Enrollment/Facilities Planning in FCPS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: I could also see moving more of South County like Mason Neck and parts of Lorton back to Hayfield. That would give south county room to absorb from Lake Braddock and Robinson, which in turn could take on some of the over capacity at Woodson. Moving parts of Annandale back would likely help Woodson as well.

Yes, please, to all of these excellent suggestions!

Heck nO! Hayfield does not need more kids coming from Lorton and Groveton. The boundaries for Hayfield already are very odd and the Lorton kids geographically belong in South County. Are you trying to turn Hayfield into another Mt. Vernon?

[Anonymous]

Easiest solution for West Po is to switch Mt. Vernon into AP and keep all the kids at Mt. Vernon who are transferring out to escape IB. MV has the capacity... WP doesn't... it's not rocket science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Easiest solution for West Po is to switch Mt. Vernon into AP and keep all the kids at Mt. Vernon who are transferring out to escape IB. MV has the capacity... WP doesn't... it's not rocket science.

Great idea. FCPS could use this as an experiment and, if it has a positive impact on Mount Vernon, consider getting rid of IB at two more schools (no need for IB at both Annandale and Stuart, or at both Edison and Lee).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Easiest solution for West Po is to switch Mt. Vernon into AP and keep all the kids at Mt. Vernon who are transferring out to escape IB. MV has the capacity... WP doesn't... it's not rocket science.

Great idea. FCPS could use this as an experiment and, if it has a positive impact on Mount Vernon, consider getting rid of IB at two more schools (no need for IB at both Annandale and Stuart, or at both Edison and Lee).

This would be great!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easiest solution for West Po is to switch Mt. Vernon into AP and keep all the kids at Mt. Vernon who are transferring out to escape IB. MV has the capacity... WP doesn't... it's not rocket science.

Great idea. FCPS could use this as an experiment and, if it has a positive impact on Mount Vernon, consider getting rid of IB at two more schools (no need for IB at both Annandale and Stuart, or at both Edison and Lee).

This would be great!

Would not work because there are more kids than transfers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easiest solution for West Po is to switch Mt. Vernon into AP and keep all the kids at Mt. Vernon who are transferring out to escape IB. MV has the capacity... WP doesn't... it's not rocket science.

Great idea. FCPS could use this as an experiment and, if it has a positive impact on Mount Vernon, consider getting rid of IB at two more schools (no need for IB at both Annandale and Stuart, or at both Edison and Lee).

This would be great!

Would not work because there are more kids than transfers.

+1

It is good to have the Dashboard transfer numbers updated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Easiest solution for West Po is to switch Mt. Vernon into AP and keep all the kids at Mt. Vernon who are transferring out to escape IB. MV has the capacity... WP doesn't... it's not rocket science.

Great idea. FCPS could use this as an experiment and, if it has a positive impact on Mount Vernon, consider getting rid of IB at two more schools (no need for IB at both Annandale and Stuart, or at both Edison and Lee).

This would be great!

Would not work because there are more kids than transfers.

+1

It is good to have the Dashboard transfer numbers updated.

Fine, do both. But if FCPS got rid of IB at MV and Lee, where it's pretty much been a negative (very few successful IB diploma graduates but tons of student transfers), it might then also need to move fewer WestPo neighborhoods to Mount Vernon and fewer West Springfield neighborhoods to Lee.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Easiest solution for West Po is to switch Mt. Vernon into AP and keep all the kids at Mt. Vernon who are transferring out to escape IB. MV has the capacity... WP doesn't... it's not rocket science.

Great idea. FCPS could use this as an experiment and, if it has a positive impact on Mount Vernon, consider getting rid of IB at two more schools (no need for IB at both Annandale and Stuart, or at both Edison and Lee).

This would be great!

Would not work because there are more kids than transfers.

+1

It is good to have the Dashboard transfer numbers updated.

Fine, do both. But if FCPS got rid of IB at MV and Lee, where it's pretty much been a negative (very few successful IB diploma graduates but tons of student transfers), it might then also need to move fewer WestPo neighborhoods to Mount Vernon and fewer West Springfield neighborhoods to Lee.

There are lots of students taking IB courses, and obtains IB Certificates.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easiest solution for West Po is to switch Mt. Vernon into AP and keep all the kids at Mt. Vernon who are transferring out to escape IB. MV has the capacity... WP doesn't... it's not rocket science.

Great idea. FCPS could use this as an experiment and, if it has a positive impact on Mount Vernon, consider getting rid of IB at two more schools (no need for IB at both Annandale and Stuart, or at both Edison and Lee).

This would be great!

Would not work because there are more kids than transfers.

+1

It is good to have the Dashboard transfer numbers updated.

Fine, do both. But if FCPS got rid of IB at MV and Lee, where it's pretty much been a negative (very few successful IB diploma graduates but tons of student transfers), it might then also need to move fewer WestPo neighborhoods to Mount Vernon and fewer West Springfield neighborhoods to Lee.

There are lots of students taking IB courses, and obtains IB Certificates.

There are more students pupil placing out of Mount Vernon and Lee than there are IB diploma recipients. If they really want IB, let them go to Edison. IB costs too much to keep it at five schools in the SE part of the county.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easiest solution for West Po is to switch Mt. Vernon into AP and keep all the kids at Mt. Vernon who are transferring out to escape IB. MV has the capacity... WP doesn't... it's not rocket science.

Great idea. FCPS could use this as an experiment and, if it has a positive impact on Mount Vernon, consider getting rid of IB at two more schools (no need for IB at both Annandale and Stuart, or at both Edison and Lee).

This would be great!

Would not work because there are more kids than transfers.

+1

It is good to have the Dashboard transfer numbers updated.

Fine, do both. But if FCPS got rid of IB at MV and Lee, where it's pretty much been a negative (very few successful IB diploma graduates but tons of student transfers), it might then also need to move fewer WestPo neighborhoods to Mount Vernon and fewer West Springfield neighborhoods to Lee.

There are lots of students taking IB courses, and obtains IB Certificates.

There are more students pupil placing out of Mount Vernon and Lee than there are IB diploma recipients. If they really want IB, let them go to Edison. IB costs too much to keep it at five schools in the SE part of the county.

The problem isn't IB transfers. It's capacity of two schools West Potomac and Woodson. Both need their boundaries moved and the only way that's possible is to shift the boundaries of all of the neighboring schools.

So, for West Potomac, you have Hayfield and Mount Vernon that are both way, way under capacity. It's a much easier fix to move a few elementary schools into the pyramid than to cross your fingers that IB transfers would make the numbers work. That's the easy one to fix.

Woodson is tricker. You can easily move part of Annandale back to Annadale high. But that's not enough, you would likely need to shift some capacity to Lake Braddock. To do that, you would probably need to move some of Lake Braddock neighborhoods into West Springfield. In turn, you have Lee, which is definitely under capacity. Lee, in turn, would absorb the overflow from West Springfield by taking in several neighborhood schools into that boundary. Problem solved.

Marshall is more difficult. I think looking at the westward part of the boundary, Langley makes the most sense as a destination. They could easily move one or two elementary schools into that pyramid without too much difficulty.

That basically solves the problem for the schools that will not be impacted once the new high school in the western part of the county is built.

[Anonymous]

Get rid of IB. It is expensive and has the unintended consequences of making boundaries more difficult.

[Anonymous]

Looking at the chart, you could also fix Stuart's capacity issues by shifting some of those elementary schools to Falls Church. You could then move a few falls church feeders to McLean. Easy stuff. But I imagine the easy part is moving the schools around to fix capacity issues. The hard part is moving several Title I schools into McLean, I imagine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the chart, you could also fix Stuart's capacity issues by shifting some of those elementary schools to Falls Church. You could then move a few falls church feeders to McLean. Easy stuff. But I imagine the easy part is moving the schools around to fix capacity issues. The hard part is moving several Title I schools into McLean, I imagine.

Yeah, that's not going to happen. All the new construction in Tysons is zoned for either Marshall or McLean. If they need to move part of Stuart to Falls Church, they could move Mason Crest and/or Woodburn from Falls Church to Annandale, and that would prompt fewer complaints than trying to move Wakefiield Forest back to Annandale.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Easiest solution for West Po is to switch Mt. Vernon into AP and keep all the kids at Mt. Vernon who are transferring out to escape IB. MV has the capacity... WP doesn't... it's not rocket science.

Great idea. FCPS could use this as an experiment and, if it has a positive impact on Mount Vernon, consider getting rid of IB at two more schools (no need for IB at both Annandale and Stuart, or at both Edison and Lee).

This would be great!

Would not work because there are more kids than transfers.

+1

It is good to have the Dashboard transfer numbers updated.

Fine, do both. But if FCPS got rid of IB at MV and Lee, where it's pretty much been a negative (very few successful IB diploma graduates but tons of student transfers), it might then also need to move fewer WestPo neighborhoods to Mount Vernon and fewer West Springfield neighborhoods to Lee.

There are lots of students taking IB courses, and obtains IB Certificates.

There are more students pupil placing out of Mount Vernon and Lee than there are IB diploma recipients. If they really want IB, let them go to Edison. IB costs too much to keep it at five schools in the SE part of the county.

The problem isn't IB transfers. It's capacity of two schools West Potomac and Woodson. Both need their boundaries moved and the only way that's possible is to shift the boundaries of all of the neighboring schools.

So, for West Potomac, you have Hayfield and Mount Vernon that are both way, way under capacity. It's a much easier fix to move a few elementary schools into the pyramid than to cross your fingers that IB transfers would make the numbers work. That's the easy one to fix.

Woodson is tricker. You can easily move part of Annandale back to Annadale high. But that's not enough, you would likely need to shift some capacity to Lake Braddock. To do that, you would probably need to move some of Lake Braddock neighborhoods into West Springfield. In turn, you have Lee, which is definitely under capacity. Lee, in turn, would absorb the overflow from West Springfield by taking in several neighborhood schools into that boundary. Problem solved.

Marshall is more difficult. I think looking at the westward part of the boundary, Langley makes the most sense as a destination. They could easily move one or two elementary schools into that pyramid without too much difficulty.

That basically solves the problem for the schools that will not be impacted once the new high school in the western part of the county is built.

You propose to move the most affluent neighborhoods zoned for Marshall to Langley, even though they are closer to Marshall, Madison, South Lakes and McLean than Langley? LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:Easiest solution for West Po is to switch Mt. Vernon into AP and keep all the kids at Mt. Vernon who are transferring out to escape IB. MV has the capacity... WP doesn't... it's not rocket science.

Great idea. FCPS could use this as an experiment and, if it has a positive impact on Mount Vernon, consider getting rid of IB at two more schools (no need for IB at both Annandale and Stuart, or at both Edison and Lee).

This would be great!

Would not work because there are more kids than transfers.

+1

It is good to have the Dashboard transfer numbers updated.

Fine, do both. But if FCPS got rid of IB at MV and Lee, where it's pretty much been a negative (very few successful IB diploma graduates but tons of student transfers), it might then also need to move fewer WestPo neighborhoods to Mount Vernon and fewer West Springfield neighborhoods to Lee.

There are lots of students taking IB courses, and obtains IB Certificates.

There are more students pupil placing out of Mount Vernon and Lee than there are IB diploma recipients. If they really want IB, let them go to Edison. IB costs too much to keep it at five schools in the SE part of the county.

The problem isn't IB transfers. It's capacity of two schools West Potomac and Woodson. Both need their boundaries moved and the only way that's possible is to shift the boundaries of all of the neighboring schools.

So, for West Potomac, you have Hayfield and Mount Vernon that are both way, way under capacity. It's a much easier fix to move a few elementary schools into the pyramid than to cross your fingers that IB transfers would make the numbers work. That's the easy one to fix.

Woodson is tricker. You can easily move part of Annandale back to Annadale high. But that's not enough, you would likely need to shift some capacity to Lake Braddock. To do that, you would probably need to move some of Lake Braddock neighborhoods into West Springfield. In turn, you have Lee, which is definitely under capacity. Lee, in turn, would absorb the overflow from West Springfield by taking in several neighborhood schools into that boundary. Problem solved.

Marshall is more difficult. I think looking at the westward part of the boundary, Langley makes the most sense as a destination. They could easily move one or two elementary schools into that pyramid without too much difficulty.

That basically solves the problem for the schools that will not be impacted once the new high school in the western part of the county is built.

You propose to move the most affluent neighborhoods zoned for Marshall to Langley, even though they are closer to Marshall, Madison, South Lakes and McLean than Langley? LOL.

The area around wolf trap is close enough to Langley.