Harvard's odd quota on Asian-Americans

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No need to be nasty. I get that (and why) people have left this discussion. But wanted to indicate that I appreciated their substantive and informative posts and to do what I could to encourage them not to stop posting on this forum. (I think that the thread has pretty much died a natural death but the "I'm outta here" posts were ambiguous wrt whether "here" was DCUM, College forum, or just this particular discussion).

I am AA and I am one of the "I am outta here" PPs. I won't speak for everyone but here is what I meant. I come to this forum voluntarily to get other folks' insights on issues that I encounter as a parent, a DIL and a DW. On that front, DCUM has mostly been helpful and I think that underscores my belief that most of us want the same things out of life and parenthood. Against my better judgment, I sometimes stray into the political forum and certain other threads where race and the like are discussed. That is my own fault. That fact that folks can remain anon gives people on both sides the courage to push the envelope. What hits my spirit is the possibility that some of you are my neighbors, other parents at our schools, parents of my kids' friends. That while most of you are cordial to my face, you harbor some of the same stereotypes that my DH and I have worked so hard to dispel in our own kids. I am pretty open minded and do not lob insults or name call. Even if I disagree, I am respectful and I feel that I have a lot to add to discussions like this. But as another PP said, why waste the energy trying to fight against the few who really go hard. It is easier to leave or to limit your presence to the less inflammatory topics. The latter is what I meant.

Bye! We won't miss you!

Are you like this IRL? Have you passed this kind of behavior onto your kids or are they ashamed of you? Is your only way of winning an argument to be such an a-hole that everyone just refuses to have anything to do with you? If so, rejoice -- you've won -- though I'm not sure what. You're not right, you haven't persuaded anyone, you haven't learned anything, and you've left the environment significantly more toxic than you found it. Congrats!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No need to be nasty. I get that (and why) people have left this discussion. But wanted to indicate that I appreciated their substantive and informative posts and to do what I could to encourage them not to stop posting on this forum. (I think that the thread has pretty much died a natural death but the "I'm outta here" posts were ambiguous wrt whether "here" was DCUM, College forum, or just this particular discussion).

I am AA and I am one of the "I am outta here" PPs. I won't speak for everyone but here is what I meant. I come to this forum voluntarily to get other folks' insights on issues that I encounter as a parent, a DIL and a DW. On that front, DCUM has mostly been helpful and I think that underscores my belief that most of us want the same things out of life and parenthood. Against my better judgment, I sometimes stray into the political forum and certain other threads where race and the like are discussed. That is my own fault. That fact that folks can remain anon gives people on both sides the courage to push the envelope. What hits my spirit is the possibility that some of you are my neighbors, other parents at our schools, parents of my kids' friends. That while most of you are cordial to my face, you harbor some of the same stereotypes that my DH and I have worked so hard to dispel in our own kids. I am pretty open minded and do not lob insults or name call. Even if I disagree, I am respectful and I feel that I have a lot to add to discussions like this. But as another PP said, why waste the energy trying to fight against the few who really go hard. It is easier to leave or to limit your presence to the less inflammatory topics. The latter is what I meant.

Bye! We won't miss you!

Are you like this IRL? Have you passed this kind of behavior onto your kids or are they ashamed of you? Is your only way of winning an argument to be such an a-hole that everyone just refuses to have anything to do with you? If so, rejoice -- you've won -- though I'm not sure what. You're not right, you haven't persuaded anyone, you haven't learned anything, and you've left the environment significantly more toxic than you found it. Congrats!

+1. I couldn't agree with you more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No need to be nasty. I get that (and why) people have left this discussion. But wanted to indicate that I appreciated their substantive and informative posts and to do what I could to encourage them not to stop posting on this forum. (I think that the thread has pretty much died a natural death but the "I'm outta here" posts were ambiguous wrt whether "here" was DCUM, College forum, or just this particular discussion).

I am AA and I am one of the "I am outta here" PPs. I won't speak for everyone but here is what I meant. I come to this forum voluntarily to get other folks' insights on issues that I encounter as a parent, a DIL and a DW. On that front, DCUM has mostly been helpful and I think that underscores my belief that most of us want the same things out of life and parenthood. Against my better judgment, I sometimes stray into the political forum and certain other threads where race and the like are discussed. That is my own fault. That fact that folks can remain anon gives people on both sides the courage to push the envelope. What hits my spirit is the possibility that some of you are my neighbors, other parents at our schools, parents of my kids' friends. That while most of you are cordial to my face, you harbor some of the same stereotypes that my DH and I have worked so hard to dispel in our own kids. I am pretty open minded and do not lob insults or name call. Even if I disagree, I am respectful and I feel that I have a lot to add to discussions like this. But as another PP said, why waste the energy trying to fight against the few who really go hard. It is easier to leave or to limit your presence to the less inflammatory topics. The latter is what I meant.

Bye! We won't miss you!

Are you like this IRL? Have you passed this kind of behavior onto your kids or are they ashamed of you? Is your only way of winning an argument to be such an a-hole that everyone just refuses to have anything to do with you? If so, rejoice -- you've won -- though I'm not sure what. You're not right, you haven't persuaded anyone, you haven't learned anything, and you've left the environment significantly more toxic than you found it. Congrats!

Why are coming back?
I won't argue with anyone with agendas, whether she is black or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No need to be nasty. I get that (and why) people have left this discussion. But wanted to indicate that I appreciated their substantive and informative posts and to do what I could to encourage them not to stop posting on this forum. (I think that the thread has pretty much died a natural death but the "I'm outta here" posts were ambiguous wrt whether "here" was DCUM, College forum, or just this particular discussion).

I am AA and I am one of the "I am outta here" PPs. I won't speak for everyone but here is what I meant. I come to this forum voluntarily to get other folks' insights on issues that I encounter as a parent, a DIL and a DW. On that front, DCUM has mostly been helpful and I think that underscores my belief that most of us want the same things out of life and parenthood. Against my better judgment, I sometimes stray into the political forum and certain other threads where race and the like are discussed. That is my own fault. That fact that folks can remain anon gives people on both sides the courage to push the envelope. What hits my spirit is the possibility that some of you are my neighbors, other parents at our schools, parents of my kids' friends. That while most of you are cordial to my face, you harbor some of the same stereotypes that my DH and I have worked so hard to dispel in our own kids. I am pretty open minded and do not lob insults or name call. Even if I disagree, I am respectful and I feel that I have a lot to add to discussions like this. But as another PP said, why waste the energy trying to fight against the few who really go hard. It is easier to leave or to limit your presence to the less inflammatory topics. The latter is what I meant.

Bye! We won't miss you!

Are you like this IRL? Have you passed this kind of behavior onto your kids or are they ashamed of you? Is your only way of winning an argument to be such an a-hole that everyone just refuses to have anything to do with you? If so, rejoice -- you've won -- though I'm not sure what. You're not right, you haven't persuaded anyone, you haven't learned anything, and you've left the environment significantly more toxic than you found it. Congrats!

+1. I couldn't agree with you more.

And I'm assuming you're talking about the 'bye' poster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No need to be nasty. I get that (and why) people have left this discussion. But wanted to indicate that I appreciated their substantive and informative posts and to do what I could to encourage them not to stop posting on this forum. (I think that the thread has pretty much died a natural death but the "I'm outta here" posts were ambiguous wrt whether "here" was DCUM, College forum, or just this particular discussion).

I am AA and I am one of the "I am outta here" PPs. I won't speak for everyone but here is what I meant. I come to this forum voluntarily to get other folks' insights on issues that I encounter as a parent, a DIL and a DW. On that front, DCUM has mostly been helpful and I think that underscores my belief that most of us want the same things out of life and parenthood. Against my better judgment, I sometimes stray into the political forum and certain other threads where race and the like are discussed. That is my own fault. That fact that folks can remain anon gives people on both sides the courage to push the envelope. What hits my spirit is the possibility that some of you are my neighbors, other parents at our schools, parents of my kids' friends. That while most of you are cordial to my face, you harbor some of the same stereotypes that my DH and I have worked so hard to dispel in our own kids. I am pretty open minded and do not lob insults or name call. Even if I disagree, I am respectful and I feel that I have a lot to add to discussions like this. But as another PP said, why waste the energy trying to fight against the few who really go hard. It is easier to leave or to limit your presence to the less inflammatory topics. The latter is what I meant.

I don't blame you for leaving and will join you. What a toxic, nasty, wasteland of a thread this evolved into.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No need to be nasty. I get that (and why) people have left this discussion. But wanted to indicate that I appreciated their substantive and informative posts and to do what I could to encourage them not to stop posting on this forum. (I think that the thread has pretty much died a natural death but the "I'm outta here" posts were ambiguous wrt whether "here" was DCUM, College forum, or just this particular discussion).

I am AA and I am one of the "I am outta here" PPs. I won't speak for everyone but here is what I meant. I come to this forum voluntarily to get other folks' insights on issues that I encounter as a parent, a DIL and a DW. On that front, DCUM has mostly been helpful and I think that underscores my belief that most of us want the same things out of life and parenthood. Against my better judgment, I sometimes stray into the political forum and certain other threads where race and the like are discussed. That is my own fault. That fact that folks can remain anon gives people on both sides the courage to push the envelope. What hits my spirit is the possibility that some of you are my neighbors, other parents at our schools, parents of my kids' friends. That while most of you are cordial to my face, you harbor some of the same stereotypes that my DH and I have worked so hard to dispel in our own kids. I am pretty open minded and do not lob insults or name call. Even if I disagree, I am respectful and I feel that I have a lot to add to discussions like this. But as another PP said, why waste the energy trying to fight against the few who really go hard. It is easier to leave or to limit your presence to the less inflammatory topics. The latter is what I meant.

I don't blame you for leaving and will join you. What a toxic, nasty, wasteland of a thread this evolved into.

Gosh! Just leave all!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No need to be nasty. I get that (and why) people have left this discussion. But wanted to indicate that I appreciated their substantive and informative posts and to do what I could to encourage them not to stop posting on this forum. (I think that the thread has pretty much died a natural death but the "I'm outta here" posts were ambiguous wrt whether "here" was DCUM, College forum, or just this particular discussion).

I am AA and I am one of the "I am outta here" PPs. I won't speak for everyone but here is what I meant. I come to this forum voluntarily to get other folks' insights on issues that I encounter as a parent, a DIL and a DW. On that front, DCUM has mostly been helpful and I think that underscores my belief that most of us want the same things out of life and parenthood. Against my better judgment, I sometimes stray into the political forum and certain other threads where race and the like are discussed. That is my own fault. That fact that folks can remain anon gives people on both sides the courage to push the envelope. What hits my spirit is the possibility that some of you are my neighbors, other parents at our schools, parents of my kids' friends. That while most of you are cordial to my face, you harbor some of the same stereotypes that my DH and I have worked so hard to dispel in our own kids. I am pretty open minded and do not lob insults or name call. Even if I disagree, I am respectful and I feel that I have a lot to add to discussions like this. But as another PP said, why waste the energy trying to fight against the few who really go hard. It is easier to leave or to limit your presence to the less inflammatory topics. The latter is what I meant.

I don't blame you for leaving and will join you. What a toxic, nasty, wasteland of a thread this evolved into.

Gosh! Just leave already!

[Anonymous]

^^^You now have the litter box all to yourself. Enjoy.

[Anonymous]

Former Ivy League Dean explains some of the reasons he says Asian-Americans get rejected.

In summary, not only is it because of your ethnicity in addition to that you don't have the legacy status that other student profiles have, you aren't as athletic as other student profiles, you don't have the wealth to be considered hefty donors and lastly, you don't use connections to get in the way other student profiles do.

Slapped down five different ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Former Ivy League Dean explains some of the reasons he says Asian-Americans get rejected.

In summary, not only is it because of your ethnicity in addition to that you don't have the legacy status that other student profiles have, you aren't as athletic as other student profiles, you don't have the wealth to be considered hefty donors and lastly, you don't use connections to get in the way other student profiles do.

Slapped down five different ways.

I heard a guy on BBC who owns a company that helps Asian Students get into ivies. He said the problem is that all of the applicants look the same. They all play similar instruments like the violin, they don't play team sports, etc. He tries to work with them early to change their profile. This is honestly no different than for AA students. If your kid likes basketball like mine does, he quite frankly looks like every one else. He needs a hook. He played hockey for a long time and I wanted him to continue because I knew that was a hook. Same for Asian students. All same scores so how do you make yourself stand out so the school gets a diverse class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Former Ivy League Dean explains some of the reasons he says Asian-Americans get rejected.

In summary, not only is it because of your ethnicity in addition to that you don't have the legacy status that other student profiles have, you aren't as athletic as other student profiles, you don't have the wealth to be considered hefty donors and lastly, you don't use connections to get in the way other student profiles do.

Slapped down five different ways.

I heard a guy on BBC who owns a company that helps Asian Students get into ivies. He said the problem is that all of the applicants look the same. They all play similar instruments like the violin, they don't play team sports, etc. He tries to work with them early to change their profile. This is honestly no different than for AA students. If your kid likes basketball like mine does, he quite frankly looks like every one else. He needs a hook. He played hockey for a long time and I wanted him to continue because I knew that was a hook. Same for Asian students. All same scores so how do you make yourself stand out so the school gets a diverse class.

What's the problem they have similar profiles if they're all good? You can always find a way to discriminate no matter what they do.
So Asians, stop wasting your time changing your life and profile. This won't change the result. The only way that works is fight!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Former Ivy League Dean explains some of the reasons he says Asian-Americans get rejected.

In summary, not only is it because of your ethnicity in addition to that you don't have the legacy status that other student profiles have, you aren't as athletic as other student profiles, you don't have the wealth to be considered hefty donors and lastly, you don't use connections to get in the way other student profiles do.

Slapped down five different ways.

Asians are going after low hanging fruit by fighting against URM admissions. Why don't Asians fight against legacy or athletic admissions -- they take far more spots and the athletes at least generally have way lesser academic credentials.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Former Ivy League Dean explains some of the reasons he says Asian-Americans get rejected.

In summary, not only is it because of your ethnicity in addition to that you don't have the legacy status that other student profiles have, you aren't as athletic as other student profiles, you don't have the wealth to be considered hefty donors and lastly, you don't use connections to get in the way other student profiles do.

Slapped down five different ways.

I heard a guy on BBC who owns a company that helps Asian Students get into ivies. He said the problem is that all of the applicants look the same. They all play similar instruments like the violin, they don't play team sports, etc. He tries to work with them early to change their profile. This is honestly no different than for AA students. If your kid likes basketball like mine does, he quite frankly looks like every one else. He needs a hook. He played hockey for a long time and I wanted him to continue because I knew that was a hook. Same for Asian students. All same scores so how do you make yourself stand out so the school gets a diverse class.

What's the problem they have similar profiles if they're all good? You can always find a way to discriminate no matter what they do.
So Asians, stop wasting your time changing your life and profile. This won't change the result. The only way that works is fight!

Because they want a diverse population, which adds to the richness of the experience. When I say diversity, I mean everything - geographic, race, income, sports, arts, etc. Hey, if you want to get into an ivy, move to Montana.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Former Ivy League Dean explains some of the reasons he says Asian-Americans get rejected.

In summary, not only is it because of your ethnicity in addition to that you don't have the legacy status that other student profiles have, you aren't as athletic as other student profiles, you don't have the wealth to be considered hefty donors and lastly, you don't use connections to get in the way other student profiles do.

Slapped down five different ways.

Asians are going after low hanging fruit by fighting against URM admissions. Why don't Asians fight against legacy or athletic admissions -- they take far more spots and the athletes at least generally have way lesser academic credentials.

Thank you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Former Ivy League Dean explains some of the reasons he says Asian-Americans get rejected.

In summary, not only is it because of your ethnicity in addition to that you don't have the legacy status that other student profiles have, you aren't as athletic as other student profiles, you don't have the wealth to be considered hefty donors and lastly, you don't use connections to get in the way other student profiles do.

Slapped down five different ways.

I heard a guy on BBC who owns a company that helps Asian Students get into ivies. He said the problem is that all of the applicants look the same. They all play similar instruments like the violin, they don't play team sports, etc. He tries to work with them early to change their profile. This is honestly no different than for AA students. If your kid likes basketball like mine does, he quite frankly looks like every one else. He needs a hook. He played hockey for a long time and I wanted him to continue because I knew that was a hook. Same for Asian students. All same scores so how do you make yourself stand out so the school gets a diverse class.

What's the problem they have similar profiles if they're all good? You can always find a way to discriminate no matter what they do.
So Asians, stop wasting your time changing your life and profile. This won't change the result. The only way that works is fight!

Good is in the eye of the beholder.