Ivy League Affirmative Action from the inside

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that Stanford occupies a higher moral ground than Berkeley because the percentage of blacks in the freshman class is higher than that of Berkeley is just downright vile, evil and revolting . Stanford enrolls blacks out of pure self interest and not love for any altruistic reason and certainly not because they love blacks. Private schools like Stanford are nothing but businesses just like Mcdonald's or Starbucks around the corner hence their primary interest is their financial and economic survival hence their widespread practice of legacy preferences and certainly not to spread justice and fairness in this world.

That garbage " Critical Mass Theory " claims that the more blacks there are in a university, the happier blacks will be , the more likely to graduate and way well into the road of happiness and fulfillment in life. What a bunch of crock. Prop 200 in the State of Washington banned race preferences in the year 2000 more than a decade ago. Blacks make up 2.4% of the undergraduates in the University of Washington- Seattle. In the state of Indiana , at the University Indiana Blooimington, blacks made up about 5.6 % of the undergraduates. For the 2005 freshman class of U of Washington-Seattle, the gap in the 6 year graduation rates was 13%. For Indiana Bloomington and its 2005 freshmen class the gap in the 6 year graduation rates between whites and blacks was a staggering 28%, 7 points higher than that of Berkeley.

You would think that since there are more blacks both in terms of percentage and absolute numbers at Indiana Bloomington compared to U of Washington Seattle, the gap in 6 year graduation rates between blacks and whites would be smaller than 13 %, instead what happened was the complete opposite . That is what race preferences does for you. The more a public school practices race preferences, the greater the gap in 6 year graduation rates of blacks and whites will be. That pattern is repeated in every public university in the nation. In states where they have banned race preferences like Georgia or Florida, the 6 year graduation rates of blacks in its public universities are close to, equal to or HIGHER than that of whites in its public universities.

Geez...why do so many of folks on here come for Blacks? Based on your own numbers, Blacks would take up 24 out of a class of 1000 at UW and 56 out of a class of 1000 at IU. That is the magnitude of the impact that folks are arguing about. Instead of worrying about how your kids can get one of those 900+ spots, you guys are focused on the relatively few spots that the Blacks get. My goodness, it is not like half the class is Black.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that Stanford occupies a higher moral ground than Berkeley because the percentage of blacks in the freshman class is higher than that of Berkeley is just downright vile, evil and revolting . Stanford enrolls blacks out of pure self interest and not love for any altruistic reason and certainly not because they love blacks. Private schools like Stanford are nothing but businesses just like Mcdonald's or Starbucks around the corner hence their primary interest is their financial and economic survival hence their widespread practice of legacy preferences and certainly not to spread justice and fairness in this world.

That garbage " Critical Mass Theory " claims that the more blacks there are in a university, the happier blacks will be , the more likely to graduate and way well into the road of happiness and fulfillment in life. What a bunch of crock. Prop 200 in the State of Washington banned race preferences in the year 2000 more than a decade ago. Blacks make up 2.4% of the undergraduates in the University of Washington- Seattle. In the state of Indiana , at the University Indiana Blooimington, blacks made up about 5.6 % of the undergraduates. For the 2005 freshman class of U of Washington-Seattle, the gap in the 6 year graduation rates was 13%. For Indiana Bloomington and its 2005 freshmen class the gap in the 6 year graduation rates between whites and blacks was a staggering 28%, 7 points higher than that of Berkeley.

You would think that since there are more blacks both in terms of percentage and absolute numbers at Indiana Bloomington compared to U of Washington Seattle, the gap in 6 year graduation rates between blacks and whites would be smaller than 13 %, instead what happened was the complete opposite . That is what race preferences does for you. The more a public school practices race preferences, the greater the gap in 6 year graduation rates of blacks and whites will be. That pattern is repeated in every public university in the nation. In states where they have banned race preferences like Georgia or Florida, the 6 year graduation rates of blacks in its public universities are close to, equal to or HIGHER than that of whites in its public universities.

Geez...why do so many of folks on here come for Blacks? Based on your own numbers, Blacks would take up 24 out of a class of 1000 at UW and 56 out of a class of 1000 at IU. That is the magnitude of the impact that folks are arguing about. Instead of worrying about how your kids can get one of those 900+ spots, you guys are focused on the relatively few spots that the Blacks get. My goodness, it is not like half the class is Black.

I think the point was that racial preference in admissions will result in "mismatch' of academics and less on-time graduation for the favored racial group.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that Stanford occupies a higher moral ground than Berkeley because the percentage of blacks in the freshman class is higher than that of Berkeley is just downright vile, evil and revolting . Stanford enrolls blacks out of pure self interest and not love for any altruistic reason and certainly not because they love blacks. Private schools like Stanford are nothing but businesses just like Mcdonald's or Starbucks around the corner hence their primary interest is their financial and economic survival hence their widespread practice of legacy preferences and certainly not to spread justice and fairness in this world.

That garbage " Critical Mass Theory " claims that the more blacks there are in a university, the happier blacks will be , the more likely to graduate and way well into the road of happiness and fulfillment in life. What a bunch of crock. Prop 200 in the State of Washington banned race preferences in the year 2000 more than a decade ago. Blacks make up 2.4% of the undergraduates in the University of Washington- Seattle. In the state of Indiana , at the University Indiana Blooimington, blacks made up about 5.6 % of the undergraduates. For the 2005 freshman class of U of Washington-Seattle, the gap in the 6 year graduation rates was 13%. For Indiana Bloomington and its 2005 freshmen class the gap in the 6 year graduation rates between whites and blacks was a staggering 28%, 7 points higher than that of Berkeley.

You would think that since there are more blacks both in terms of percentage and absolute numbers at Indiana Bloomington compared to U of Washington Seattle, the gap in 6 year graduation rates between blacks and whites would be smaller than 13 %, instead what happened was the complete opposite . That is what race preferences does for you. The more a public school practices race preferences, the greater the gap in 6 year graduation rates of blacks and whites will be. That pattern is repeated in every public university in the nation. In states where they have banned race preferences like Georgia or Florida, the 6 year graduation rates of blacks in its public universities are close to, equal to or HIGHER than that of whites in its public universities.

Geez...why do so many of folks on here come for Blacks? Based on your own numbers, Blacks would take up 24 out of a class of 1000 at UW and 56 out of a class of 1000 at IU. That is the magnitude of the impact that folks are arguing about. Instead of worrying about how your kids can get one of those 900+ spots, you guys are focused on the relatively few spots that the Blacks get. My goodness, it is not like half the class is Black.

Actually, Asians are targeted more than blacks on here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hate to tell a lot of you this, but most minorities do not give a rat's ass how we got the opportunity or what you call it, or even waht you think about it - we just want the opportunity. The shame and stigma that some assign to Affirmative Action is a White person's thing.

Further, the data that I have seen (I used to work in a university setting) shows that the level of academic attrition among White, Black and Latinos is very similar - and much lower for Asian students. So...it is not like these kids are getting into these schools and flunking out at a higher rate.

Cites, please.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that Stanford occupies a higher moral ground than Berkeley because the percentage of blacks in the freshman class is higher than that of Berkeley is just downright vile, evil and revolting . Stanford enrolls blacks out of pure self interest and not love for any altruistic reason and certainly not because they love blacks. Private schools like Stanford are nothing but businesses just like Mcdonald's or Starbucks around the corner hence their primary interest is their financial and economic survival hence their widespread practice of legacy preferences and certainly not to spread justice and fairness in this world.

That garbage " Critical Mass Theory " claims that the more blacks there are in a university, the happier blacks will be , the more likely to graduate and way well into the road of happiness and fulfillment in life. What a bunch of crock. Prop 200 in the State of Washington banned race preferences in the year 2000 more than a decade ago. Blacks make up 2.4% of the undergraduates in the University of Washington- Seattle. In the state of Indiana , at the University Indiana Blooimington, blacks made up about 5.6 % of the undergraduates. For the 2005 freshman class of U of Washington-Seattle, the gap in the 6 year graduation rates was 13%. For Indiana Bloomington and its 2005 freshmen class the gap in the 6 year graduation rates between whites and blacks was a staggering 28%, 7 points higher than that of Berkeley.

You would think that since there are more blacks both in terms of percentage and absolute numbers at Indiana Bloomington compared to U of Washington Seattle, the gap in 6 year graduation rates between blacks and whites would be smaller than 13 %, instead what happened was the complete opposite . That is what race preferences does for you. The more a public school practices race preferences, the greater the gap in 6 year graduation rates of blacks and whites will be. That pattern is repeated in every public university in the nation. In states where they have banned race preferences like Georgia or Florida, the 6 year graduation rates of blacks in its public universities are close to, equal to or HIGHER than that of whites in its public universities.

Geez...why do so many of folks on here come for Blacks? Based on your own numbers, Blacks would take up 24 out of a class of 1000 at UW and 56 out of a class of 1000 at IU. That is the magnitude of the impact that folks are arguing about. Instead of worrying about how your kids can get one of those 900+ spots, you guys are focused on the relatively few spots that the Blacks get. My goodness, it is not like half the class is Black.

Actually, Asians are targeted more than blacks on here.

Racist whites fear competition.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that Stanford occupies a higher moral ground than Berkeley because the percentage of blacks in the freshman class is higher than that of Berkeley is just downright vile, evil and revolting . Stanford enrolls blacks out of pure self interest and not love for any altruistic reason and certainly not because they love blacks. Private schools like Stanford are nothing but businesses just like Mcdonald's or Starbucks around the corner hence their primary interest is their financial and economic survival hence their widespread practice of legacy preferences and certainly not to spread justice and fairness in this world.

That garbage " Critical Mass Theory " claims that the more blacks there are in a university, the happier blacks will be , the more likely to graduate and way well into the road of happiness and fulfillment in life. What a bunch of crock. Prop 200 in the State of Washington banned race preferences in the year 2000 more than a decade ago. Blacks make up 2.4% of the undergraduates in the University of Washington- Seattle. In the state of Indiana , at the University Indiana Blooimington, blacks made up about 5.6 % of the undergraduates. For the 2005 freshman class of U of Washington-Seattle, the gap in the 6 year graduation rates was 13%. For Indiana Bloomington and its 2005 freshmen class the gap in the 6 year graduation rates between whites and blacks was a staggering 28%, 7 points higher than that of Berkeley.

You would think that since there are more blacks both in terms of percentage and absolute numbers at Indiana Bloomington compared to U of Washington Seattle, the gap in 6 year graduation rates between blacks and whites would be smaller than 13 %, instead what happened was the complete opposite . That is what race preferences does for you. The more a public school practices race preferences, the greater the gap in 6 year graduation rates of blacks and whites will be. That pattern is repeated in every public university in the nation. In states where they have banned race preferences like Georgia or Florida, the 6 year graduation rates of blacks in its public universities are close to, equal to or HIGHER than that of whites in its public universities.

Geez...why do so many of folks on here come for Blacks? Based on your own numbers, Blacks would take up 24 out of a class of 1000 at UW and 56 out of a class of 1000 at IU. That is the magnitude of the impact that folks are arguing about. Instead of worrying about how your kids can get one of those 900+ spots, you guys are focused on the relatively few spots that the Blacks get. My goodness, it is not like half the class is Black.

Actually, Asians are targeted more than blacks on here.

Racist whites fear competition.

In my experience I has not been Caucasians targeting Asians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that Stanford occupies a higher moral ground than Berkeley because the percentage of blacks in the freshman class is higher than that of Berkeley is just downright vile, evil and revolting . Stanford enrolls blacks out of pure self interest and not love for any altruistic reason and certainly not because they love blacks. Private schools like Stanford are nothing but businesses just like Mcdonald's or Starbucks around the corner hence their primary interest is their financial and economic survival hence their widespread practice of legacy preferences and certainly not to spread justice and fairness in this world.

That garbage " Critical Mass Theory " claims that the more blacks there are in a university, the happier blacks will be , the more likely to graduate and way well into the road of happiness and fulfillment in life. What a bunch of crock. Prop 200 in the State of Washington banned race preferences in the year 2000 more than a decade ago. Blacks make up 2.4% of the undergraduates in the University of Washington- Seattle. In the state of Indiana , at the University Indiana Blooimington, blacks made up about 5.6 % of the undergraduates. For the 2005 freshman class of U of Washington-Seattle, the gap in the 6 year graduation rates was 13%. For Indiana Bloomington and its 2005 freshmen class the gap in the 6 year graduation rates between whites and blacks was a staggering 28%, 7 points higher than that of Berkeley.

You would think that since there are more blacks both in terms of percentage and absolute numbers at Indiana Bloomington compared to U of Washington Seattle, the gap in 6 year graduation rates between blacks and whites would be smaller than 13 %, instead what happened was the complete opposite . That is what race preferences does for you. The more a public school practices race preferences, the greater the gap in 6 year graduation rates of blacks and whites will be. That pattern is repeated in every public university in the nation. In states where they have banned race preferences like Georgia or Florida, the 6 year graduation rates of blacks in its public universities are close to, equal to or HIGHER than that of whites in its public universities.

Geez...why do so many of folks on here come for Blacks? Based on your own numbers, Blacks would take up 24 out of a class of 1000 at UW and 56 out of a class of 1000 at IU. That is the magnitude of the impact that folks are arguing about. Instead of worrying about how your kids can get one of those 900+ spots, you guys are focused on the relatively few spots that the Blacks get. My goodness, it is not like half the class is Black.

Actually, Asians are targeted more than blacks on here.

Racist whites fear competition.

In my experience I has not been Caucasians targeting Asians.

I think you missed the crucial part of the message "on here". Try reading more carefully.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that Stanford occupies a higher moral ground than Berkeley because the percentage of blacks in the freshman class is higher than that of Berkeley is just downright vile, evil and revolting . Stanford enrolls blacks out of pure self interest and not love for any altruistic reason and certainly not because they love blacks. Private schools like Stanford are nothing but businesses just like Mcdonald's or Starbucks around the corner hence their primary interest is their financial and economic survival hence their widespread practice of legacy preferences and certainly not to spread justice and fairness in this world.

That garbage " Critical Mass Theory " claims that the more blacks there are in a university, the happier blacks will be , the more likely to graduate and way well into the road of happiness and fulfillment in life. What a bunch of crock. Prop 200 in the State of Washington banned race preferences in the year 2000 more than a decade ago. Blacks make up 2.4% of the undergraduates in the University of Washington- Seattle. In the state of Indiana , at the University Indiana Blooimington, blacks made up about 5.6 % of the undergraduates. For the 2005 freshman class of U of Washington-Seattle, the gap in the 6 year graduation rates was 13%. For Indiana Bloomington and its 2005 freshmen class the gap in the 6 year graduation rates between whites and blacks was a staggering 28%, 7 points higher than that of Berkeley.

You would think that since there are more blacks both in terms of percentage and absolute numbers at Indiana Bloomington compared to U of Washington Seattle, the gap in 6 year graduation rates between blacks and whites would be smaller than 13 %, instead what happened was the complete opposite . That is what race preferences does for you. The more a public school practices race preferences, the greater the gap in 6 year graduation rates of blacks and whites will be. That pattern is repeated in every public university in the nation. In states where they have banned race preferences like Georgia or Florida, the 6 year graduation rates of blacks in its public universities are close to, equal to or HIGHER than that of whites in its public universities.

Geez...why do so many of folks on here come for Blacks? Based on your own numbers, Blacks would take up 24 out of a class of 1000 at UW and 56 out of a class of 1000 at IU. That is the magnitude of the impact that folks are arguing about. Instead of worrying about how your kids can get one of those 900+ spots, you guys are focused on the relatively few spots that the Blacks get. My goodness, it is not like half the class is Black.

I think the point was that racial preference in admissions will result in "mismatch' of academics and less on-time graduation for the favored racial group.

And yet the facts don't bear that out. There are many more people capable of doing well at Harvard than get into Harvard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that Stanford occupies a higher moral ground than Berkeley because the percentage of blacks in the freshman class is higher than that of Berkeley is just downright vile, evil and revolting . Stanford enrolls blacks out of pure self interest and not love for any altruistic reason and certainly not because they love blacks. Private schools like Stanford are nothing but businesses just like Mcdonald's or Starbucks around the corner hence their primary interest is their financial and economic survival hence their widespread practice of legacy preferences and certainly not to spread justice and fairness in this world.

That garbage " Critical Mass Theory " claims that the more blacks there are in a university, the happier blacks will be , the more likely to graduate and way well into the road of happiness and fulfillment in life. What a bunch of crock. Prop 200 in the State of Washington banned race preferences in the year 2000 more than a decade ago. Blacks make up 2.4% of the undergraduates in the University of Washington- Seattle. In the state of Indiana , at the University Indiana Blooimington, blacks made up about 5.6 % of the undergraduates. For the 2005 freshman class of U of Washington-Seattle, the gap in the 6 year graduation rates was 13%. For Indiana Bloomington and its 2005 freshmen class the gap in the 6 year graduation rates between whites and blacks was a staggering 28%, 7 points higher than that of Berkeley.

You would think that since there are more blacks both in terms of percentage and absolute numbers at Indiana Bloomington compared to U of Washington Seattle, the gap in 6 year graduation rates between blacks and whites would be smaller than 13 %, instead what happened was the complete opposite . That is what race preferences does for you. The more a public school practices race preferences, the greater the gap in 6 year graduation rates of blacks and whites will be. That pattern is repeated in every public university in the nation. In states where they have banned race preferences like Georgia or Florida, the 6 year graduation rates of blacks in its public universities are close to, equal to or HIGHER than that of whites in its public universities.

Geez...why do so many of folks on here come for Blacks? Based on your own numbers, Blacks would take up 24 out of a class of 1000 at UW and 56 out of a class of 1000 at IU. That is the magnitude of the impact that folks are arguing about. Instead of worrying about how your kids can get one of those 900+ spots, you guys are focused on the relatively few spots that the Blacks get. My goodness, it is not like half the class is Black.

Actually, Asians are targeted more than blacks on here.

Racist whites fear competition.

In my experience I has not been Caucasians targeting Asians.

I think you missed the crucial part of the message "on here". Try reading more carefully.

Since when did dcum have race identifiers on every post? Is there a banner or something I smile missing that automatically logs a persons race?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that Stanford occupies a higher moral ground than Berkeley because the percentage of blacks in the freshman class is higher than that of Berkeley is just downright vile, evil and revolting . Stanford enrolls blacks out of pure self interest and not love for any altruistic reason and certainly not because they love blacks. Private schools like Stanford are nothing but businesses just like Mcdonald's or Starbucks around the corner hence their primary interest is their financial and economic survival hence their widespread practice of legacy preferences and certainly not to spread justice and fairness in this world.

That garbage " Critical Mass Theory " claims that the more blacks there are in a university, the happier blacks will be , the more likely to graduate and way well into the road of happiness and fulfillment in life. What a bunch of crock. Prop 200 in the State of Washington banned race preferences in the year 2000 more than a decade ago. Blacks make up 2.4% of the undergraduates in the University of Washington- Seattle. In the state of Indiana , at the University Indiana Blooimington, blacks made up about 5.6 % of the undergraduates. For the 2005 freshman class of U of Washington-Seattle, the gap in the 6 year graduation rates was 13%. For Indiana Bloomington and its 2005 freshmen class the gap in the 6 year graduation rates between whites and blacks was a staggering 28%, 7 points higher than that of Berkeley.

You would think that since there are more blacks both in terms of percentage and absolute numbers at Indiana Bloomington compared to U of Washington Seattle, the gap in 6 year graduation rates between blacks and whites would be smaller than 13 %, instead what happened was the complete opposite . That is what race preferences does for you. The more a public school practices race preferences, the greater the gap in 6 year graduation rates of blacks and whites will be. That pattern is repeated in every public university in the nation. In states where they have banned race preferences like Georgia or Florida, the 6 year graduation rates of blacks in its public universities are close to, equal to or HIGHER than that of whites in its public universities.

Geez...why do so many of folks on here come for Blacks? Based on your own numbers, Blacks would take up 24 out of a class of 1000 at UW and 56 out of a class of 1000 at IU. That is the magnitude of the impact that folks are arguing about. Instead of worrying about how your kids can get one of those 900+ spots, you guys are focused on the relatively few spots that the Blacks get. My goodness, it is not like half the class is Black.

I think the point was that racial preference in admissions will result in "mismatch' of academics and less on-time graduation for the favored racial group.

And yet the facts don't bear that out. There are many more people capable of doing well at Harvard than get into Harvard.

Right. Many people capable of doing well at Harvard are rejected and many people who are not capable of doing well at Harvard are accepted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that Stanford occupies a higher moral ground than Berkeley because the percentage of blacks in the freshman class is higher than that of Berkeley is just downright vile, evil and revolting . Stanford enrolls blacks out of pure self interest and not love for any altruistic reason and certainly not because they love blacks. Private schools like Stanford are nothing but businesses just like Mcdonald's or Starbucks around the corner hence their primary interest is their financial and economic survival hence their widespread practice of legacy preferences and certainly not to spread justice and fairness in this world.

That garbage " Critical Mass Theory " claims that the more blacks there are in a university, the happier blacks will be , the more likely to graduate and way well into the road of happiness and fulfillment in life. What a bunch of crock. Prop 200 in the State of Washington banned race preferences in the year 2000 more than a decade ago. Blacks make up 2.4% of the undergraduates in the University of Washington- Seattle. In the state of Indiana , at the University Indiana Blooimington, blacks made up about 5.6 % of the undergraduates. For the 2005 freshman class of U of Washington-Seattle, the gap in the 6 year graduation rates was 13%. For Indiana Bloomington and its 2005 freshmen class the gap in the 6 year graduation rates between whites and blacks was a staggering 28%, 7 points higher than that of Berkeley.

You would think that since there are more blacks both in terms of percentage and absolute numbers at Indiana Bloomington compared to U of Washington Seattle, the gap in 6 year graduation rates between blacks and whites would be smaller than 13 %, instead what happened was the complete opposite . That is what race preferences does for you. The more a public school practices race preferences, the greater the gap in 6 year graduation rates of blacks and whites will be. That pattern is repeated in every public university in the nation. In states where they have banned race preferences like Georgia or Florida, the 6 year graduation rates of blacks in its public universities are close to, equal to or HIGHER than that of whites in its public universities.

Geez...why do so many of folks on here come for Blacks? Based on your own numbers, Blacks would take up 24 out of a class of 1000 at UW and 56 out of a class of 1000 at IU. That is the magnitude of the impact that folks are arguing about. Instead of worrying about how your kids can get one of those 900+ spots, you guys are focused on the relatively few spots that the Blacks get. My goodness, it is not like half the class is Black.

I think the point was that racial preference in admissions will result in "mismatch' of academics and less on-time graduation for the favored racial group.

And yet the facts don't bear that out. There are many more people capable of doing well at Harvard than get into Harvard.

From the Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/the-painful-truth-about-affirmative-action/263122/

Research on the mismatch problem was almost non-existent until the mid-1990s; it has developed rapidly in the past half-dozen years, especially among labor economists. To cite just a few examples of the findings:

•Black college freshmen are more likely to aspire to science or engineering careers than are white freshmen, but mismatch causes blacks to abandon these fields at twice the rate of whites.

•Blacks who start college interested in pursuing a doctorate and an academic career are twice as likely to be derailed from this path if they attend a school where they are mismatched.

•About half of black college students rank in the bottom 20 percent of their classes (and the bottom 10 percent in law school).

•Black law school graduates are four times as likely to fail bar exams as are whites; mismatch explains half of this gap.

•Interracial friendships are more likely to form among students with relatively similar levels of academic preparation; thus, blacks and Hispanics are more socially integrated on campuses where they are less academically mismatched.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that Stanford occupies a higher moral ground than Berkeley because the percentage of blacks in the freshman class is higher than that of Berkeley is just downright vile, evil and revolting . Stanford enrolls blacks out of pure self interest and not love for any altruistic reason and certainly not because they love blacks. Private schools like Stanford are nothing but businesses just like Mcdonald's or Starbucks around the corner hence their primary interest is their financial and economic survival hence their widespread practice of legacy preferences and certainly not to spread justice and fairness in this world.

That garbage " Critical Mass Theory " claims that the more blacks there are in a university, the happier blacks will be , the more likely to graduate and way well into the road of happiness and fulfillment in life. What a bunch of crock. Prop 200 in the State of Washington banned race preferences in the year 2000 more than a decade ago. Blacks make up 2.4% of the undergraduates in the University of Washington- Seattle. In the state of Indiana , at the University Indiana Blooimington, blacks made up about 5.6 % of the undergraduates. For the 2005 freshman class of U of Washington-Seattle, the gap in the 6 year graduation rates was 13%. For Indiana Bloomington and its 2005 freshmen class the gap in the 6 year graduation rates between whites and blacks was a staggering 28%, 7 points higher than that of Berkeley.

You would think that since there are more blacks both in terms of percentage and absolute numbers at Indiana Bloomington compared to U of Washington Seattle, the gap in 6 year graduation rates between blacks and whites would be smaller than 13 %, instead what happened was the complete opposite . That is what race preferences does for you. The more a public school practices race preferences, the greater the gap in 6 year graduation rates of blacks and whites will be. That pattern is repeated in every public university in the nation. In states where they have banned race preferences like Georgia or Florida, the 6 year graduation rates of blacks in its public universities are close to, equal to or HIGHER than that of whites in its public universities.

Geez...why do so many of folks on here come for Blacks? Based on your own numbers, Blacks would take up 24 out of a class of 1000 at UW and 56 out of a class of 1000 at IU. That is the magnitude of the impact that folks are arguing about. Instead of worrying about how your kids can get one of those 900+ spots, you guys are focused on the relatively few spots that the Blacks get. My goodness, it is not like half the class is Black.

Actually, Asians are targeted more than blacks on here.

Racist whites fear competition.

I think that "mediocre" Whites fear competition. Those are the ones who fight againt Affirmative Action in any environment. They fight for their right to be "average" while still getting the benefits of White privilege.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that Stanford occupies a higher moral ground than Berkeley because the percentage of blacks in the freshman class is higher than that of Berkeley is just downright vile, evil and revolting . Stanford enrolls blacks out of pure self interest and not love for any altruistic reason and certainly not because they love blacks. Private schools like Stanford are nothing but businesses just like Mcdonald's or Starbucks around the corner hence their primary interest is their financial and economic survival hence their widespread practice of legacy preferences and certainly not to spread justice and fairness in this world.

That garbage " Critical Mass Theory " claims that the more blacks there are in a university, the happier blacks will be , the more likely to graduate and way well into the road of happiness and fulfillment in life. What a bunch of crock. Prop 200 in the State of Washington banned race preferences in the year 2000 more than a decade ago. Blacks make up 2.4% of the undergraduates in the University of Washington- Seattle. In the state of Indiana , at the University Indiana Blooimington, blacks made up about 5.6 % of the undergraduates. For the 2005 freshman class of U of Washington-Seattle, the gap in the 6 year graduation rates was 13%. For Indiana Bloomington and its 2005 freshmen class the gap in the 6 year graduation rates between whites and blacks was a staggering 28%, 7 points higher than that of Berkeley.

You would think that since there are more blacks both in terms of percentage and absolute numbers at Indiana Bloomington compared to U of Washington Seattle, the gap in 6 year graduation rates between blacks and whites would be smaller than 13 %, instead what happened was the complete opposite . That is what race preferences does for you. The more a public school practices race preferences, the greater the gap in 6 year graduation rates of blacks and whites will be. That pattern is repeated in every public university in the nation. In states where they have banned race preferences like Georgia or Florida, the 6 year graduation rates of blacks in its public universities are close to, equal to or HIGHER than that of whites in its public universities.

Geez...why do so many of folks on here come for Blacks? Based on your own numbers, Blacks would take up 24 out of a class of 1000 at UW and 56 out of a class of 1000 at IU. That is the magnitude of the impact that folks are arguing about. Instead of worrying about how your kids can get one of those 900+ spots, you guys are focused on the relatively few spots that the Blacks get. My goodness, it is not like half the class is Black.

I think the point was that racial preference in admissions will result in "mismatch' of academics and less on-time graduation for the favored racial group.

And yet the facts don't bear that out. There are many more people capable of doing well at Harvard than get into Harvard.

From the Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/the-painful-truth-about-affirmative-action/263122/

Research on the mismatch problem was almost non-existent until the mid-1990s; it has developed rapidly in the past half-dozen years, especially among labor economists. To cite just a few examples of the findings:

•Black college freshmen are more likely to aspire to science or engineering careers than are white freshmen, but mismatch causes blacks to abandon these fields at twice the rate of whites.

•Blacks who start college interested in pursuing a doctorate and an academic career are twice as likely to be derailed from this path if they attend a school where they are mismatched.

•About half of black college students rank in the bottom 20 percent of their classes (and the bottom 10 percent in law school).

•Black law school graduates are four times as likely to fail bar exams as are whites; mismatch explains half of this gap.

•Interracial friendships are more likely to form among students with relatively similar levels of academic preparation; thus, blacks and Hispanics are more socially integrated on campuses where they are less academically mismatched.

Wow....all this talk about a racial group that is less than 10% of the student population at most PWI's. Out of a class of 1000 people, we are talking about less than 100 people. Seems to me that some of y'all's focus in on the wrong group. Maybe some of you should worry about why your kid can't secure one of the other 900 spots. Your competition is other Whites and Asians, not Latinos and Blacks.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that Stanford occupies a higher moral ground than Berkeley because the percentage of blacks in the freshman class is higher than that of Berkeley is just downright vile, evil and revolting . Stanford enrolls blacks out of pure self interest and not love for any altruistic reason and certainly not because they love blacks. Private schools like Stanford are nothing but businesses just like Mcdonald's or Starbucks around the corner hence their primary interest is their financial and economic survival hence their widespread practice of legacy preferences and certainly not to spread justice and fairness in this world.

That garbage " Critical Mass Theory " claims that the more blacks there are in a university, the happier blacks will be , the more likely to graduate and way well into the road of happiness and fulfillment in life. What a bunch of crock. Prop 200 in the State of Washington banned race preferences in the year 2000 more than a decade ago. Blacks make up 2.4% of the undergraduates in the University of Washington- Seattle. In the state of Indiana , at the University Indiana Blooimington, blacks made up about 5.6 % of the undergraduates. For the 2005 freshman class of U of Washington-Seattle, the gap in the 6 year graduation rates was 13%. For Indiana Bloomington and its 2005 freshmen class the gap in the 6 year graduation rates between whites and blacks was a staggering 28%, 7 points higher than that of Berkeley.

You would think that since there are more blacks both in terms of percentage and absolute numbers at Indiana Bloomington compared to U of Washington Seattle, the gap in 6 year graduation rates between blacks and whites would be smaller than 13 %, instead what happened was the complete opposite . That is what race preferences does for you. The more a public school practices race preferences, the greater the gap in 6 year graduation rates of blacks and whites will be. That pattern is repeated in every public university in the nation. In states where they have banned race preferences like Georgia or Florida, the 6 year graduation rates of blacks in its public universities are close to, equal to or HIGHER than that of whites in its public universities.

Geez...why do so many of folks on here come for Blacks? Based on your own numbers, Blacks would take up 24 out of a class of 1000 at UW and 56 out of a class of 1000 at IU. That is the magnitude of the impact that folks are arguing about. Instead of worrying about how your kids can get one of those 900+ spots, you guys are focused on the relatively few spots that the Blacks get. My goodness, it is not like half the class is Black.

Actually, Asians are targeted more than blacks on here.

Really, where are the negative stats about how Asians perfom in college? I will admit that Asians are targeted on many academic threads "on here." But when the discussion is Affrimative Action, Blacks bear the brunt of that criticism.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that Stanford occupies a higher moral ground than Berkeley because the percentage of blacks in the freshman class is higher than that of Berkeley is just downright vile, evil and revolting . Stanford enrolls blacks out of pure self interest and not love for any altruistic reason and certainly not because they love blacks. Private schools like Stanford are nothing but businesses just like Mcdonald's or Starbucks around the corner hence their primary interest is their financial and economic survival hence their widespread practice of legacy preferences and certainly not to spread justice and fairness in this world.

That garbage " Critical Mass Theory " claims that the more blacks there are in a university, the happier blacks will be , the more likely to graduate and way well into the road of happiness and fulfillment in life. What a bunch of crock. Prop 200 in the State of Washington banned race preferences in the year 2000 more than a decade ago. Blacks make up 2.4% of the undergraduates in the University of Washington- Seattle. In the state of Indiana , at the University Indiana Blooimington, blacks made up about 5.6 % of the undergraduates. For the 2005 freshman class of U of Washington-Seattle, the gap in the 6 year graduation rates was 13%. For Indiana Bloomington and its 2005 freshmen class the gap in the 6 year graduation rates between whites and blacks was a staggering 28%, 7 points higher than that of Berkeley.

You would think that since there are more blacks both in terms of percentage and absolute numbers at Indiana Bloomington compared to U of Washington Seattle, the gap in 6 year graduation rates between blacks and whites would be smaller than 13 %, instead what happened was the complete opposite . That is what race preferences does for you. The more a public school practices race preferences, the greater the gap in 6 year graduation rates of blacks and whites will be. That pattern is repeated in every public university in the nation. In states where they have banned race preferences like Georgia or Florida, the 6 year graduation rates of blacks in its public universities are close to, equal to or HIGHER than that of whites in its public universities.

Geez...why do so many of folks on here come for Blacks? Based on your own numbers, Blacks would take up 24 out of a class of 1000 at UW and 56 out of a class of 1000 at IU. That is the magnitude of the impact that folks are arguing about. Instead of worrying about how your kids can get one of those 900+ spots, you guys are focused on the relatively few spots that the Blacks get. My goodness, it is not like half the class is Black.

I think the point was that racial preference in admissions will result in "mismatch' of academics and less on-time graduation for the favored racial group.

And yet the facts don't bear that out. There are many more people capable of doing well at Harvard than get into Harvard.

From the Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/the-painful-truth-about-affirmative-action/263122/

Research on the mismatch problem was almost non-existent until the mid-1990s; it has developed rapidly in the past half-dozen years, especially among labor economists. To cite just a few examples of the findings:

•Black college freshmen are more likely to aspire to science or engineering careers than are white freshmen, but mismatch causes blacks to abandon these fields at twice the rate of whites.

•Blacks who start college interested in pursuing a doctorate and an academic career are twice as likely to be derailed from this path if they attend a school where they are mismatched.

•About half of black college students rank in the bottom 20 percent of their classes (and the bottom 10 percent in law school).

•Black law school graduates are four times as likely to fail bar exams as are whites; mismatch explains half of this gap.

•Interracial friendships are more likely to form among students with relatively similar levels of academic preparation; thus, blacks and Hispanics are more socially integrated on campuses where they are less academically mismatched.

Wow....all this talk about a racial group that is less than 10% of the student population at most PWI's. Out of a class of 1000 people, we are talking about less than 100 people. Seems to me that some of y'all's focus in on the wrong group. Maybe some of you should worry about why your kid can't secure one of the other 900 spots. Your competition is other Whites and Asians, not Latinos and Blacks.

Then why don't colleges just come out and say "there's a big boy table" and "there's a kiddy table" and you are competing at the table we place you at.