Harvard's odd quota on Asian-Americans

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The fact that you don't even recognize your own racism (e.g. African Americans are hyper-sensitive, demand and receive special treatment, keep bringing up race) suggests that your analysis of conversational dynamic around race aren't very reliable.

Similarly, your tendency to rely on snark and name-calling and to ignore or misrepresent substance whenever it undermines your POV, indicates that you don't really know WTF you're talking about and you sure as hell won't let facts get in the way of your opinions.

When you have a chance, go take some reading comprehension classes. May come handy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that you don't even recognize your own racism (e.g. African Americans are hyper-sensitive, demand and receive special treatment, keep bringing up race) suggests that your analysis of conversational dynamic around race aren't very reliable.

Similarly, your tendency to rely on snark and name-calling and to ignore or misrepresent substance whenever it undermines your POV, indicates that you don't really know WTF you're talking about and you sure as hell won't let facts get in the way of your opinions.

When you have a chance, go take some reading comprehension classes. May come handy.

Thanks for providing yet another example!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:speaking of agendas....

Why do you hate/resent African American professionals so much?

And do you have any evidence at all that their children are keeping *more qualified* first generation college African African students out of elite schools? Seems highly unlikely.

Are you opposed to legacy preferences generally?

No resentment here, I was just describing what you chose to ignore, driven by your obvious resentment against white students.

As for evidence, just look up this same thread, a few comments before ours:

1) "Overall, UC campuses are admitting more students from poor families than before the ban -- no surprise, perhaps, given demographic shifts and the system's post-Proposition 209 emphasis on reaching low-income students of all races. More than one third of the roughly 35,000 UC freshmen enrolled in 2010 came from families making less than $40,000, up from 28 percent in 1995. And even with record-high applications, the system's universities accepted 75 percent of all first-generation college students that year who applied."
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_23516740/affirmative-action-ban-at-uc-15-years-later

2) And, white and Latino admission rates have kept steady, while AA have gone down

3) Do your math

Sorry, forgot your last question. If it was up to me, I'd abolish legacy and sports preferences tomorrow. But in this thread we're talking about not discriminating against Asian Americans because of their race...which of course somehow has become a conversation about AAs.

Every third thread on DCUM for some reason. I am beginning to think that DCUM is obsessed with AA, in a very much negative way.

The reason, I believe, is 1) there are many AAs in this forum, which is natural given DC demographics, 2) some (or many) of them are obsessed with racial matters.

I never experienced a similar reaction in other parts of the country.

Nope. Jeff once said that AA were not well represented on DCUM. I don't think the numbers have suddenly jumped upward. Anecdotally, when I mention DCUM to my Black friends, the vast majority have said they stopped reading the racist site long ago. Their words.

Very good critical thinking there, with the "Jeff once said..."

It is pretty obvious that in the Off-topic and DCPS threads there's a lot of AAs. Perhaps Jeff meant there's not too many in the website overall, but that's irrelevant: Anyone who has posted in DCUM knows that, if a thread has anything to do with race, there will be tons of posts by self-declared AAs. True, those posters may be lying...but that's what they say.

And, IMO, if there's clear, unchecked racism in this forum, it is directed at Asians and Latinos (both legal and illegal immigrants) and Jews. Jeff does a good job at blocking or deleting anything, even if valid, that can hurt the apparently very sensitive nature of AAs. He seems to trust other minorities have more self-confidence.

Thanks for proving the point for us.

I'm out of here.

[Anonymous]

I'd hate to see one persistent bigot drive out more thoughtful posters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'd hate to see one persistent bigot drive out more thoughtful posters.

It is tiresome to continue an argument with an ignorant person. Why bother to expend your energy. That poster sounds like one of the same posters that derailed the other thread. Sigh

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'd hate to see one persistent bigot drive out more thoughtful posters.

You prefer to see a dozen persistent bigots drive out more thoughtful posters?

Newsflash: that has ALREADY happened.

[Anonymous]

No need to be nasty. I get that (and why) people have left this discussion. But wanted to indicate that I appreciated their substantive and informative posts and to do what I could to encourage them not to stop posting on this forum. (I think that the thread has pretty much died a natural death but the "I'm outta here" posts were ambiguous wrt whether "here" was DCUM, College forum, or just this particular discussion).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No need to be nasty. I get that (and why) people have left this discussion. But wanted to indicate that I appreciated their substantive and informative posts and to do what I could to encourage them not to stop posting on this forum. (I think that the thread has pretty much died a natural death but the "I'm outta here" posts were ambiguous wrt whether "here" was DCUM, College forum, or just this particular discussion).

I am AA and I am one of the "I am outta here" PPs. I won't speak for everyone but here is what I meant. I come to this forum voluntarily to get other folks' insights on issues that I encounter as a parent, a DIL and a DW. On that front, DCUM has mostly been helpful and I think that underscores my belief that most of us want the same things out of life and parenthood. Against my better judgment, I sometimes stray into the political forum and certain other threads where race and the like are discussed. That is my own fault. That fact that folks can remain anon gives people on both sides the courage to push the envelope. What hits my spirit is the possibility that some of you are my neighbors, other parents at our schools, parents of my kids' friends. That while most of you are cordial to my face, you harbor some of the same stereotypes that my DH and I have worked so hard to dispel in our own kids. I am pretty open minded and do not lob insults or name call. Even if I disagree, I am respectful and I feel that I have a lot to add to discussions like this. But as another PP said, why waste the energy trying to fight against the few who really go hard. It is easier to leave or to limit your presence to the less inflammatory topics. The latter is what I meant.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for your response. I know what you mean about how demoralizing it is to think that the attitudes you see here are pervasive at school, in our neighborhoods, etc. but only get expressed candidly in an anonymous forum.

[Anonymous]

"To gain entry into top private schools such as Harvard or the best public schools such as the University of North Carolina–Chapel Hill, no one has to do better than Americans of Chinese or Japanese or Korean descent. To make room for black, Latino, and — yes — white students, deserving Asian Americans are pushed aside. And they’re tired of it."

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418530/what-ivy-league-affirmative-action-really-looks-inside-david-french

[Anonymous]

Seriously? You're posting that again? It had a thread of its own last month.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seriously? You're posting that again? It had a thread of its own last month.

Yes, and we all know what a bastion of equality and fair play the conservative National Review is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No need to be nasty. I get that (and why) people have left this discussion. But wanted to indicate that I appreciated their substantive and informative posts and to do what I could to encourage them not to stop posting on this forum. (I think that the thread has pretty much died a natural death but the "I'm outta here" posts were ambiguous wrt whether "here" was DCUM, College forum, or just this particular discussion).

I am AA and I am one of the "I am outta here" PPs. I won't speak for everyone but here is what I meant. I come to this forum voluntarily to get other folks' insights on issues that I encounter as a parent, a DIL and a DW. On that front, DCUM has mostly been helpful and I think that underscores my belief that most of us want the same things out of life and parenthood. Against my better judgment, I sometimes stray into the political forum and certain other threads where race and the like are discussed. That is my own fault. That fact that folks can remain anon gives people on both sides the courage to push the envelope. What hits my spirit is the possibility that some of you are my neighbors, other parents at our schools, parents of my kids' friends. That while most of you are cordial to my face, you harbor some of the same stereotypes that my DH and I have worked so hard to dispel in our own kids. I am pretty open minded and do not lob insults or name call. Even if I disagree, I am respectful and I feel that I have a lot to add to discussions like this. But as another PP said, why waste the energy trying to fight against the few who really go hard. It is easier to leave or to limit your presence to the less inflammatory topics. The latter is what I meant.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No need to be nasty. I get that (and why) people have left this discussion. But wanted to indicate that I appreciated their substantive and informative posts and to do what I could to encourage them not to stop posting on this forum. (I think that the thread has pretty much died a natural death but the "I'm outta here" posts were ambiguous wrt whether "here" was DCUM, College forum, or just this particular discussion).

I am AA and I am one of the "I am outta here" PPs. I won't speak for everyone but here is what I meant. I come to this forum voluntarily to get other folks' insights on issues that I encounter as a parent, a DIL and a DW. On that front, DCUM has mostly been helpful and I think that underscores my belief that most of us want the same things out of life and parenthood. Against my better judgment, I sometimes stray into the political forum and certain other threads where race and the like are discussed. That is my own fault. That fact that folks can remain anon gives people on both sides the courage to push the envelope. What hits my spirit is the possibility that some of you are my neighbors, other parents at our schools, parents of my kids' friends. That while most of you are cordial to my face, you harbor some of the same stereotypes that my DH and I have worked so hard to dispel in our own kids. I am pretty open minded and do not lob insults or name call. Even if I disagree, I am respectful and I feel that I have a lot to add to discussions like this. But as another PP said, why waste the energy trying to fight against the few who really go hard. It is easier to leave or to limit your presence to the less inflammatory topics. The latter is what I meant.

Bye! We won't miss you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No need to be nasty. I get that (and why) people have left this discussion. But wanted to indicate that I appreciated their substantive and informative posts and to do what I could to encourage them not to stop posting on this forum. (I think that the thread has pretty much died a natural death but the "I'm outta here" posts were ambiguous wrt whether "here" was DCUM, College forum, or just this particular discussion).

I am AA and I am one of the "I am outta here" PPs. I won't speak for everyone but here is what I meant. I come to this forum voluntarily to get other folks' insights on issues that I encounter as a parent, a DIL and a DW. On that front, DCUM has mostly been helpful and I think that underscores my belief that most of us want the same things out of life and parenthood. Against my better judgment, I sometimes stray into the political forum and certain other threads where race and the like are discussed. That is my own fault. That fact that folks can remain anon gives people on both sides the courage to push the envelope. What hits my spirit is the possibility that some of you are my neighbors, other parents at our schools, parents of my kids' friends. That while most of you are cordial to my face, you harbor some of the same stereotypes that my DH and I have worked so hard to dispel in our own kids. I am pretty open minded and do not lob insults or name call. Even if I disagree, I am respectful and I feel that I have a lot to add to discussions like this. But as another PP said, why waste the energy trying to fight against the few who really go hard. It is easier to leave or to limit your presence to the less inflammatory topics. The latter is what I meant.

Bye! We won't miss you!

I will most definitely miss the PP who intelligently stated her case whether one agrees with her or not.

You, on the other hand, with your immaturity and inability to form an intelligent argument are summarily dismissed.