Harvard's odd quota on Asian-Americans

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^It seems to me you have no problem denigrating other hard working people in your unyielding attempts to display Asians as the ultimate definition of the perfect immigrant.

The most successful immigrant success groups are those that achieve well and then decide to give back via charity, civic involvement, political involvement and other endeavors that transcend themselves. It takes some time, though.

[Anonymous]

What the Ivys are refusing to address in this legitimate claim of discrimination by Aisians, is that the Ivys are penalizing far more qualified Asian students to admit black and other "affirmative action" admits who are far less qualified, but are given admissions "boosts" to enable these schools to foment their social engineering policies. It is not right, but there is nothing the Fed can do, or can they? In both the Texas state system and the University of Michigan, affirmative action programs have been found to be discriminatory towards other more qualified classes of students, i..e., whites and Asians. Could the Ivys be the next to fall? Could get interesting.

[Anonymous]

FYI, Texas got around the ban on affirmative action by introducing auto-admission rules for the top 10%. There are schools where nearly everyone is black or Hispanic and the top students are admitted regardless of their SAT scores. And that was even with the tight restrictions imposed on them by virtue of being a state school. The Ivies will never not make diverse classes, no matter how many angry lawsuits entitled Asians throw at them.

Frankly, what you want is the Ivies to just admit based on SAT scores alone. And that will never, ever happen, no matter what law suits you win. It's not up to the government to decide who's "qualified", and there is more to qualification than SAT scores.

[Anonymous]

Frankly, what you want is the Ivies to just admit based on SAT scores alone. And that will never, ever happen, no matter what law suits you win. It's not up to the government to decide who's "qualified", and there is more to qualification than SAT scores.

This.

[Anonymous]

There seems to be a lot of misinformation on this thread beginning with it's title. I'd like to see actual evidence of Harvard's "quota" on Asian Americans. So far, neither posters, nor the lawsuit (which I've read) have presented any. There's a lot of innuendo and assumption based on increases in the Asian American population and their historically high GPAs and test scores -- not to mention anecdotal evidence on similarly impressive extracurriculars and leadership positions, but again no real proof that a private school that is notoriously difficult to get into is doing anything other than selecting the most interesting, unique and accomplished student body it can get.

People have compared Harvard to an academic lottery for good reasons -- of all the hundreds of thousands of amazing students in the world, they only accept about 2,000 and I think the freshman class this year ended up being around 1,600. For the class of 2018 they had 34,000 + applicants, so I would imagine they turned away plenty of remarkable students of all sorts of di ethnicities. The one difference seems to be that instead of accepting that Harvard is a tough place to get into and moving on, a collection of Asian groups has decided that it is a conspiracy and that by virtue of their academic superiority and sheer numbers, they are entitled to make up a bigger share of total admissions. We don't know what unique talents these rejected students brought or what they said in their essays, we only know they were discriminated against because the math says so.

A lot of folks point out that Asians make up the majority of the student body at public magnet schools (often science and math-based) like New York's Stuyvesant and TJ. Although it's not popular to say, I know from personal experience that that has also changed the culture at some of these schools. TJ has become a different place -- more of an academic factory than the place of exploration it used to be. This, not intimidation by higher achieving Asians, is the reason the number of white applicants has gone down. My oldest child grew up in Asia and doesn't even really see race ( in fact he's all for race-blind admissions), but he was very turned off by the dog-eat-dog mentality he found there.

Private schools such as Harvard can and should be able to accept whoever they want and cultivate the community they think is representative of their academic mission. . If they are turning away too many people of any race who would bring more esteem to the institution, then they are only hurting themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What the Ivys are refusing to address in this legitimate claim of discrimination by Aisians, is that the Ivys are penalizing far more qualified Asian students to admit black and other "affirmative action" admits who are far less qualified, but are given admissions "boosts" to enable these schools to foment their social engineering policies. It is not right, but there is nothing the Fed can do, or can they? In both the Texas state system and the University of Michigan, affirmative action programs have been found to be discriminatory towards other more qualified classes of students, i..e., whites and Asians. Could the Ivys be the next to fall? Could get interesting.

Why you think that Harvard would admit less qualified candidates says more about you than it does about Harvard. There is no way in hell Harvard, MIT, Stanford, and the others would ever admit anyone who couldn't do the work. But that's the excuse that people like you use to justify why you didn't get in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What the Ivys are refusing to address in this legitimate claim of discrimination by Aisians, is that the Ivys are penalizing far more qualified Asian students to admit black and other "affirmative action" admits who are far less qualified, but are given admissions "boosts" to enable these schools to foment their social engineering policies. It is not right, but there is nothing the Fed can do, or can they? In both the Texas state system and the University of Michigan, affirmative action programs have been found to be discriminatory towards other more qualified classes of students, i..e., whites and Asians. Could the Ivys be the next to fall? Could get interesting.

Why you think that Harvard would admit less qualified candidates says more about you than it does about Harvard. There is no way in hell Harvard, MIT, Stanford, and the others would ever admit anyone who couldn't do the work. But that's the excuse that people like you use to justify why you didn't get in.

I guess you would refuse to believe Harvard discriminated against Jews decades ago as well. The question is not whether Harvard admits people "who couldn't do the work". Anyone with 3.5 or above unweighted GPA and 2,000 SAT scores would be able to do the work. The question is whether Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in admissions in favor of other racial groups on the basis of race? The answer to that question is yes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What the Ivys are refusing to address in this legitimate claim of discrimination by Aisians, is that the Ivys are penalizing far more qualified Asian students to admit black and other "affirmative action" admits who are far less qualified, but are given admissions "boosts" to enable these schools to foment their social engineering policies. It is not right, but there is nothing the Fed can do, or can they? In both the Texas state system and the University of Michigan, affirmative action programs have been found to be discriminatory towards other more qualified classes of students, i..e., whites and Asians. Could the Ivys be the next to fall? Could get interesting.

Why you think that Harvard would admit less qualified candidates says more about you than it does about Harvard. There is no way in hell Harvard, MIT, Stanford, and the others would ever admit anyone who couldn't do the work. But that's the excuse that people like you use to justify why you didn't get in.

I guess you would refuse to believe Harvard discriminated against Jews decades ago as well. The question is not whether Harvard admits people "who couldn't do the work". Anyone with 3.5 or above unweighted GPA and 2,000 SAT scores would be able to do the work. The question is whether Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in admissions in favor of other racial groups on the basis of race? The answer to that question is yes.

and again, your proof would be what, exactly? lots of assertions here with no evidence. the discrimination against Jews was documented, ultimately, that's why I don't question it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What the Ivys are refusing to address in this legitimate claim of discrimination by Aisians, is that the Ivys are penalizing far more qualified Asian students to admit black and other "affirmative action" admits who are far less qualified, but are given admissions "boosts" to enable these schools to foment their social engineering policies. It is not right, but there is nothing the Fed can do, or can they? In both the Texas state system and the University of Michigan, affirmative action programs have been found to be discriminatory towards other more qualified classes of students, i..e., whites and Asians. Could the Ivys be the next to fall? Could get interesting.

Why you think that Harvard would admit less qualified candidates says more about you than it does about Harvard. There is no way in hell Harvard, MIT, Stanford, and the others would ever admit anyone who couldn't do the work. But that's the excuse that people like you use to justify why you didn't get in.

I guess you would refuse to believe Harvard discriminated against Jews decades ago as well. The question is not whether Harvard admits people "who couldn't do the work". Anyone with 3.5 or above unweighted GPA and 2,000 SAT scores would be able to do the work. The question is whether Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in admissions in favor of other racial groups on the basis of race? The answer to that question is yes.

and again, your proof would be what, exactly? lots of assertions here with no evidence. the discrimination against Jews was documented, ultimately, that's why I don't question it.

The lawsuits and the complaints with Education Department/Justice Department hopefully will lead to more information being discovered. More information will lead to more factual evidence. However, Harvard is refusing to release relevant admission related information so we will see how that plays out. No need to refuse to release admission information if Harvard doesn't have anything to hide regarding admissions data.

[Anonymous]

There was a hard quota against Jew. There is no hard quota against Asians. Stop trying to equate the situations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There was a hard quota against Jew. There is no hard quota against Asians. Stop trying to equate the situations.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There was a hard quota against Jew. There is no hard quota against Asians. Stop trying to equate the situations.

Thank you! +100

Maybe they gotten smarter and the quota against Asian Americans is "soft" as opposed to "hard quota" as you put it. People do try to be more clever the next time they try to discriminate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What the Ivys are refusing to address in this legitimate claim of discrimination by Aisians, is that the Ivys are penalizing far more qualified Asian students to admit black and other "affirmative action" admits who are far less qualified, but are given admissions "boosts" to enable these schools to foment their social engineering policies. It is not right, but there is nothing the Fed can do, or can they? In both the Texas state system and the University of Michigan, affirmative action programs have been found to be discriminatory towards other more qualified classes of students, i..e., whites and Asians. Could the Ivys be the next to fall? Could get interesting.

Why you think that Harvard would admit less qualified candidates says more about you than it does about Harvard. There is no way in hell Harvard, MIT, Stanford, and the others would ever admit anyone who couldn't do the work. But that's the excuse that people like you use to justify why you didn't get in.

I guess you would refuse to believe Harvard discriminated against Jews decades ago as well. The question is not whether Harvard admits people "who couldn't do the work". Anyone with 3.5 or above unweighted GPA and 2,000 SAT scores would be able to do the work. The question is whether Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in admissions in favor of other racial groups on the basis of race? The answer to that question is yes.

and again, your proof would be what, exactly? lots of assertions here with no evidence. the discrimination against Jews was documented, ultimately, that's why I don't question it.

The lawsuits and the complaints with Education Department/Justice Department hopefully will lead to more information being discovered. More information will lead to more factual evidence. However, Harvard is refusing to release relevant admission related information so we will see how that plays out. No need to refuse to release admission information if Harvard doesn't have anything to hide regarding admissions data.

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[Anonymous]

Who needs evidence when we get Harvard convicted by a court of conspiracy theorists.

Let's wait until we see some actual evidence why don't we? Have any of those cases actually produced judgments?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There was a hard quota against Jew. There is no hard quota against Asians. Stop trying to equate the situations.

Thank you! +100

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