good to have the Dashboard transfer numbers updated.

Fine, do both. But if FCPS got rid of IB at MV and Lee, where it's pretty much been a negative (very few successful IB diploma graduates but tons of student transfers), it might then also need to move fewer WestPo neighborhoods to Mount Vernon and fewer West Springfield neighborhoods to Lee.

There are lots of students taking IB courses, and obtains IB Certificates.

There are more students pupil placing out of Mount Vernon and Lee than there are IB diploma recipients. If they really want IB, let them go to Edison. IB costs too much to keep it at five schools in the SE part of the county.

The problem isn't IB transfers. It's capacity of two schools West Potomac and Woodson. Both need their boundaries moved and the only way that's possible is to shift the boundaries of all of the neighboring schools.

So, for West Potomac, you have Hayfield and Mount Vernon that are both way, way under capacity. It's a much easier fix to move a few elementary schools into the pyramid than to cross your fingers that IB transfers would make the numbers work. That's the easy one to fix.

Woodson is tricker. You can easily move part of Annandale back to Annadale high. But that's not enough, you would likely need to shift some capacity to Lake Braddock. To do that, you would probably need to move some of Lake Braddock neighborhoods into West Springfield. In turn, you have Lee, which is definitely under capacity. Lee, in turn, would absorb the overflow from West Springfield by taking in several neighborhood schools into that boundary. Problem solved.

Marshall is more difficult. I think looking at the westward part of the boundary, Langley makes the most sense as a destination. They could easily move one or two elementary schools into that pyramid without too much difficulty.

That basically solves the problem for the schools that will not be impacted once the new high school in the western part of the county is built.

You propose to move the most affluent neighborhoods zoned for Marshall to Langley, even though they are closer to Marshall, Madison, South Lakes and McLean than Langley? LOL.

The area around wolf trap is close enough to Langley.

No need to make Langley bigger and richer, and drive up the FARMS rate at Marshall. Better to rezone apartments in Tysons to Langley. There is no reason to keep Langley at 1.5% FARMS when Marshall is closer to 20%.

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Anonymous wrote:Easiest solution for West Po is to switch Mt. Vernon into AP and keep all the kids at Mt. Vernon who are transferring out to escape IB. MV has the capacity... WP doesn't... it's not rocket science.

Great idea. FCPS could use this as an experiment and, if it has a positive impact on Mount Vernon, consider getting rid of IB at two more schools (no need for IB at both Annandale and Stuart, or at both Edison and Lee).

This would be great!

Would not work because there are more kids than transfers.

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It is good to have the Dashboard transfer numbers updated.

Fine, do both. But if FCPS got rid of IB at MV and Lee, where it's pretty much been a negative (very few successful IB diploma graduates but tons of student transfers), it might then also need to move fewer WestPo neighborhoods to Mount Vernon and fewer West Springfield neighborhoods to Lee.

There are lots of students taking IB courses, and obtains IB Certificates.

There are more students pupil placing out of Mount Vernon and Lee than there are IB diploma recipients. If they really want IB, let them go to Edison. IB costs too much to keep it at five schools in the SE part of the county.

The problem isn't IB transfers. It's capacity of two schools West Potomac and Woodson. Both need their boundaries moved and the only way that's possible is to shift the boundaries of all of the neighboring schools.

So, for West Potomac, you have Hayfield and Mount Vernon that are both way, way under capacity. It's a much easier fix to move a few elementary schools into the pyramid than to cross your fingers that IB transfers would make the numbers work. That's the easy one to fix.

Woodson is tricker. You can easily move part of Annandale back to Annadale high. But that's not enough, you would likely need to shift some capacity to Lake Braddock. To do that, you would probably need to move some of Lake Braddock neighborhoods into West Springfield. In turn, you have Lee, which is definitely under capacity. Lee, in turn, would absorb the overflow from West Springfield by taking in several neighborhood schools into that boundary. Problem solved.

Marshall is more difficult. I think looking at the westward part of the boundary, Langley makes the most sense as a destination. They could easily move one or two elementary schools into that pyramid without too much difficulty.

That basically solves the problem for the schools that will not be impacted once the new high school in the western part of the county is built.

You propose to move the most affluent neighborhoods zoned for Marshall to Langley, even though they are closer to Marshall, Madison, South Lakes and McLean than Langley? LOL.

The area around wolf trap is close enough to Langley.

No need to make Langley bigger and richer, and drive up the FARMS rate at Marshall. Better to rezone apartments in Tysons to Langley. There is no reason to keep Langley at 1.5% FARMS when Marshall is closer to 20%.

Agreed. You could move the shereveport elementary to mclean easily too.oys right by timber Lane

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Anonymous wrote:Easiest solution for West Po is to switch Mt. Vernon into AP and keep all the kids at Mt. Vernon who are transferring out to escape IB. MV has the capacity... WP doesn't... it's not rocket science.

Great idea. FCPS could use this as an experiment and, if it has a positive impact on Mount Vernon, consider getting rid of IB at two more schools (no need for IB at both Annandale and Stuart, or at both Edison and Lee).

This would be great!

Would not work because there are more kids than transfers.

+1

It is good to have the Dashboard transfer numbers updated.

Fine, do both. But if FCPS got rid of IB at MV and Lee, where it's pretty much been a negative (very few successful IB diploma graduates but tons of student transfers), it might then also need to move fewer WestPo neighborhoods to Mount Vernon and fewer West Springfield neighborhoods to Lee.

There are lots of students taking IB courses, and obtains IB Certificates.

There are more students pupil placing out of Mount Vernon and Lee than there are IB diploma recipients. If they really want IB, let them go to Edison. IB costs too much to keep it at five schools in the SE part of the county.

The problem isn't IB transfers. It's capacity of two schools West Potomac and Woodson. Both need their boundaries moved and the only way that's possible is to shift the boundaries of all of the neighboring schools.

So, for West Potomac, you have Hayfield and Mount Vernon that are both way, way under capacity. It's a much easier fix to move a few elementary schools into the pyramid than to cross your fingers that IB transfers would make the numbers work. That's the easy one to fix.

Woodson is tricker. You can easily move part of Annandale back to Annadale high. But that's not enough, you would likely need to shift some capacity to Lake Braddock. To do that, you would probably need to move some of Lake Braddock neighborhoods into West Springfield. In turn, you have Lee, which is definitely under capacity. Lee, in turn, would absorb the overflow from West Springfield by taking in several neighborhood schools into that boundary. Problem solved.

Marshall is more difficult. I think looking at the westward part of the boundary, Langley makes the most sense as a destination. They could easily move one or two elementary schools into that pyramid without too much difficulty.

That basically solves the problem for the schools that will not be impacted once the new high school in the western part of the county is built.

You propose to move the most affluent neighborhoods zoned for Marshall to Langley, even though they are closer to Marshall, Madison, South Lakes and McLean than Langley? LOL.

The area around wolf trap is close enough to Langley.

No need to make Langley bigger and richer, and drive up the FARMS rate at Marshall. Better to rezone apartments in Tysons to Langley. There is no reason to keep Langley at 1.5% FARMS when Marshall is closer to 20%.

Agreed. You could move the shereveport elementary to mclean easily too.oys right by timber Lane

Do you mean Shrevewood?

You can't move anything to McLean without also moving part of McLean to Langley (not enough space). If Janie Strauss is serious about adding diversity at uber-rich Langley, the only practical way to do that is to move apartments in Tysons zoned for McLean and Marshall to Langley.

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Do you mean Shrevewood?

You can't move anything to McLean without also moving part of McLean to Langley (not enough space). If Janie Strauss is serious about adding diversity at uber-rich Langley, the only practical way to do that is to move apartments in Tysons zoned for McLean and Marshall to Langley.

My kids are at Shrevewood, and it's already bursting at the seams. And projected to keep growing, with no solution in sight except more trailers. Timber Lane is practically in Shrevewood's backyard, and has capacity, but that would mean moving more kids to McLean (since Timber Lane is a feeder to McLean.) Or moving Timber Lane to Marshall (which makes more sense, geographically at least), but then you need to move even more from Marshall.

[Anonymous]

Haycock should send more to Lemon Road and then more of Shrevewood could go to Haycock. This would even out FARMS rates.

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Woodson is tricker. You can easily move part of Annandale back to Annadale high. But that's not enough, you would likely need to shift some capacity to Lake Braddock. To do that, you would probably need to move some of Lake Braddock neighborhoods into West Springfield. In turn, you have Lee, which is definitely under capacity. Lee, in turn, would absorb the overflow from West Springfield by taking in several neighborhood schools into that boundary. Problem solved.

A quick hit would be to move Canterbury Woods to Lake Braddock. It's a closer school than Woodson anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Haycock should send more to Lemon Road and then more of Shrevewood could go to Haycock. This would even out FARMS rates.

Easier to move part of Shrevewood to Stenwood, which is in the same pyramid and has more capacity.

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The last time FCPS did a county-wide redistricting was in the mid-1980s. It might not be a bad time to do another one, but for the fact that it's unlikely to happen with either a caretaker or a new Superintendent.

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Anonymous wrote:Haycock should send more to Lemon Road and then more of Shrevewood could go to Haycock. This would even out FARMS rates.

Easier to move part of Shrevewood to Stenwood, which is in the same pyramid and has more capacity.

Could start with the area of Shrevewood west of Gallows (the Halstead area in Merrifield).

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I could care less whether Shrevewood is overcrowded after that principal decided to make 14 classroom AAP rooms. She needs to show that she can handle her own school before a redistricting occurs.

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Anonymous wrote:I could care less whether Shrevewood is overcrowded after that principal decided to make 14 classroom AAP rooms. She needs to show that she can handle her own school before a redistricting occurs.

Umm, there is one AAP classroom per grade for grades 3-6. So 4 classrooms total.

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Anonymous wrote:I could care less whether Shrevewood is overcrowded after that principal decided to make 14 classroom AAP rooms. She needs to show that she can handle her own school before a redistricting occurs.

Umm, there is one AAP classroom per grade for grades 3-6. So 4 classrooms total.

other schools have combination classes or bring in kids who are not AAP. She is smart enough to figure this out to benefit the FARM kids there and not the AAP kids.

[Anonymous]

I think the big point is that the county really does need to do some sort of mass redistricting we have schools that are bursting at the seams we have schools with hundreds of anti-seats it's just not efficient use of resources to be wasting the space

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Anonymous wrote:I think the big point is that the county really does need to do some sort of mass redistricting we have schools that are bursting at the seams we have schools with hundreds of anti-seats it's just not efficient use of resources to be wasting the space

One thing to keep in mind, however, is that overcrowding and under-enrollment is measured against the current "program capacity," which is lower than the "design capacity" and often reflects space that has been configured for lower-density activity and could, in many cases, be reconfigured.