How does a 'safety" school turn into a highly regarded one?

[Anonymous]

Is Seaton still considered a safety?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

One of those reasons: JKLM (and Stoddert) parents squatting in EOTP schools until they get by-right entry to K. Let's just stop that.


Oh, you just stop that. You know full well that Ward 3 parents are a tiny fraction of the churn. The vast majority are EOTP parents who play the lottery again and again until they get into one of the few highly regarded schools, and if not, they move. Very few plan on staying at their IB school beyond PreK, unless it happens to be one of the few desirable ones.

+1

For one, we can afford to actually pay for one of our many excellent neighborhood nursery schools. I can't think of a single household in which the parents said, You know what? Let's drive from 39th and Fessenden over to Woodridge every day, twice a day, and then back to our jobs at Farragut North so we can save the $10K we'd spend on PS3.

It's quite a bit more than $10K/year to get the full-time preschool that public PK is, which makes it even more outrageous for the PP to suggest that the few families WOTP who may actually lottery for PK3 should be ineligible for doing so just because they have a guaranteed good option starting in K. Even so, you are right that they are so rare as to not have any impact on the "improvement" or lack thereof of EOTP schools, which is entirely driven by the lottery carousel in which most EOTP parents participate. The only WOTP family I have ever met who sent their kid to PK3 EOTP was at Appletree. I bet the actual data, if anyone has it, would support this anecdotal impression that it's a non-factor. It's a myth fueled by resentment against WOTP families.

We will gladly GTFO your pk3 programs over yonder, as soon as Ward 3 is granted the boon of One. SINGLE. DCPS pk3 class, or charter school (at any grade). You cannot, in the meantime, tell us to go back to Ward 3 when there is no there there. If we had these programs in our neighborhoods, we would not invade the ones in yours.

Um, Hyde-Addison? Even I know that and I'm an EOTP resident.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

One of those reasons: JKLM (and Stoddert) parents squatting in EOTP schools until they get by-right entry to K. Let's just stop that.


Oh, you just stop that. You know full well that Ward 3 parents are a tiny fraction of the churn. The vast majority are EOTP parents who play the lottery again and again until they get into one of the few highly regarded schools, and if not, they move. Very few plan on staying at their IB school beyond PreK, unless it happens to be one of the few desirable ones.

+1

For one, we can afford to actually pay for one of our many excellent neighborhood nursery schools. I can't think of a single household in which the parents said, You know what? Let's drive from 39th and Fessenden over to Woodridge every day, twice a day, and then back to our jobs at Farragut North so we can save the $10K we'd spend on PS3.

It's quite a bit more than $10K/year to get the full-time preschool that public PK is, which makes it even more outrageous for the PP to suggest that the few families WOTP who may actually lottery for PK3 should be ineligible for doing so just because they have a guaranteed good option starting in K. Even so, you are right that they are so rare as to not have any impact on the "improvement" or lack thereof of EOTP schools, which is entirely driven by the lottery carousel in which most EOTP parents participate. The only WOTP family I have ever met who sent their kid to PK3 EOTP was at Appletree. I bet the actual data, if anyone has it, would support this anecdotal impression that it's a non-factor. It's a myth fueled by resentment against WOTP families.

We will gladly GTFO your pk3 programs over yonder, as soon as Ward 3 is granted the boon of One. SINGLE. DCPS pk3 class, or charter school (at any grade). You cannot, in the meantime, tell us to go back to Ward 3 when there is no there there. If we had these programs in our neighborhoods, we would not invade the ones in yours.

Um, Hyde-Addison? Even I know that and I'm an EOTP resident.

P.S. I know it's not in Ward 3, but since the larger convo was about WOTP families using EOTP schools, just thought I'd point this out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of the churn is innocent. People move, people leave town, and when people move to the suburbs for a better school they may be moving a preschooler as a younger sibling. But it is a problem.

But people changing schools for a better opportunity are guilty. LMAO.

It isn't a matter of guilt. It's a matter of attitude. Everyone in this town is out for themselves, and damn anyone else. There's so little forethought. So little patience, so little understanding of actual education and its process. I've seen this issue cross all class and cultural levels. Almost everyone I know in any DC school, be it public, charter, HRCS, WOTP, whatever--isn't thrilled, and would jump ship tomorrow, given the chance. Maybe I just know the wrong people. But as long as this attitude prevails, there will be no solid PTAs, no effective fundraising, no momentum in improving the lot of all children, not just one's own. It is a real issue here, and one I think pretty unique to DC. Maybe it's the transient nature of the town, maybe it's the crazy real estate, maybe it's that so many insufferable, nervous type A families move here. I don't know.

But it's a real problem, as I said. We try. I know a few neighbors who try. But it often feels like spitting in the wind, and this really wasn't true in our old city, in our old gentrifying neighborhood. There, we had a feeling of community. Here, I have a feeling like everyone is underlining passages of the Fountainhead, even though they'd never admit to reading such a piece of jingoistic trash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was reading another thread about what choose if you don't get into your desired school. There are several 'safety schools I see -Burroughs, Langley, Langdon, Sela, Bancroft, Garrison, JO Wilson, Takoma, etc.

Question 1 - What are the safety schools?

Question 2 - How do they become Highly Regarded/ Desired?

Answer. Add more white people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think some of the churn is innocent. People move, people leave town, and when people move to the suburbs for a better school they may be moving a preschooler as a younger sibling. But it is a problem.

But people changing schools for a better opportunity are guilty. LMAO.

It isn't a matter of guilt. It's a matter of attitude. Everyone in this town is out for themselves, and damn anyone else. There's so little forethought. So little patience, so little understanding of actual education and its process. I've seen this issue cross all class and cultural levels. Almost everyone I know in any DC school, be it public, charter, HRCS, WOTP, whatever--isn't thrilled, and would jump ship tomorrow, given the chance. Maybe I just know the wrong people. But as long as this attitude prevails, there will be no solid PTAs, no effective fundraising, no momentum in improving the lot of all children, not just one's own. It is a real issue here, and one I think pretty unique to DC. Maybe it's the transient nature of the town, maybe it's the crazy real estate, maybe it's that so many insufferable, nervous type A families move here. I don't know.

But it's a real problem, as I said. We try. I know a few neighbors who try. But it often feels like spitting in the wind, and this really wasn't true in our old city, in our old gentrifying neighborhood. There, we had a feeling of community. Here, I have a feeling like everyone is underlining passages of the Fountainhead, even though they'd never admit to reading such a piece of jingoistic trash.

I appreciated this post. I think ppl are going crazy due to income inequality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think some of the churn is innocent. People move, people leave town, and when people move to the suburbs for a better school they may be moving a preschooler as a younger sibling. But it is a problem.

But people changing schools for a better opportunity are guilty. LMAO.

It isn't a matter of guilt. It's a matter of attitude. Everyone in this town is out for themselves, and damn anyone else. There's so little forethought. So little patience, so little understanding of actual education and its process. I've seen this issue cross all class and cultural levels. Almost everyone I know in any DC school, be it public, charter, HRCS, WOTP, whatever--isn't thrilled, and would jump ship tomorrow, given the chance. Maybe I just know the wrong people. But as long as this attitude prevails, there will be no solid PTAs, no effective fundraising, no momentum in improving the lot of all children, not just one's own. It is a real issue here, and one I think pretty unique to DC. Maybe it's the transient nature of the town, maybe it's the crazy real estate, maybe it's that so many insufferable, nervous type A families move here. I don't know.

But it's a real problem, as I said. We try. I know a few neighbors who try. But it often feels like spitting in the wind, and this really wasn't true in our old city, in our old gentrifying neighborhood. There, we had a feeling of community. Here, I have a feeling like everyone is underlining passages of the Fountainhead, even though they'd never admit to reading such a piece of jingoistic trash.

I appreciated this post. I think ppl are going crazy due to income inequality.

Maybe. As far as I can tell, there are two ways to make money in this town:

Way #1: Fat government contracts
Way#2: Hustle your ass off selling something, be it lobbying PR, real estate, or Rodian Fields

Neither way creates happy, stable families, who love their lives and their jobs.

[Anonymous]

Almost everyone I know in any DC school, be it public, charter, HRCS, WOTP, whatever--isn't thrilled, and would jump ship tomorrow, given the chance.

OMG WITH THE 'WOTP' thing again, as if it's interchangeable with Noyes and DC Bilingual.

If you actually knew someone whose kids went to Murch or Janney -- and it's clear you don't really, you just barfed out a list of words to make some point -- you would know that there are 0.03% of the student body at these types of "WOTP" schools who "would jump ship tomorrow."

where the eff are these allegedly disgruntled Chevy Chase residents going to "jump ship" TO? Mundo Verde, you think?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is Seaton still considered a safety?

No. Some OOB kids got in this year, but not very many. So you really can't count on getting in. Noyes is a safety.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Almost everyone I know in any DC school, be it public, charter, HRCS, WOTP, whatever--isn't thrilled, and would jump ship tomorrow, given the chance.

OMG WITH THE 'WOTP' thing again, as if it's interchangeable with Noyes and DC Bilingual.

If you actually knew someone whose kids went to Murch or Janney -- and it's clear you don't really, you just barfed out a list of words to make some point -- you would know that there are 0.03% of the student body at these types of "WOTP" schools who "would jump ship tomorrow."

where the eff are these allegedly disgruntled Chevy Chase residents going to "jump ship" TO? Mundo Verde, you think?

Private, like our neighbors did after a year at Deal.

Why are you such a raging douche, that you have to discredit someone else's experience? Class insecurity? Dropped on the head as a child? A bad upbringing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Almost everyone I know in any DC school, be it public, charter, HRCS, WOTP, whatever--isn't thrilled, and would jump ship tomorrow, given the chance.

OMG WITH THE 'WOTP' thing again, as if it's interchangeable with Noyes and DC Bilingual.

If you actually knew someone whose kids went to Murch or Janney -- and it's clear you don't really, you just barfed out a list of words to make some point -- you would know that there are 0.03% of the student body at these types of "WOTP" schools who "would jump ship tomorrow."

where the eff are these allegedly disgruntled Chevy Chase residents going to "jump ship" TO? Mundo Verde, you think?

DP, but I'm assuming private or moving across Western Ave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Almost everyone I know in any DC school, be it public, charter, HRCS, WOTP, whatever--isn't thrilled, and would jump ship tomorrow, given the chance.

OMG WITH THE 'WOTP' thing again, as if it's interchangeable with Noyes and DC Bilingual.

If you actually knew someone whose kids went to Murch or Janney -- and it's clear you don't really, you just barfed out a list of words to make some point -- you would know that there are 0.03% of the student body at these types of "WOTP" schools who "would jump ship tomorrow."

where the eff are these allegedly disgruntled Chevy Chase residents going to "jump ship" TO? Mundo Verde, you think?

Yep. One of the bigger loads of horseshit I've ever read on this board. In addition to WOTP schools, I know many families ecstatic about their charter schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Almost everyone I know in any DC school, be it public, charter, HRCS, WOTP, whatever--isn't thrilled, and would jump ship tomorrow, given the chance.

OMG WITH THE 'WOTP' thing again, as if it's interchangeable with Noyes and DC Bilingual.

If you actually knew someone whose kids went to Murch or Janney -- and it's clear you don't really, you just barfed out a list of words to make some point -- you would know that there are 0.03% of the student body at these types of "WOTP" schools who "would jump ship tomorrow."

where the eff are these allegedly disgruntled Chevy Chase residents going to "jump ship" TO? Mundo Verde, you think?

Yep. One of the bigger loads of horseshit I've ever read on this board. In addition to WOTP schools, I know many families ecstatic about their charter schools.

With three year olds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

One of those reasons: JKLM (and Stoddert) parents squatting in EOTP schools until they get by-right entry to K. Let's just stop that.


Oh, you just stop that. You know full well that Ward 3 parents are a tiny fraction of the churn. The vast majority are EOTP parents who play the lottery again and again until they get into one of the few highly regarded schools, and if not, they move. Very few plan on staying at their IB school beyond PreK, unless it happens to be one of the few desirable ones.

+1

For one, we can afford to actually pay for one of our many excellent neighborhood nursery schools. I can't think of a single household in which the parents said, You know what? Let's drive from 39th and Fessenden over to Woodridge every day, twice a day, and then back to our jobs at Farragut North so we can save the $10K we'd spend on PS3.

We've certainly seen a ton at SWW Francis-Stevens. They make up at least 1/4 of the PK cohorts.

Well, good for them. I live in Petworth but I'd like to defend he WOtP families. They get he least public service for their education tax dollars. Those schools don't even offer PS3 and some of them offer P4 that only serves a small portion of the IB need. Stoddert, because of space limitations, offers one PK class hat doesn't even accommodate all the siblings of existing students. On average there are 60-80 IB kids who apply for aPK spot each year. So if they look elsewhere for a tax-funded spot I for one cannot blame them. The churn is a problem the city created, not the families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Almost everyone I know in any DC school, be it public, charter, HRCS, WOTP, whatever--isn't thrilled, and would jump ship tomorrow, given the chance.

OMG WITH THE 'WOTP' thing again, as if it's interchangeable with Noyes and DC Bilingual.

If you actually knew someone whose kids went to Murch or Janney -- and it's clear you don't really, you just barfed out a list of words to make some point -- you would know that there are 0.03% of the student body at these types of "WOTP" schools who "would jump ship tomorrow."

where the eff are these allegedly disgruntled Chevy Chase residents going to "jump ship" TO? Mundo Verde, you think?

Yep. One of the bigger loads of horseshit I've ever read on this board. In addition to WOTP schools, I know many families ecstatic about their charter schools.

With three year olds.

Wrong. We are in 4th at a charter and love it. Haven't played lottery in 5 years. Also have many friends that haven't played lottery in some time at EOTP DCPS and other charters. Try not to speak for others and get some more friends.