Waitlist Movement Data Now Available

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These data are great, but they don't tell you how far down the list they went. Some people may have gotten into a higher-ranked school and dropped off of the other waitlists. So, e.g., it shows that Hearst only made 4 offers from their waitlist for PK4 last year, but they surely went beyond spot 4 -- I know someone in the top 4 initially who got into a better ranked school and was then removed from the Hearst waitlist, so they never got a call.

Sure it does -

IF it says 20 seats were offered in the lottery and the wait list info said they went to 36, that means that 16 of those people turned it down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These data are great, but they don't tell you how far down the list they went. Some people may have gotten into a higher-ranked school and dropped off of the other waitlists. So, e.g., it shows that Hearst only made 4 offers from their waitlist for PK4 last year, but they surely went beyond spot 4 -- I know someone in the top 4 initially who got into a better ranked school and was then removed from the Hearst waitlist, so they never got a call.

Sure it does -

IF it says 20 seats were offered in the lottery and the wait list info said they went to 36, that means that 16 of those people turned it down.

What do you mean "the wait list info said they went to __"? I only see "Number of waitlist offers made to round 1 applicants" by date, nothing else. Also, they may have made other offers to round 2 or post-lottery applicants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These data are great, but they don't tell you how far down the list they went. Some people may have gotten into a higher-ranked school and dropped off of the other waitlists. So, e.g., it shows that Hearst only made 4 offers from their waitlist for PK4 last year, but they surely went beyond spot 4 -- I know someone in the top 4 initially who got into a better ranked school and was then removed from the Hearst waitlist, so they never got a call.

Sure it does -

IF it says 20 seats were offered in the lottery and the wait list info said they went to 36, that means that 16 of those people turned it down.

What do you mean "the wait list info said they went to __"? I only see "Number of waitlist offers made to round 1 applicants" by date, nothing else. Also, they may have made other offers to round 2 or post-lottery applicants.

It is two separate tables - the number of waitlist offers are the additional number of offers made on top of those that were matched in the lottery. I don't think they should be added together.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These data are great, but they don't tell you how far down the list they went. Some people may have gotten into a higher-ranked school and dropped off of the other waitlists. So, e.g., it shows that Hearst only made 4 offers from their waitlist for PK4 last year, but they surely went beyond spot 4 -- I know someone in the top 4 initially who got into a better ranked school and was then removed from the Hearst waitlist, so they never got a call.

Sure it does -

IF it says 20 seats were offered in the lottery and the wait list info said they went to 36, that means that 16 of those people turned it down.

What do you mean "the wait list info said they went to __"? I only see "Number of waitlist offers made to round 1 applicants" by date, nothing else. Also, they may have made other offers to round 2 or post-lottery applicants.

It is two separate tables - the number of waitlist offers are the additional number of offers made on top of those that were matched in the lottery. I don't think they should be added together.

I agree that the two numbers should not be added together. 20 seats were initially matched, but not everyone took them so they had to go through an additional 36 people to fill them...

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Anonymous wrote:These data are great, but they don't tell you how far down the list they went. Some people may have gotten into a higher-ranked school and dropped off of the other waitlists. So, e.g., it shows that Hearst only made 4 offers from their waitlist for PK4 last year, but they surely went beyond spot 4 -- I know someone in the top 4 initially who got into a better ranked school and was then removed from the Hearst waitlist, so they never got a call.

Sure it does -

IF it says 20 seats were offered in the lottery and the wait list info said they went to 36, that means that 16 of those people turned it down.

What do you mean "the wait list info said they went to __"? I only see "Number of waitlist offers made to round 1 applicants" by date, nothing else. Also, they may have made other offers to round 2 or post-lottery applicants.

It is two separate tables - the number of waitlist offers are the additional number of offers made on top of those that were matched in the lottery. I don't think they should be added together.

I agree that the two numbers should not be added together. 20 seats were initially matched, but not everyone took them so they had to go through an additional 36 people to fill them...

I only see the # of initial offers made (through the lottery) and then the # of waitlist offers made through round 1 applicants. To the extent that people were taken off waitlists because they were matched with higher-ranked schools, that does not tell you how far down the waitlist they went. Also, it doesn't tell you how many round 2 offers and post-lottery applicant offers were made. To the extent that those people have preferences, they may have received offers over round 1 waitlisted people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These data are great, but they don't tell you how far down the list they went. Some people may have gotten into a higher-ranked school and dropped off of the other waitlists. So, e.g., it shows that Hearst only made 4 offers from their waitlist for PK4 last year, but they surely went beyond spot 4 -- I know someone in the top 4 initially who got into a better ranked school and was then removed from the Hearst waitlist, so they never got a call.

You can look at the original post round 1 waitlist and make some educated guesses as to who got the offers. True, it doesn't account for people who got off the list of a school they ranked higher prior to the offer from the school in question, but you can at least see if the offers went beyond siblings, IB ECE kids etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These data are great, but they don't tell you how far down the list they went. Some people may have gotten into a higher-ranked school and dropped off of the other waitlists. So, e.g., it shows that Hearst only made 4 offers from their waitlist for PK4 last year, but they surely went beyond spot 4 -- I know someone in the top 4 initially who got into a better ranked school and was then removed from the Hearst waitlist, so they never got a call.

You can look at the original post round 1 waitlist and make some educated guesses as to who got the offers. True, it doesn't account for people who got off the list of a school they ranked higher prior to the offer from the school in question, but you can at least see if the offers went beyond siblings, IB ECE kids etc.

Agree, but I would prefer to know the original waitlist # of the person admitted than the # of offers they made.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These data are great, but they don't tell you how far down the list they went. Some people may have gotten into a higher-ranked school and dropped off of the other waitlists. So, e.g., it shows that Hearst only made 4 offers from their waitlist for PK4 last year, but they surely went beyond spot 4 -- I know someone in the top 4 initially who got into a better ranked school and was then removed from the Hearst waitlist, so they never got a call.

You can look at the original post round 1 waitlist and make some educated guesses as to who got the offers. True, it doesn't account for people who got off the list of a school they ranked higher prior to the offer from the school in question, but you can at least see if the offers went beyond siblings, IB ECE kids etc.

Agree, but I would prefer to know the original waitlist # of the person admitted than the # of offers they made.

I think they are probably considering # of offers and waitlist #s as one and the same thing. That's what I got from the "how to use this table explanation:

"Let’s say you have received your lottery results and your student is Waitlist #10 for 2nd Grade at Achievement Prep PCS. You can use the filters to select Achievement Prep PCS and 2nd Grade to see that Achievement Prep PCS made 18 offers by June for school year 15-16. While this does not mean you will definitely receive an offer for this year, you can see that someone with Waitlist #10 last year did receive an offer"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Random thoughts on the data (middle school edition).

Surprised by number of seats DCI ended up offering to wait list given perception that it is fully subscriber with feeder students.

BASIS seemed to not have taken students from WL past 9/1 contrary to what's been said here often.

WL list really doesn't move much - confirming rumors here. Hard to move much when there are only 90 seats to begin with.

It will be interesting to see what happens this year with so many more middle school kids on waitlists. We didn't match anywhere but have a couple of promising waitlist numbers based on past data, even though our overall lottery number seems to he on the higher end.

As for DCI, I think they will go less into their waitlists this year as they are now up to 4 grades and still in the incubator space.

[Anonymous]

So let's take Basis for example. The 2015-16 data for 5th grade shows that 170 spots were made available for the lottery. I assume that to mean that the first 170 students on their lottery list received an offer to enroll.

Then, when looking at the waitlist table it shows that 20 waitlist offers were made by June and remained at 20 through October. Does that mean that by June, the Basis 5th grade class was final?

And additional question for someone in the know...did Basis offer 170 lottery spots because they had 170 spots to offer or do they do what airlines do and overbook, knowing that statistically a few will not enroll? What was the size of the incoming 5th grade last school year? Anyone know?

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Anonymous wrote:These data are great, but they don't tell you how far down the list they went. Some people may have gotten into a higher-ranked school and dropped off of the other waitlists. So, e.g., it shows that Hearst only made 4 offers from their waitlist for PK4 last year, but they surely went beyond spot 4 -- I know someone in the top 4 initially who got into a better ranked school and was then removed from the Hearst waitlist, so they never got a call.

Sure it does -

IF it says 20 seats were offered in the lottery and the wait list info said they went to 36, that means that 16 of those people turned it down.

What do you mean "the wait list info said they went to __"? I only see "Number of waitlist offers made to round 1 applicants" by date, nothing else. Also, they may have made other offers to round 2 or post-lottery applicants.

It is two separate tables - the number of waitlist offers are the additional number of offers made on top of those that were matched in the lottery. I don't think they should be added together.

I agree that the two numbers should not be added together. 20 seats were initially matched, but not everyone took them so they had to go through an additional 36 people to fill them...

I only see the # of initial offers made (through the lottery) and then the # of waitlist offers made through round 1 applicants. To the extent that people were taken off waitlists because they were matched with higher-ranked schools, that does not tell you how far down the waitlist they went. Also, it doesn't tell you how many round 2 offers and post-lottery applicant offers were made. To the extent that those people have preferences, they may have received offers over round 1 waitlisted people.

People who are pulled from the waitlist because they enroll at a higher ranked school never get an offer at the lower ranked schools. They wouldn't be counted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brookland - underenrolled and no wait list at all for 7th and 8th.

When I drive by and think of the money ...

yep. And now they are going to redo McFarland Middle which will also dilute students. Brookland is beautfiul but they failed to give the parents what they wanted, test in advanced curriculum and more language classes. the school is only as good as its feeders and it may be another 10-15 years before it becomes a viable option for high SES families.

[Anonymous]

Why isn't creative minds on the list for charter schools? Although I have a pretty good idea. I know people in the 350s on the waitlist who ranked it first.

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Anonymous wrote:These data are great, but they don't tell you how far down the list they went. Some people may have gotten into a higher-ranked school and dropped off of the other waitlists. So, e.g., it shows that Hearst only made 4 offers from their waitlist for PK4 last year, but they surely went beyond spot 4 -- I know someone in the top 4 initially who got into a better ranked school and was then removed from the Hearst waitlist, so they never got a call.

Sure it does -

IF it says 20 seats were offered in the lottery and the wait list info said they went to 36, that means that 16 of those people turned it down.

What do you mean "the wait list info said they went to __"? I only see "Number of waitlist offers made to round 1 applicants" by date, nothing else. Also, they may have made other offers to round 2 or post-lottery applicants.

It is two separate tables - the number of waitlist offers are the additional number of offers made on top of those that were matched in the lottery. I don't think they should be added together.

I agree that the two numbers should not be added together. 20 seats were initially matched, but not everyone took them so they had to go through an additional 36 people to fill them...

I only see the # of initial offers made (through the lottery) and then the # of waitlist offers made through round 1 applicants. To the extent that people were taken off waitlists because they were matched with higher-ranked schools, that does not tell you how far down the waitlist they went. Also, it doesn't tell you how many round 2 offers and post-lottery applicant offers were made. To the extent that those people have preferences, they may have received offers over round 1 waitlisted people.

People who are pulled from the waitlist because they enroll at a higher ranked school never get an offer at the lower ranked schools. They wouldn't be counted.

But they took up a spot on the original waitlist. If they made 16 waitlist offers, they may have made an offer to #18 on the list, because two days earlier, # 17, who ranked this school 3rd, got into her 2nd ranked school, so she disappeared from the list. So if you are # 18, you don't know what 16 offers last year means for you, although if we knew all of the details, we'd know that #18 eventually got in last year.

That level of detail is probably too much to expect, but at least you have sort of a lower bound to work with.

[Anonymous]

I love data but everyone should take this information with a grain of salt. Our WotP elementary shows that they never went to the waitlist (and zero spots were offered up in teh initial lottery) but I know for a fact that they did go to the waitlist for Kindergarten and 5th. But it's not reflected. My guess is that once the schools started managing the lists themselves, if they didn't reach back out to MySchoolDC to update the database it doesn't show.