6th Gr DS on "Weird" MS Girls

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Middle school teacher. If I had a dollar for every penis doodle I found this year, I wouldn't have to be worried about paying my bills anymore. Boys and girls alike are obsessed with penis drawings in middle school.

Curious why they don't draw more vaginas. I think we need more vagina drawings. Just taught my kids old school (.) (.) calculator fun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Middle school teacher. If I had a dollar for every penis doodle I found this year, I wouldn't have to be worried about paying my bills anymore. Boys and girls alike are obsessed with penis drawings in middle school.

Curious why they don't draw more vaginas. I think we need more vagina drawings. Just taught my kids old school (.) (.) calculator fun.

How do you draw a vagina? I know how to draw a vulva...

And just thinking, when I was 12 with a GF of similar age, I remember drawing what I thought was a penis going into a vagina. Given that I had never seen the female anatomy, it was not accurate.

Penises are easier to draw than Vaginas. Easier to measure too.

[Anonymous]

So OP's son has already learned to manspread, huh? Starts early.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The double standard is astounding. Not one wants to admit that girls can be more sexually curious/aggressive and that it makes some of the more naive/immature boys uncomfortable. If it were boys drawing pictures of vaginas, everyone would have a fit and demand the boys be expelled or something. And the "close your legs" comment - of course that HAS to be the boy's fault for taking up the aisle? It couldn't possibly be a sweet innocent girl being inappropriately sexual, right? Gross. I do honestly feel sorry for boys in this day and age. And I'm a mom of both sexes, by the way.

+1000
I'm the mom of boys and girls too. Such a double standard here. The posters saying, "Oh, this is just such normal behavior," would be outraged if a boy was doing this. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so idiotic.

I am one of the posters who said this seems normal for girls because they are so overtly sexually aggressive compared to boys at that age.

Even if I see this as unfortunately normal, I think it a travesty that society has created a situation where girls acting in degrading and even dangerously sexual ways is "normal" and empowering. They lose big time.

It is just as unfortunate that there is such a double standards for boys. For example, that girl in Florida who invited 20 or so boys to have sex with her in the school bathroom and videotape it? The boys are being punished, including one that was arrested. She is not even though it was her idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The double standard is astounding. Not one wants to admit that girls can be more sexually curious/aggressive and that it makes some of the more naive/immature boys uncomfortable. If it were boys drawing pictures of vaginas, everyone would have a fit and demand the boys be expelled or something. And the "close your legs" comment - of course that HAS to be the boy's fault for taking up the aisle? It couldn't possibly be a sweet innocent girl being inappropriately sexual, right? Gross. I do honestly feel sorry for boys in this day and age. And I'm a mom of both sexes, by the way.

+1000
I'm the mom of boys and girls too. Such a double standard here. The posters saying, "Oh, this is just such normal behavior," would be outraged if a boy was doing this. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so idiotic.

I am one of the posters who said this seems normal for girls because they are so overtly sexually aggressive compared to boys at that age.

Even if I see this as unfortunately normal, I think it a travesty that society has created a situation where girls acting in degrading and even dangerously sexual ways is "normal" and empowering. They lose big time.

It is just as unfortunate that there is such a double standards for boys. For example, that girl in Florida who invited 20 or so boys to have sex with her in the school bathroom and videotape it? The boys are being punished, including one that was arrested. She is not even though it was her idea.

You mean the girl who was a former victim of sexual trafficking and invited one boy into the bathroom with her initially but the rest showed up and she didn't resist? Really poor example.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The double standard is astounding. Not one wants to admit that girls can be more sexually curious/aggressive and that it makes some of the more naive/immature boys uncomfortable. If it were boys drawing pictures of vaginas, everyone would have a fit and demand the boys be expelled or something. And the "close your legs" comment - of course that HAS to be the boy's fault for taking up the aisle? It couldn't possibly be a sweet innocent girl being inappropriately sexual, right? Gross. I do honestly feel sorry for boys in this day and age. And I'm a mom of both sexes, by the way.

+1000
I'm the mom of boys and girls too. Such a double standard here. The posters saying, "Oh, this is just such normal behavior," would be outraged if a boy was doing this. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so idiotic.

I am one of the posters who said this seems normal for girls because they are so overtly sexually aggressive compared to boys at that age.

Even if I see this as unfortunately normal, I think it a travesty that society has created a situation where girls acting in degrading and even dangerously sexual ways is "normal" and empowering. They lose big time.

It is just as unfortunate that there is such a double standards for boys. For example, that girl in Florida who invited 20 or so boys to have sex with her in the school bathroom and videotape it? The boys are being punished, including one that was arrested. She is not even though it was her idea.

Couldn't agree more, with every word. Why isn't she also being punished for her incredibly inappropriate behavior - just as the boys are? Such a disgusting double standard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The double standard is astounding. Not one wants to admit that girls can be more sexually curious/aggressive and that it makes some of the more naive/immature boys uncomfortable. If it were boys drawing pictures of vaginas, everyone would have a fit and demand the boys be expelled or something. And the "close your legs" comment - of course that HAS to be the boy's fault for taking up the aisle? It couldn't possibly be a sweet innocent girl being inappropriately sexual, right? Gross. I do honestly feel sorry for boys in this day and age. And I'm a mom of both sexes, by the way.

+1000
I'm the mom of boys and girls too. Such a double standard here. The posters saying, "Oh, this is just such normal behavior," would be outraged if a boy was doing this. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so idiotic.

I am one of the posters who said this seems normal for girls because they are so overtly sexually aggressive compared to boys at that age.

Even if I see this as unfortunately normal, I think it a travesty that society has created a situation where girls acting in degrading and even dangerously sexual ways is "normal" and empowering. They lose big time.

It is just as unfortunate that there is such a double standards for boys. For example, that girl in Florida who invited 20 or so boys to have sex with her in the school bathroom and videotape it? The boys are being punished, including one that was arrested. She is not even though it was her idea.

You mean the girl who was a former victim of sexual trafficking and invited one boy into the bathroom with her initially but the rest showed up and she didn't resist? Really poor example.

No.

She invited all of them.

All.of them need therapy. What she initiated and they all chose to do is not healthy, normal behavior from any of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The double standard is astounding. Not one wants to admit that girls can be more sexually curious/aggressive and that it makes some of the more naive/immature boys uncomfortable. If it were boys drawing pictures of vaginas, everyone would have a fit and demand the boys be expelled or something. And the "close your legs" comment - of course that HAS to be the boy's fault for taking up the aisle? It couldn't possibly be a sweet innocent girl being inappropriately sexual, right? Gross. I do honestly feel sorry for boys in this day and age. And I'm a mom of both sexes, by the way.

+1000
I'm the mom of boys and girls too. Such a double standard here. The posters saying, "Oh, this is just such normal behavior," would be outraged if a boy was doing this. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so idiotic.

I am one of the posters who said this seems normal for girls because they are so overtly sexually aggressive compared to boys at that age.

Even if I see this as unfortunately normal, I think it a travesty that society has created a situation where girls acting in degrading and even dangerously sexual ways is "normal" and empowering. They lose big time.

It is just as unfortunate that there is such a double standards for boys. For example, that girl in Florida who invited 20 or so boys to have sex with her in the school bathroom and videotape it? The boys are being punished, including one that was arrested. She is not even though it was her idea.

You mean the girl who was a former victim of sexual trafficking and invited one boy into the bathroom with her initially but the rest showed up and she didn't resist? Really poor example.

No.

She invited all of them.

All.of them need therapy. What she initiated and they all chose to do is not healthy, normal behavior from any of them.

That's incorrect.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/27/filmed-having-sex-with-boys-in-school-bathroom-the-disturbing-story-of-a-fla-human-trafficking-survivor/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DS shared with me two incidents of "weird" girl behavior at school: 1) he saw one girl drew a stick figure with a giant penis on a note pad, and the girl told him another girl (her BBF) did it too; and 2) while he's sitting at his desk a girl out of the blue told him to close his legs (he's wearing pants that day). I told him they have issues and keep distance, but I think this is NOT normal at all for 12/13 yos and is toxic for boy-girl relationship. What else do I do? Thx!

Normal. Nothing to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS shared with me two incidents of "weird" girl behavior at school: 1) he saw one girl drew a stick figure with a giant penis on a note pad, and the girl told him another girl (her BBF) did it too; and 2) while he's sitting at his desk a girl out of the blue told him to close his legs (he's wearing pants that day). I told him they have issues and keep distance, but I think this is NOT normal at all for 12/13 yos and is toxic for boy-girl relationship. What else do I do? Thx!

Normal. Nothing to do.

So you're saying it would also be "normal" for boys of that age to be drawing pictures of female anatomy? And telling a girl to close her legs - for whatever reason?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS shared with me two incidents of "weird" girl behavior at school: 1) he saw one girl drew a stick figure with a giant penis on a note pad, and the girl told him another girl (her BBF) did it too; and 2) while he's sitting at his desk a girl out of the blue told him to close his legs (he's wearing pants that day). I told him they have issues and keep distance, but I think this is NOT normal at all for 12/13 yos and is toxic for boy-girl relationship. What else do I do? Thx!

Normal. Nothing to do.

So you're saying it would also be "normal" for boys of that age to be drawing pictures of female anatomy? And telling a girl to close her legs - for whatever reason?

Yes, the drawings would be just as normal if done by boys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS shared with me two incidents of "weird" girl behavior at school: 1) he saw one girl drew a stick figure with a giant penis on a note pad, and the girl told him another girl (her BBF) did it too; and 2) while he's sitting at his desk a girl out of the blue told him to close his legs (he's wearing pants that day). I told him they have issues and keep distance, but I think this is NOT normal at all for 12/13 yos and is toxic for boy-girl relationship. What else do I do? Thx!

Normal. Nothing to do.

So you're saying it would also be "normal" for boys of that age to be drawing pictures of female anatomy? And telling a girl to close her legs - for whatever reason?

Middle school teacher again.

Yes, that is normal too. I find plenty of stick figures with giant boobs drawn on various surfaces. Boys and girls both make sexual comments back and forth. Their favorite game is to say some sexual innuendo, and then when I reprimand them they'll say, "Ooh, you thought that was sexual? Your mind is so dirty!!"

Hint: never use the variable "d" in math class. Factoring d^2+3d becomes d(d+3), so kids love to shout "pull out the d!" When you show them d^2 is dd, they'll all giggle about how they loooove double d's. And always solve all example problems ahead of time. God forbid the solution is "69". If it is, I've lost the entire class to a fit of giggles for at least a few minutes.

Middle school is a special place. My first year teaching my face was a permanent shade of red.

[Anonymous]

Teacher again. Just to clarify, normal =/= appropriate. I will still call out the kids on their inappropriate comments and write referrals or call home if it is really bad, but it is ubiquitous. Even the "good" kids make penis jokes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree that the doodling, in and of itself, is not a big deal. However, I wonder if those of you responding would be quite so relaxed about the situation if it was a boy drawing female anatomy and saying things like, "Close your legs," to a girl. Somehow I think there's a major double-standard at play here. If a boy were the one doing this, there would be a pages-long debate, accusing him of horrible intentions, being some kind of deviant, and insisting he be punished, reprimanded, you name it.

Why is it perfectly "normal" for a girl to behave like this, but a boy would be vilified if caught doing the exact same things?

I'm the mother of a boy and a girl. My son is a year and a half older, but emotionally they are peers. I agree with you 100%, this a double standard. I would not be happy with a boy showing my daughter vagina drawings and telling her to close her legs. The situation you describe would make my son (who is outgoing) uncomfortable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree that the doodling, in and of itself, is not a big deal. However, I wonder if those of you responding would be quite so relaxed about the situation if it was a boy drawing female anatomy and saying things like, "Close your legs," to a girl. Somehow I think there's a major double-standard at play here. If a boy were the one doing this, there would be a pages-long debate, accusing him of horrible intentions, being some kind of deviant, and insisting he be punished, reprimanded, you name it.

Why is it perfectly "normal" for a girl to behave like this, but a boy would be vilified if caught doing the exact same things?

I'm the mother of a boy and a girl. My son is a year and a half older, but emotionally they are peers. I agree with you 100%, this a double standard. I would not be happy with a boy showing my daughter vagina drawings and telling her to close her legs. The situation you describe would make my son (who is outgoing) uncomfortable.

Completely agree, with both PPs.