Ivy League Affirmative Action from the inside

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great article and we are going to see the same thing happen for TJ admissions in the next few years. Asian American students comprise 20% of FCPS population, but about 70% of TJ students. That kind of "diversity" isn't acceptable to many, and there is a huge push to change the racial makeup of the school.

And stuy and the elite nyc magnets - but for some reason people love it when the nba and nfl show a lack of diversity.

This is pretty dumb. The NFL and NBA are not educational institutions with a public mission. They are revenue generating enterprises. Their goal is to make money....period.

Then why do a lot of large corporations, businesses, and firms have diversity quotas, programs, etc.? And why do people make a fuss when these companies don't have black people in upper management? These companies have even less "public" aspect to them than the NFL/NBA. Stop trying to deflect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great article and we are going to see the same thing happen for TJ admissions in the next few years. Asian American students comprise 20% of FCPS population, but about 70% of TJ students. That kind of "diversity" isn't acceptable to many, and there is a huge push to change the racial makeup of the school.

And stuy and the elite nyc magnets - but for some reason people love it when the nba and nfl show a lack of diversity.

This is pretty dumb. The NFL and NBA are not educational institutions with a public mission. They are revenue generating enterprises. Their goal is to make money....period.

Yet this logic does not hold for regular private firm hiring (otherwise f500 firms would not have whole departments in hr dedicated to minority outreach, diversity, etc).

I don't think the NBA and NFL has a public outreach arm saying "we need to boost how many white and asian players we have" and dedicate resources to do so.

But you the funny thing, MLB has massive initiatives trying to boost black player enrollment in the game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hate to tell a lot of you this, but most minorities do not give a rat's ass how we got the opportunity or what you call it, or even waht you think about it - we just want the opportunity. The shame and stigma that some assign to Affirmative Action is a White person's thing.

Further, the data that I have seen (I used to work in a university setting) shows that the level of academic attrition among White, Black and Latinos is very similar - and much lower for Asian students. So...it is not like these kids are getting into these schools and flunking out at a higher rate.

Wait are you just proving that asians should get more spots at to schools?

Confused at your post there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great article and we are going to see the same thing happen for TJ admissions in the next few years. Asian American students comprise 20% of FCPS population, but about 70% of TJ students. That kind of "diversity" isn't acceptable to many, and there is a huge push to change the racial makeup of the school.

And stuy and the elite nyc magnets - but for some reason people love it when the nba and nfl show a lack of diversity.

This is pretty dumb. The NFL and NBA are not educational institutions with a public mission. They are revenue generating enterprises. Their goal is to make money....period.

Then why do a lot of large corporations, businesses, and firms have diversity quotas, programs, etc.? And why do people make a fuss when these companies don't have black people in upper management? These companies have even less "public" aspect to them than the NFL/NBA. Stop trying to deflect.

You are the asshole who is deflecting. We are talking about school admission and you (or whoever) treid to get snarky about private businesses. You got called on it. Get over it.

Private businesses have the stuff you mentioned because they are good for business - whether it is PR or whatever. These programs are good for the bottom line...period!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate to tell a lot of you this, but most minorities do not give a rat's ass how we got the opportunity or what you call it, or even waht you think about it - we just want the opportunity. The shame and stigma that some assign to Affirmative Action is a White person's thing.

Further, the data that I have seen (I used to work in a university setting) shows that the level of academic attrition among White, Black and Latinos is very similar - and much lower for Asian students. So...it is not like these kids are getting into these schools and flunking out at a higher rate.

Wait are you just proving that asians should get more spots at to schools?

Confused at your post there.

What's confusing about it? What I said speaks for itself. Blacks, Whites and Latinos flunk out at similar rates so anyone saying that Black and Latino admits don't do well relative to Whites once in college is misinformed. Of the four groups that I mentioned, Asians flunk out less than Whites, Blacks and Latinos.

Does that mean they merit more spots? Who knows? Seems to me that a university needs to fill out a class across all majors and all departments. So maybe that type of "diversity" is also important to them. I don't profess to know how these admission committees work at each school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are not entitled to get into a particular college. It is not your spot. They can do with it whatever they want.

Except the government has said, more than once, "if you take government money, no you can't do whatever you want".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great article and we are going to see the same thing happen for TJ admissions in the next few years. Asian American students comprise 20% of FCPS population, but about 70% of TJ students. That kind of "diversity" isn't acceptable to many, and there is a huge push to change the racial makeup of the school.

And stuy and the elite nyc magnets - but for some reason people love it when the nba and nfl show a lack of diversity.

This is pretty dumb. The NFL and NBA are not educational institutions with a public mission. They are revenue generating enterprises. Their goal is to make money....period.

Yet this logic does not hold for regular private firm hiring (otherwise f500 firms would not have whole departments in hr dedicated to minority outreach, diversity, etc).

I don't think the NBA and NFL has a public outreach arm saying "we need to boost how many white and asian players we have" and dedicate resources to do so.

But you the funny thing, MLB has massive initiatives trying to boost black player enrollment in the game.

Private busineses do not do these things out of the bottom of the hearts - follow the money - it is about the bottom line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is pretty dumb. The NFL and NBA are not educational institutions with a public mission. They are revenue generating enterprises. Their goal is to make money....period.

LOL you must not have looked at their size of their endowments if you think the Ivy League's main goal isn't to make money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is pretty dumb. The NFL and NBA are not educational institutions with a public mission. They are revenue generating enterprises. Their goal is to make money....period.

LOL you must not have looked at their size of their endowments if you think the Ivy League's main goal isn't to make money.

+100

And their admissions decisions are completely in line with this. Why are they generating more grads going into finance than before? Why are business schools (ahem, Wharton) such a focus of both resources and admitted students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:David French has an adopted 4 or 5 year old black daughter. It will be interesting to see what he posts when his daughter is 18. Let's see if his daughter experiences lowered expectations in school. I see it with my minority sons. There is an assumption that they aren't smart, just athletic. Every year teachers are so surprised they are in the top reading and math groups. In kindergarten a friend who is Asian told me her child got accelerated work and homework from the first week of school, while it took until October or November for my son to get the same work while he is actually more advanced than she is (according to her mom who volunteers in class). She told me the teacher commented to her that she was so surprised how well my son could do math. Minority kid does well in school it is surprising; Asian kid does well it is expected.

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This is so true. Just because you are affluent does not mean you do not face discrimination. AA kids in elite schools do better when compositions are blind graded. AA academically gifted kids often are denied admission to more strenuous classes unless they really push. The assumption is that they will struggle. This happened to my DS at a very top school. Also I worry everyday he walks out the front door that he will hassled by the police on his way to school or events. This has happened. When he shares these experiences with white teachers, etc, they tell him how lucky he is. He is fortunate economically, but racisms permeates our society.

[Anonymous]

She told me the teacher commented to her that she was so surprised how well my son could do math. Minority kid does well in school it is surprising; Asian kid does well it is expected.

Absolutely the case. It was in the late 70s and into the 80s when I was in elementary school. No one expected me to know how to read when I arrived in first grade. My parents were told my role models could be found on the janitorial and kitchen staff. Parents had to push and at times antagonize, but it was necessary for me to be seen as someone better than average...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

She told me the teacher commented to her that she was so surprised how well my son could do math. Minority kid does well in school it is surprising; Asian kid does well it is expected.

Absolutely the case. It was in the late 70s and into the 80s when I was in elementary school. No one expected me to know how to read when I arrived in first grade. My parents were told my role models could be found on the janitorial and kitchen staff. Parents had to push and at times antagonize, but it was necessary for me to be seen as someone better than average...

. I was poor and white and had similar experiences. In fact, despite being at the top of my graduating class the college counselor told me "not to waste my time on college application." Not everything is racially based.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:David French has an adopted 4 or 5 year old black daughter. It will be interesting to see what he posts when his daughter is 18. Let's see if his daughter experiences lowered expectations in school. I see it with my minority sons. There is an assumption that they aren't smart, just athletic. Every year teachers are so surprised they are in the top reading and math groups. In kindergarten a friend who is Asian told me her child got accelerated work and homework from the first week of school, while it took until October or November for my son to get the same work while he is actually more advanced than she is (according to her mom who volunteers in class). She told me the teacher commented to her that she was so surprised how well my son could do math. Minority kid does well in school it is surprising; Asian kid does well it is expected.

And in the other hand, I'm Asian and terrible at math. It was really difficult for me to get help because no one assumed that I might genuinely need it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great article and we are going to see the same thing happen for TJ admissions in the next few years. Asian American students comprise 20% of FCPS population, but about 70% of TJ students. That kind of "diversity" isn't acceptable to many, and there is a huge push to change the racial makeup of the school.

And stuy and the elite nyc magnets - but for some reason people love it when the nba and nfl show a lack of diversity.

This is pretty dumb. The NFL and NBA are not educational institutions with a public mission. They are revenue generating enterprises. Their goal is to make money....period.

Yet this logic does not hold for regular private firm hiring (otherwise f500 firms would not have whole departments in hr dedicated to minority outreach, diversity, etc).

I don't think the NBA and NFL has a public outreach arm saying "we need to boost how many white and asian players we have" and dedicate resources to do so.

But you the funny thing, MLB has massive initiatives trying to boost black player enrollment in the game.

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[Anonymous]

The idea that Stanford occupies a higher moral ground than Berkeley because the percentage of blacks in the freshman class is higher than that of Berkeley is just downright vile, evil and revolting . Stanford enrolls blacks out of pure self interest and not love for any altruistic reason and certainly not because they love blacks. Private schools like Stanford are nothing but businesses just like Mcdonald's or Starbucks around the corner hence their primary interest is their financial and economic survival hence their widespread practice of legacy preferences and certainly not to spread justice and fairness in this world.

That garbage " Critical Mass Theory " claims that the more blacks there are in a university, the happier blacks will be , the more likely to graduate and way well into the road of happiness and fulfillment in life. What a bunch of crock. Prop 200 in the State of Washington banned race preferences in the year 2000 more than a decade ago. Blacks make up 2.4% of the undergraduates in the University of Washington- Seattle. In the state of Indiana , at the University Indiana Blooimington, blacks made up about 5.6 % of the undergraduates. For the 2005 freshman class of U of Washington-Seattle, the gap in the 6 year graduation rates was 13%. For Indiana Bloomington and its 2005 freshmen class the gap in the 6 year graduation rates between whites and blacks was a staggering 28%, 7 points higher than that of Berkeley.

You would think that since there are more blacks both in terms of percentage and absolute numbers at Indiana Bloomington compared to U of Washington Seattle, the gap in 6 year graduation rates between blacks and whites would be smaller than 13 %, instead what happened was the complete opposite . That is what race preferences does for you. The more a public school practices race preferences, the greater the gap in 6 year graduation rates of blacks and whites will be. That pattern is repeated in every public university in the nation. In states where they have banned race preferences like Georgia or Florida, the 6 year graduation rates of blacks in its public universities are close to, equal to or HIGHER than that of whites in its public universities.