Racist BLM policy causes ejection from library

[Anonymous]

Agreed, Canadian PP.

It's also hard to give concrete examples of racism where blacks are excluded because it is everywhere. It isn't that a certain place has a policy. It is that it is widespread implied minorities aren't welcome, be it due to the political nature of the event (i.e. Trump rallies), or how the people involved act. Racism against minorities is institutionalized. It isn't a one-off exclusion like this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand your question about whether local libraries and meeting spaces are aware of it. If they are, so what? BLM has the right to exclude anyone it wants.

No they cannot exclude anyone they want IF they are using taxpayer funded public spaces like library meeting rooms.

Would you be OK with the KKK using your local library for meetings?

Would I be OK with it? No. Would I accept it as their 1st Amendment right? Yes.

Their first amendment right would not allow the KKK to meet in a public library. Private place, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand your question about whether local libraries and meeting spaces are aware of it. If they are, so what? BLM has the right to exclude anyone it wants.

No they cannot exclude anyone they want IF they are using taxpayer funded public spaces like library meeting rooms.

Would you be OK with the KKK using your local library for meetings?

Would I be OK with it? No. Would I accept it as their 1st Amendment right? Yes.

Their first amendment right would not allow the KKK to meet in a public library. Private place, yes.

Agreed. A BLM chapter or any activist group can exclude whoever they want from their meetings legally. They just can't expect to be able to use taxpayer funded resources to do so. I'm a surprised this concept seems foreign to whoever is speaking/representing this BLM chapter. I suspect mistakes such as this are attributed to the challenge of being in a "leaderless" (meaning no central point of contact/ no central point of reference for support) movement that is so decentralized.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why a single man would want to sit in on a mom's meeting. And I don't know why a white person would want to attend a BLM meeting. Both seems needless hostile and provocative to me.

What if the single man were a single parent? or a gay dad?

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Anonymous wrote:OP your title is misleading. Faux news style.

The TN chapter wanted to host meeting with people of color only (including non blacks). The library alerted them that they can't discriminate in their meetings in publicly funded space.

I support what BLM stands for. Although The BLM chapter opposed this view, I actually think it's a reasonable request by the library. I also think it's perfectly fine that the BLM chapter have a meeting with only people of color. They just need to find a different space to do it. During the civil rights movement, people met in people's homes and in churches. That same model would be appropriate today.

Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl. There are plenty of whites involved in the movement, but I also know in a place like TN you are probably more likely to find a daily caller-like troll in your meeting recording and twisiting the narrative then you would an empathetic white person.

Just curious - can you give an example of a white “exclusionary” meeting?

Are you serious with that question? Really?

Yep.

NP here. I also want to know.

Give examples.

With all the information that is accessible today on the history of our nation and the treatment of blacks, even in today's times, the fact that you are asking these basic questions says to me that any discussion of this matter will be an exercise in futility and will not be constructive. I say this as a Canadian white person who struggles with the fact that soooo many Americans remain ignorant of basic history and lack general empathy on matters relating to minorities of color.

You are free to believe "whites-only" meetings, either explicitly, or through other societal/structurally built-in factors, do not occur and I'm making it up. You are also free to believe TN and and it's people/government have a rich history of treating blacks fairly.

Canadian poster, you said "Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl". other posters asked you to give examples and you have been unable to do so (saying " is this a serious questions" or "you are free to believe that white only meetings do not occur" are not examples, they simply highlight your inability to come up with an example). I am also a foreigner (white from Europe) and think it high time that police is held responsible for unnecessary killings, but I have never encountered, in my very limited experience, a meeting that was open only to white people. if you think this happens so often and nobody complains, then you should be able to provide examples.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your title is misleading. Faux news style.

The TN chapter wanted to host meeting with people of color only (including non blacks). The library alerted them that they can't discriminate in their meetings in publicly funded space.

I support what BLM stands for. Although The BLM chapter opposed this view, I actually think it's a reasonable request by the library. I also think it's perfectly fine that the BLM chapter have a meeting with only people of color. They just need to find a different space to do it. During the civil rights movement, people met in people's homes and in churches. That same model would be appropriate today.

Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl. There are plenty of whites involved in the movement, but I also know in a place like TN you are probably more likely to find a daily caller-like troll in your meeting recording and twisiting the narrative then you would an empathetic white person.

I was with you until you decided to include the unnecessary remark about Tennessee. Maybe you live in a state in which over 90% of the population is white?

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Anonymous wrote:OP your title is misleading. Faux news style.

The TN chapter wanted to host meeting with people of color only (including non blacks). The library alerted them that they can't discriminate in their meetings in publicly funded space.

I support what BLM stands for. Although The BLM chapter opposed this view, I actually think it's a reasonable request by the library. I also think it's perfectly fine that the BLM chapter have a meeting with only people of color. They just need to find a different space to do it. During the civil rights movement, people met in people's homes and in churches. That same model would be appropriate today.

Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl. There are plenty of whites involved in the movement, but I also know in a place like TN you are probably more likely to find a daily caller-like troll in your meeting recording and twisiting the narrative then you would an empathetic white person.

Just curious - can you give an example of a white “exclusionary” meeting?

Are you serious with that question? Really?

Yep.

NP here. I also want to know.

Give examples.

With all the information that is accessible today on the history of our nation and the treatment of blacks, even in today's times, the fact that you are asking these basic questions says to me that any discussion of this matter will be an exercise in futility and will not be constructive. I say this as a Canadian white person who struggles with the fact that soooo many Americans remain ignorant of basic history and lack general empathy on matters relating to minorities of color.

You are free to believe "whites-only" meetings, either explicitly, or through other societal/structurally built-in factors, do not occur and I'm making it up. You are also free to believe TN and and it's people/government have a rich history of treating blacks fairly.

Are you a Canadian white person who is living or has lived in TN? Certainly TN has a history of segregation and racism. They also have some progressive whites -- remember that flyer about language sent out at UT?

http://wate.com/2015/08/27/ut-knoxville-encourages-students-to-use-gender-neutral-pronouns/

I'm pretty sure PP went crying back to Canada because we challenged her viewpoint and showed her that America and Americans are not as racist as she wants so desperately to believe.

Looking down on the U.S. is a national past time in Canada

I did not say Americans were racist. I said many were ignorant and lack empathy towards colored minorities. Especially Americans on anon Internet message boards like this one. Haven't seen many comments on this thread that disproves this notion.

I will say to your point, Canada has its own issues regarding race, but the public rhetoric is not as extreme or inflammatory as it is here. Especially these days. My feeling here is not that Americans in general have these views, but that the ones that do voice them the loudest.

From what I've read, most Canadians refer to themselves as Canadians; and a very small minority are non-white. Those facts can impact the negative rhetoric.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP your title is misleading. Faux news style.

The TN chapter wanted to host meeting with people of color only (including non blacks). The library alerted them that they can't discriminate in their meetings in publicly funded space.

I support what BLM stands for. Although The BLM chapter opposed this view, I actually think it's a reasonable request by the library. I also think it's perfectly fine that the BLM chapter have a meeting with only people of color. They just need to find a different space to do it. During the civil rights movement, people met in people's homes and in churches. That same model would be appropriate today.

Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl. There are plenty of whites involved in the movement, but I also know in a place like TN you are probably more likely to find a daily caller-like troll in your meeting recording and twisiting the narrative then you would an empathetic white person.

Just curious - can you give an example of a white “exclusionary” meeting?

Are you serious with that question? Really?

Yep.

NP here. I also want to know.

Give examples.

So do I. Last I remember, "Whites" only anything was frowned upon.

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Anonymous wrote:OP your title is misleading. Faux news style.

The TN chapter wanted to host meeting with people of color only (including non blacks). The library alerted them that they can't discriminate in their meetings in publicly funded space.

I support what BLM stands for. Although The BLM chapter opposed this view, I actually think it's a reasonable request by the library. I also think it's perfectly fine that the BLM chapter have a meeting with only people of color. They just need to find a different space to do it. During the civil rights movement, people met in people's homes and in churches. That same model would be appropriate today.

Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl. There are plenty of whites involved in the movement, but I also know in a place like TN you are probably more likely to find a daily caller-like troll in your meeting recording and twisiting the narrative then you would an empathetic white person.

Just curious - can you give an example of a white “exclusionary” meeting?

Are you serious with that question? Really?

Yep.

NP here. I also want to know.

Give examples.

With all the information that is accessible today on the history of our nation and the treatment of blacks, even in today's times, the fact that you are asking these basic questions says to me that any discussion of this matter will be an exercise in futility and will not be constructive. I say this as a Canadian white person who struggles with the fact that soooo many Americans remain ignorant of basic history and lack general empathy on matters relating to minorities of color.

You are free to believe "whites-only" meetings, either explicitly, or through other societal/structurally built-in factors, do not occur and I'm making it up. You are also free to believe TN and and it's people/government have a rich history of treating blacks fairly.

Are you a Canadian white person who is living or has lived in TN? Certainly TN has a history of segregation and racism. They also have some progressive whites -- remember that flyer about language sent out at UT?

http://wate.com/2015/08/27/ut-knoxville-encourages-students-to-use-gender-neutral-pronouns/

I'm pretty sure PP went crying back to Canada because we challenged her viewpoint and showed her that America and Americans are not as racist as she wants so desperately to believe.

Looking down on the U.S. is a national past time in Canada

I did not say Americans were racist. I said many were ignorant and lack empathy towards colored minorities. Especially Americans on anon Internet message boards like this one. Haven't seen many comments on this thread that disproves this notion.

I will say to your point, Canada has its own issues regarding race, but the public rhetoric is not as extreme or inflammatory as it is here. Especially these days. My feeling here is not that Americans in general have these views, but that the ones that do voice them the loudest.

Well, I'm guessing if/when Canada becomes significantly less than 95% white/asian things will change.

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Anonymous wrote:I was not aware that BLM meetings did not allow white people to participate:

http://www.newschannel5.com/news/groups-color-only-rule-keeps-them-from-using-library

Are local libraries and meeting spaces aware of this?

I hate Trump, but it is certainly time to make our country great again. Behavior like that belongs in North Korea, not in the country with the first modern Constitution on earth.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP your title is misleading. Faux news style.

The TN chapter wanted to host meeting with people of color only (including non blacks). The library alerted them that they can't discriminate in their meetings in publicly funded space.

I support what BLM stands for. Although The BLM chapter opposed this view, I actually think it's a reasonable request by the library. I also think it's perfectly fine that the BLM chapter have a meeting with only people of color. They just need to find a different space to do it. During the civil rights movement, people met in people's homes and in churches. That same model would be appropriate today.

Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl. There are plenty of whites involved in the movement, but I also know in a place like TN you are probably more likely to find a daily caller-like troll in your meeting recording and twisiting the narrative then you would an empathetic white person.

Just curious - can you give an example of a white “exclusionary” meeting?

Are you serious with that question? Really?

Yep.

NP here. I also want to know.

Give examples.

With all the information that is accessible today on the history of our nation and the treatment of blacks, even in today's times, the fact that you are asking these basic questions says to me that any discussion of this matter will be an exercise in futility and will not be constructive. I say this as a Canadian white person who struggles with the fact that soooo many Americans remain ignorant of basic history and lack general empathy on matters relating to minorities of color.

You are free to believe "whites-only" meetings, either explicitly, or through other societal/structurally built-in factors, do not occur and I'm making it up. You are also free to believe TN and and it's people/government have a rich history of treating blacks fairly.

So, I am guessing that you cannot give any examples.
Thanks.

I am pretty sure Klan meetings don't allow Black people. I'm also sure White Supre meetings don't allow Black people. However, I did go to BLM meeting in DC last week at Busboys and Poets and there were white people there AND WELCOMED.

And, this is the comment to which I asked for example of white exclusionary meetings:

"Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl.”

So, what you are saying is that no one cries fowl to meetings of the Klan and White Supremacists?
You are wrong.

The KKK don't have to say whites only. If a black person showed up, they would be found dead. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

DC Public Libraries have the same "open to the public" policy on their meetings rooms.

It's really not news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP your title is misleading. Faux news style.

The TN chapter wanted to host meeting with people of color only (including non blacks). The library alerted them that they can't discriminate in their meetings in publicly funded space.

I support what BLM stands for. Although The BLM chapter opposed this view, I actually think it's a reasonable request by the library. I also think it's perfectly fine that the BLM chapter have a meeting with only people of color. They just need to find a different space to do it. During the civil rights movement, people met in people's homes and in churches. That same model would be appropriate today.

Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl. There are plenty of whites involved in the movement, but I also know in a place like TN you are probably more likely to find a daily caller-like troll in your meeting recording and twisiting the narrative then you would an empathetic white person.

Just curious - can you give an example of a white “exclusionary” meeting?

Are you serious with that question? Really?

Yep.

NP here. I also want to know.

Give examples.

With all the information that is accessible today on the history of our nation and the treatment of blacks, even in today's times, the fact that you are asking these basic questions says to me that any discussion of this matter will be an exercise in futility and will not be constructive. I say this as a Canadian white person who struggles with the fact that soooo many Americans remain ignorant of basic history and lack general empathy on matters relating to minorities of color.

You are free to believe "whites-only" meetings, either explicitly, or through other societal/structurally built-in factors, do not occur and I'm making it up. You are also free to believe TN and and it's people/government have a rich history of treating blacks fairly.

So basically you are making stuff up to fit tue story you created in your mind?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why a single man would want to sit in on a mom's meeting. And I don't know why a white person would want to attend a BLM meeting. Both seems needless hostile and provocative to me.

What? Yet BLM want Bernie Sanders and HRCs "support"?? Are you crazy? You have now put it in the same category as an extremist hate group like KKK. Wow. Speechless.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why a single man would want to sit in on a mom's meeting. And I don't know why a white person would want to attend a BLM meeting. Both seems needless hostile and provocative to me.

What? Yet BLM want Bernie Sanders and HRCs "support"?? Are you crazy? You have now put it in the same category as an extremist hate group like KKK. Wow. Speechless.

Of course they want support of the next administration; Obama won't be president forever.