Racist BLM policy causes ejection from library

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Anonymous wrote:OP your title is misleading. Faux news style.

The TN chapter wanted to host meeting with people of color only (including non blacks). The library alerted them that they can't discriminate in their meetings in publicly funded space.

I support what BLM stands for. Although The BLM chapter opposed this view, I actually think it's a reasonable request by the library. I also think it's perfectly fine that the BLM chapter have a meeting with only people of color. They just need to find a different space to do it. During the civil rights movement, people met in people's homes and in churches. That same model would be appropriate today.

Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl. There are plenty of whites involved in the movement, but I also know in a place like TN you are probably more likely to find a daily caller-like troll in your meeting recording and twisiting the narrative then you would an empathetic white person.

Just curious - can you give an example of a white “exclusionary” meeting?

Are you serious with that question? Really?

Yep.

NP here. I also want to know.

Give examples.

With all the information that is accessible today on the history of our nation and the treatment of blacks, even in today's times, the fact that you are asking these basic questions says to me that any discussion of this matter will be an exercise in futility and will not be constructive. I say this as a Canadian white person who struggles with the fact that soooo many Americans remain ignorant of basic history and lack general empathy on matters relating to minorities of color.

You are free to believe "whites-only" meetings, either explicitly, or through other societal/structurally built-in factors, do not occur and I'm making it up. You are also free to believe TN and and it's people/government have a rich history of treating blacks fairly.

So, I am guessing that you cannot give any examples.
Thanks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP your title is misleading. Faux news style.

The TN chapter wanted to host meeting with people of color only (including non blacks). The library alerted them that they can't discriminate in their meetings in publicly funded space.

I support what BLM stands for. Although The BLM chapter opposed this view, I actually think it's a reasonable request by the library. I also think it's perfectly fine that the BLM chapter have a meeting with only people of color. They just need to find a different space to do it. During the civil rights movement, people met in people's homes and in churches. That same model would be appropriate today.

Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl. There are plenty of whites involved in the movement, but I also know in a place like TN you are probably more likely to find a daily caller-like troll in your meeting recording and twisiting the narrative then you would an empathetic white person.

Just curious - can you give an example of a white “exclusionary” meeting?

Are you serious with that question? Really?

Yep.

NP here. I also want to know.

Give examples.

With all the information that is accessible today on the history of our nation and the treatment of blacks, even in today's times, the fact that you are asking these basic questions says to me that any discussion of this matter will be an exercise in futility and will not be constructive. I say this as a Canadian white person who struggles with the fact that soooo many Americans remain ignorant of basic history and lack general empathy on matters relating to minorities of color.

You are free to believe "whites-only" meetings, either explicitly, or through other societal/structurally built-in factors, do not occur and I'm making it up. You are also free to believe TN and and it's people/government have a rich history of treating blacks fairly.

So what is the example?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP your title is misleading. Faux news style.

The TN chapter wanted to host meeting with people of color only (including non blacks). The library alerted them that they can't discriminate in their meetings in publicly funded space.

I support what BLM stands for. Although The BLM chapter opposed this view, I actually think it's a reasonable request by the library. I also think it's perfectly fine that the BLM chapter have a meeting with only people of color. They just need to find a different space to do it. During the civil rights movement, people met in people's homes and in churches. That same model would be appropriate today.

Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl. There are plenty of whites involved in the movement, but I also know in a place like TN you are probably more likely to find a daily caller-like troll in your meeting recording and twisiting the narrative then you would an empathetic white person.

Just curious - can you give an example of a white “exclusionary” meeting?

Are you serious with that question? Really?

Yep.

NP here. I also want to know.

Give examples.

With all the information that is accessible today on the history of our nation and the treatment of blacks, even in today's times, the fact that you are asking these basic questions says to me that any discussion of this matter will be an exercise in futility and will not be constructive. I say this as a Canadian white person who struggles with the fact that soooo many Americans remain ignorant of basic history and lack general empathy on matters relating to minorities of color.

You are free to believe "whites-only" meetings, either explicitly, or through other societal/structurally built-in factors, do not occur and I'm making it up. You are also free to believe TN and and it's people/government have a rich history of treating blacks fairly.

So, I am guessing that you cannot give any examples.
Thanks.

I am pretty sure Klan meetings don't allow Black people. I'm also sure White Supre meetings don't allow Black people. However, I did go to BLM meeting in DC last week at Busboys and Poets and there were white people there AND WELCOMED.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP your title is misleading. Faux news style.

The TN chapter wanted to host meeting with people of color only (including non blacks). The library alerted them that they can't discriminate in their meetings in publicly funded space.

I support what BLM stands for. Although The BLM chapter opposed this view, I actually think it's a reasonable request by the library. I also think it's perfectly fine that the BLM chapter have a meeting with only people of color. They just need to find a different space to do it. During the civil rights movement, people met in people's homes and in churches. That same model would be appropriate today.

Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl. There are plenty of whites involved in the movement, but I also know in a place like TN you are probably more likely to find a daily caller-like troll in your meeting recording and twisiting the narrative then you would an empathetic white person.

What do birds have to do with this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP your title is misleading. Faux news style.

The TN chapter wanted to host meeting with people of color only (including non blacks). The library alerted them that they can't discriminate in their meetings in publicly funded space.

I support what BLM stands for. Although The BLM chapter opposed this view, I actually think it's a reasonable request by the library. I also think it's perfectly fine that the BLM chapter have a meeting with only people of color. They just need to find a different space to do it. During the civil rights movement, people met in people's homes and in churches. That same model would be appropriate today.

Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl. There are plenty of whites involved in the movement, but I also know in a place like TN you are probably more likely to find a daily caller-like troll in your meeting recording and twisiting the narrative then you would an empathetic white person.

Just curious - can you give an example of a white “exclusionary” meeting?

Are you serious with that question? Really?

Yep.

NP here. I also want to know.

Give examples.

With all the information that is accessible today on the history of our nation and the treatment of blacks, even in today's times, the fact that you are asking these basic questions says to me that any discussion of this matter will be an exercise in futility and will not be constructive. I say this as a Canadian white person who struggles with the fact that soooo many Americans remain ignorant of basic history and lack general empathy on matters relating to minorities of color.

You are free to believe "whites-only" meetings, either explicitly, or through other societal/structurally built-in factors, do not occur and I'm making it up. You are also free to believe TN and and it's people/government have a rich history of treating blacks fairly.

Are you a Canadian white person who is living or has lived in TN? Certainly TN has a history of segregation and racism. They also have some progressive whites -- remember that flyer about language sent out at UT?

http://wate.com/2015/08/27/ut-knoxville-encourages-students-to-use-gender-neutral-pronouns/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand your question about whether local libraries and meeting spaces are aware of it. If they are, so what? BLM has the right to exclude anyone it wants.

No they cannot exclude anyone they want IF they are using taxpayer funded public spaces like library meeting rooms.

Would you be OK with the KKK using your local library for meetings?

Would I be OK with it? No. Would I accept it as their 1st Amendment right? Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why a single man would want to sit in on a mom's meeting. And I don't know why a white person would want to attend a BLM meeting. Both seems needless hostile and provocative to me.

Completely beside the point, but thanks for participating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP your title is misleading. Faux news style.

The TN chapter wanted to host meeting with people of color only (including non blacks). The library alerted them that they can't discriminate in their meetings in publicly funded space.

I support what BLM stands for. Although The BLM chapter opposed this view, I actually think it's a reasonable request by the library. I also think it's perfectly fine that the BLM chapter have a meeting with only people of color. They just need to find a different space to do it. During the civil rights movement, people met in people's homes and in churches. That same model would be appropriate today.

Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl. There are plenty of whites involved in the movement, but I also know in a place like TN you are probably more likely to find a daily caller-like troll in your meeting recording and twisiting the narrative then you would an empathetic white person.

Just curious - can you give an example of a white “exclusionary” meeting?

Are you serious with that question? Really?

Yep.

NP here. I also want to know.

Give examples.

With all the information that is accessible today on the history of our nation and the treatment of blacks, even in today's times, the fact that you are asking these basic questions says to me that any discussion of this matter will be an exercise in futility and will not be constructive. I say this as a Canadian white person who struggles with the fact that soooo many Americans remain ignorant of basic history and lack general empathy on matters relating to minorities of color.

You are free to believe "whites-only" meetings, either explicitly, or through other societal/structurally built-in factors, do not occur and I'm making it up. You are also free to believe TN and and it's people/government have a rich history of treating blacks fairly.

So, I am guessing that you cannot give any examples.
Thanks.

I am pretty sure Klan meetings don't allow Black people. I'm also sure White Supre meetings don't allow Black people. However, I did go to BLM meeting in DC last week at Busboys and Poets and there were white people there AND WELCOMED.

And, this is the comment to which I asked for example of white exclusionary meetings:

"Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl.”

So, what you are saying is that no one cries fowl to meetings of the Klan and White Supremacists?
You are wrong.

[Anonymous]

i still don't understand what birds have to do with this.

[Anonymous]

So, this headline is dumb. It's not racist to want to have a safe space for PoC to have a conversation about race.

But it's also not reasonable to expect a public institution to be okay with a policy that excludes based on race, so the current solution (take the meeting to a private space) is the right one from all sides.

[Anonymous]

Well, I don't know what the article says because I'm not playing the stupid "answer questions to read the news" game, but not all BLM groups exclude whites so what happens in Nashville has nothing to do with DC or libraries here.

Also, I don't care if they do exclude people and meet in the library, or if any other group does. I don't have to like it to think it should be allowable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i still don't understand what birds have to do with this.

Obviously PP made a typo. Not uncommon on internet message boards. Get over it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP your title is misleading. Faux news style.

The TN chapter wanted to host meeting with people of color only (including non blacks). The library alerted them that they can't discriminate in their meetings in publicly funded space.

I support what BLM stands for. Although The BLM chapter opposed this view, I actually think it's a reasonable request by the library. I also think it's perfectly fine that the BLM chapter have a meeting with only people of color. They just need to find a different space to do it. During the civil rights movement, people met in people's homes and in churches. That same model would be appropriate today.

Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl. There are plenty of whites involved in the movement, but I also know in a place like TN you are probably more likely to find a daily caller-like troll in your meeting recording and twisiting the narrative then you would an empathetic white person.

Just curious - can you give an example of a white “exclusionary” meeting?

Are you serious with that question? Really?

Yep.

NP here. I also want to know.

Give examples.

With all the information that is accessible today on the history of our nation and the treatment of blacks, even in today's times, the fact that you are asking these basic questions says to me that any discussion of this matter will be an exercise in futility and will not be constructive. I say this as a Canadian white person who struggles with the fact that soooo many Americans remain ignorant of basic history and lack general empathy on matters relating to minorities of color.

You are free to believe "whites-only" meetings, either explicitly, or through other societal/structurally built-in factors, do not occur and I'm making it up. You are also free to believe TN and and it's people/government have a rich history of treating blacks fairly.

Are you a Canadian white person who is living or has lived in TN? Certainly TN has a history of segregation and racism. They also have some progressive whites -- remember that flyer about language sent out at UT?

http://wate.com/2015/08/27/ut-knoxville-encourages-students-to-use-gender-neutral-pronouns/

I'm pretty sure PP went crying back to Canada because we challenged her viewpoint and showed her that America and Americans are not as racist as she wants so desperately to believe.

Looking down on the U.S. is a national past time in Canada

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP your title is misleading. Faux news style.

The TN chapter wanted to host meeting with people of color only (including non blacks). The library alerted them that they can't discriminate in their meetings in publicly funded space.

I support what BLM stands for. Although The BLM chapter opposed this view, I actually think it's a reasonable request by the library. I also think it's perfectly fine that the BLM chapter have a meeting with only people of color. They just need to find a different space to do it. During the civil rights movement, people met in people's homes and in churches. That same model would be appropriate today.

Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl. There are plenty of whites involved in the movement, but I also know in a place like TN you are probably more likely to find a daily caller-like troll in your meeting recording and twisiting the narrative then you would an empathetic white person.

Just curious - can you give an example of a white “exclusionary” meeting?

Are you serious with that question? Really?

Yep.

NP here. I also want to know.

Give examples.

With all the information that is accessible today on the history of our nation and the treatment of blacks, even in today's times, the fact that you are asking these basic questions says to me that any discussion of this matter will be an exercise in futility and will not be constructive. I say this as a Canadian white person who struggles with the fact that soooo many Americans remain ignorant of basic history and lack general empathy on matters relating to minorities of color.

You are free to believe "whites-only" meetings, either explicitly, or through other societal/structurally built-in factors, do not occur and I'm making it up. You are also free to believe TN and and it's people/government have a rich history of treating blacks fairly.

So, I am guessing that you cannot give any examples.
Thanks.

I am pretty sure Klan meetings don't allow Black people. I'm also sure White Supre meetings don't allow Black people. However, I did go to BLM meeting in DC last week at Busboys and Poets and there were white people there AND WELCOMED.

And, this is the comment to which I asked for example of white exclusionary meetings:

"Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl.”

So, what you are saying is that no one cries fowl to meetings of the Klan and White Supremacists?
You are wrong.

PPs response wasn't from me. But you proved my point regardless. Your agenda is not to seek understanding. It is to try to prove someone is wrong. That's attitude is a nonstarter for a constructive discussion. It's not even adequate from a debate perspective.

Let me help my anti-BLMs: your winning argument is that this BLM chapter is short sided for excluding whites from their meetings given that white support is ultimately necessary for them to achieve their objectives. How about we start there and work our way through it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP your title is misleading. Faux news style.

The TN chapter wanted to host meeting with people of color only (including non blacks). The library alerted them that they can't discriminate in their meetings in publicly funded space.

I support what BLM stands for. Although The BLM chapter opposed this view, I actually think it's a reasonable request by the library. I also think it's perfectly fine that the BLM chapter have a meeting with only people of color. They just need to find a different space to do it. During the civil rights movement, people met in people's homes and in churches. That same model would be appropriate today.

Whites have exclusionary meetings all the time and no one cries fowl. There are plenty of whites involved in the movement, but I also know in a place like TN you are probably more likely to find a daily caller-like troll in your meeting recording and twisiting the narrative then you would an empathetic white person.

Just curious - can you give an example of a white “exclusionary” meeting?

Are you serious with that question? Really?

Yep.

NP here. I also want to know.

Give examples.

With all the information that is accessible today on the history of our nation and the treatment of blacks, even in today's times, the fact that you are asking these basic questions says to me that any discussion of this matter will be an exercise in futility and will not be constructive. I say this as a Canadian white person who struggles with the fact that soooo many Americans remain ignorant of basic history and lack general empathy on matters relating to minorities of color.

You are free to believe "whites-only" meetings, either explicitly, or through other societal/structurally built-in factors, do not occur and I'm making it up. You are also free to believe TN and and it's people/government have a rich history of treating blacks fairly.

Are you a Canadian white person who is living or has lived in TN? Certainly TN has a history of segregation and racism. They also have some progressive whites -- remember that flyer about language sent out at UT?

http://wate.com/2015/08/27/ut-knoxville-encourages-students-to-use-gender-neutral-pronouns/

I'm pretty sure PP went crying back to Canada because we challenged her viewpoint and showed her that America and Americans are not as racist as she wants so desperately to believe.

Looking down on the U.S. is a national past time in Canada

I did not say Americans were racist. I said many were ignorant and lack empathy towards colored minorities. Especially Americans on anon Internet message boards like this one. Haven't seen many comments on this thread that disproves this notion.

I will say to your point, Canada has its own issues regarding race, but the public rhetoric is not as extreme or inflammatory as it is here. Especially these days. My feeling here is not that Americans in general have these views, but that the ones that do voice them the loudest.