Ivy League Affirmative Action from the inside

[Anonymous]

Again, two erroneous assumptions. One, sat scores are somehow equate to potential and/or destiny. Second, whites and Asians always score higher.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm all in favor of some kind of affirmative action for low SES kids. That will necessarily pick up a lot of racial minority kids. But I fail to see why the kid of a successful African-American doctor or lawyer should get an admission preference based on race, when they have had a more advantageous start in life than the first-generation college applicant from a blue collar background in Kentucky who happens to be white.

This verbatim comment was on College Confidential. You get around, don't you? Or is it some people just like to keep shit going.

Touchy? Looks like you don't want to lose your AA privilege.

First generation college candidates also get special consideration and, if white, are not likely to be competing against URMs for admission. So this is a bogus trade-off. Elite schools can and do admit both kinds of students.

As for why it's legit that the kid of an AA professional may benefit from affirmative action, there are a whole series of considerations/issues you're ignoring. First, it's not clear who had the more advantageous start in life. A white boy from rural Kentucky may have had an easier childhood/adolescence than an African American boy from any of a number of U.S. cities. Racism shapes life chances as much as (and in some cases/at some stages, more than) socio-economic status. And certainly post-college, to the extent that anyone is aware of his class background, the white kid will be seen as extraordinarily talented for having gotten into/graduated from an elite school, while the African American grad will constantly have to deal with people assuming he didn't really deserve to go -- regardless of his credentials prior to admission. Secondly, as a society, we're still falling very short of the ideal of creating a culture in which leaders emerge from all kinds of demographics. That's important both in shaping aspirations and in shaping how power is exercised. To the extent that the goal is creating a diverse elite, it's important not only to admit URM kids from educationally disadvantaged backgrounds, but also to admit kids who have the background to excel.

It's been a while since I've read a statement of such complete horse shit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:. To the extent that the goal is creating a diverse elite, it's important not only to admit URM kids from educationally disadvantaged backgrounds, but also to admit kids who have the background to excel.

It's been a while since I've read a statement of such complete horse shit.

Yep.
A kid of well-paid professionals does not need a leg up, no matter what skin color. And don't get me started on the kids of political (and other) elites...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:. To the extent that the goal is creating a diverse elite, it's important not only to admit URM kids from educationally disadvantaged backgrounds, but also to admit kids who have the background to excel.

It's been a while since I've read a statement of such complete horse shit.

Yep.
A kid of well-paid professionals does not need a leg up, no matter what skin color. And don't get me started on the kids of political (and other) elites...

And yet here you are bitching about affirmative action rather than legacy admission. Or inheritance laws, or private schools, or inequities in public school financing, or fee-for-service medical care, or capitalism ....

[Anonymous]

It's scapegoating and bias, pure and simple. Many schools have 12-14% of admittees from other countries and you don't hear a thing about this.

[Anonymous]

First off White Women have benefited from AA more so than any other group especially blacks. Today Yahoo News ran a story saying Qualified Latino & Blacks are choosing to stay at Schools close to home instead of venturing into the Ivy League. So which is it? Were magically taking qualified Asian and White spots at Ivy League schools from our Local State & Private Universities? Just seems like another way to bash Black Americans, after 400 years does it ever get tired? Who are all these Asians getting rejected from Ivy League schools? I just read several threads on this board alone about Asian students getting accepted into 7 or 8 Ivy League Schools

[Anonymous]

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First off White Women have benefited from AA more so than any other group especially blacks. Today Yahoo News ran a story saying Qualified Latino & Blacks are choosing to stay at Schools close to home instead of venturing into the Ivy League. So which is it? Were magically taking qualified Asian and White spots at Ivy League schools from our Local State & Private Universities? Just seems like another way to bash Black Americans, after 400 years does it ever get tired? Who are all these Asians getting rejected from Ivy League schools? I just read several threads on this board alone about Asian students getting accepted into 7 or 8 Ivy League Schools

The operative words are "have benefited". This is no longer the case for white women.

[Anonymous]

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First off White Women have benefited from AA more so than any other group especially blacks. Today Yahoo News ran a story saying Qualified Latino & Blacks are choosing to stay at Schools close to home instead of venturing into the Ivy League. So which is it? Were magically taking qualified Asian and White spots at Ivy League schools from our Local State & Private Universities? Just seems like another way to bash Black Americans, after 400 years does it ever get tired? Who are all these Asians getting rejected from Ivy League schools? I just read several threads on this board alone about Asian students getting accepted into 7 or 8 Ivy League Schools

The operative words are "have benefited". This is no longer the case for white women.

So when it benefitted White women, AffAc was ok? But now that Black and Latino folks are reaping those same benefits, the program needs to be scrapped? I do not think that is what you are trying to say, but it reads like it.

[Anonymous]

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First off White Women have benefited from AA more so than any other group especially blacks. Today Yahoo News ran a story saying Qualified Latino & Blacks are choosing to stay at Schools close to home instead of venturing into the Ivy League. So which is it? Were magically taking qualified Asian and White spots at Ivy League schools from our Local State & Private Universities? Just seems like another way to bash Black Americans, after 400 years does it ever get tired? Who are all these Asians getting rejected from Ivy League schools? I just read several threads on this board alone about Asian students getting accepted into 7 or 8 Ivy League Schools

There was a story about 1 Asian kid getting accepted to all of the Ivy schools probably the only Asian in the last several years. Every year, almost all of the stories about acceptance to all the Ivy schools involve black or Hispanic kids.

[Anonymous]

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First off White Women have benefited from AA more so than any other group especially blacks. Today Yahoo News ran a story saying Qualified Latino & Blacks are choosing to stay at Schools close to home instead of venturing into the Ivy League. So which is it? Were magically taking qualified Asian and White spots at Ivy League schools from our Local State & Private Universities? Just seems like another way to bash Black Americans, after 400 years does it ever get tired? Who are all these Asians getting rejected from Ivy League schools? I just read several threads on this board alone about Asian students getting accepted into 7 or 8 Ivy League Schools

There was a story about 1 Asian kid getting accepted to all of the Ivy schools probably the only Asian in the last several years. Every year, almost all of the stories about acceptance to all the Ivy schools involve black or Hispanic kids.

I am not following your point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Great article and we are going to see the same thing happen for TJ admissions in the next few years. Asian American students comprise 20% of FCPS population, but about 70% of TJ students. That kind of "diversity" isn't acceptable to many, and there is a huge push to change the racial makeup of the school.

And stuy and the elite nyc magnets - but for some reason people love it when the nba and nfl show a lack of diversity.

This is pretty dumb. The NFL and NBA are not educational institutions with a public mission. They are revenue generating enterprises. Their goal is to make money....period.

Yet this logic does not hold for regular private firm hiring (otherwise f500 firms would not have whole departments in hr dedicated to minority outreach, diversity, etc).

I don't think the NBA and NFL has a public outreach arm saying "we need to boost how many white and asian players we have" and dedicate resources to do so.

But you the funny thing, MLB has massive initiatives trying to boost black player enrollment in the game.

How many Black and Latino team owners are there?

[Anonymous]

Never understood why Jews didn't get affirmative action. I mean, there's a documented history of discrimination in this country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Never understood why Jews didn't get affirmative action. I mean, there's a documented history of discrimination in this country.

I hope this is a joke.

Because we're not under represented.

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Anonymous wrote:Never understood why Jews didn't get affirmative action. I mean, there's a documented history of discrimination in this country.

I hope this is a joke.

Because we're not under represented.

Why is that?

[Anonymous]

Jews, Asians and other minority groups in America, with the exception of the Native Americans, can lay claim in this country to the history of enslavement, rape, discrimination, etc. Why do they also seek to benefit form programs not related to their history in America?

The Ivys, until very recently, were a white, male Protestant club. The WASP is still held up to be the elite ideal and it is why others aspire to join their club. They might be welcome at Harvard or Yale, but let's see them gain admittance to the Country Club. Good luck with that!

And let's not forget the Irish.

NINA