The Starving of Gaza

[Anonymous]

Why is OP bringing up a story from 2012? Also, the Guardian piece seems to make clear that Israel wanted to make sure Gazans did not starve and would get on average at least the minimum calories required.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of those pics are from Syria asshole

This is a google search for images under "Gaza deaths 2014." Is my motive to use misattribution by google to deceive you? Moron.

Both the PP, but you do realize that there have been a lot of photos of Gaza that aren't ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is OP bringing up a story from 2012? Also, the Guardian piece seems to make clear that Israel wanted to make sure Gazans did not starve and would get on average at least the minimum calories required.

Unlike Hitler, I would add...

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:Guess they should not have destroyed those greenhouses they were given

I don't know if it is you who continually brings this up, but there are a couple of facts of which you should be aware. At the time the greenhouses were destroyed, Hamas was not in power. The Palestinian Authority -- really just Fatah -- was in power then. The security forces didn't do anything to prevent the looting (nor did they participate) and many Gazans were angry about the destruction. It was one more thing blamed on the PA and it's possible that this incident contributed to the dislike for the PA/Fatah that led to the election victory of Hamas. You also fail to mention that even a greater number of greenhouses were destroyed by settlers before the withdrawal.

Did Arabs destroy some of the greenhouses, or didn't they? If so, they created their own issues for the people of Gaza, just like they do by using human shields, etc. You can continue to put the blame on Israel, but it sounds like there are lots of issues in Gaza and with the Arab leadership in general. Israel, therefore, needs to keep that shit contained. You don't let the gangs take over the neighborhood

Okay, so you aren't actually a rational person. But, for anyone who cares to give actual thought to this, yes, greenhouses were destroyed. No, Hamas didn't do it. No, once it was done it couldn't be undone. But, restrictions on food could be lived at anytime. Israel didn't, and hasn't, lifted them. To act like a one-time action -- however misguided -- is the same as a continuous and ongoing action is pretty obtuse.

Plenty of money to build tunnels though

What good is money if Israel embargoes anything you want to buy with it? The tunnels were used to smuggle food.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of those pics are from Syria asshole

This is a google search for images under "Gaza deaths 2014." Is my motive to use misattribution by google to deceive you? Moron.

Both the PP, but you do realize that there have been a lot of photos of Gaza that aren't ?

Yes. Feel free to point out the ones that aren't. However you don't seem at all fazed by the horror unfolding in gaza. Look again.

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1Y1YYEK_enUS513US515&biw=640&bih=176&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=kvXfU5DXEKvmsAS69oHQBA&q=gaza+deaths+2014&oq=gaza+deaths+2014&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.3..41j0.2226.2226.0.5355.1.1.0.0.0.0.621.621.5-1.1.0....0...1c.1.51.mobile-gws-serp..0.1.621.6IflpExOeEk

[Anonymous]

Israel allowed plenty of food into Gaza. If they had not there would have been rampant starvation.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guess they should not have destroyed those greenhouses they were given

I don't know if it is you who continually brings this up, but there are a couple of facts of which you should be aware. At the time the greenhouses were destroyed, Hamas was not in power. The Palestinian Authority -- really just Fatah -- was in power then. The security forces didn't do anything to prevent the looting (nor did they participate) and many Gazans were angry about the destruction. It was one more thing blamed on the PA and it's possible that this incident contributed to the dislike for the PA/Fatah that led to the election victory of Hamas. You also fail to mention that even a greater number of greenhouses were destroyed by settlers before the withdrawal.

Did Arabs destroy some of the greenhouses, or didn't they? If so, they created their own issues for the people of Gaza, just like they do by using human shields, etc. You can continue to put the blame on Israel, but it sounds like there are lots of issues in Gaza and with the Arab leadership in general. Israel, therefore, needs to keep that shit contained. You don't let the gangs take over the neighborhood

Okay, so you aren't actually a rational person. But, for anyone who cares to give actual thought to this, yes, greenhouses were destroyed. No, Hamas didn't do it. No, once it was done it couldn't be undone. But, restrictions on food could be lived at anytime. Israel didn't, and hasn't, lifted them. To act like a one-time action -- however misguided -- is the same as a continuous and ongoing action is pretty obtuse.

Plenty of money to build tunnels though

What good is money if Israel embargoes anything you want to buy with it? The tunnels were used to smuggle food.

I didn't realize that's all they were used for.

How much food can a million dollar plus tunnel buy? How much does it take for a country to grow one's own?

You are a smart man Jeff, and you know this remark is disingenuous

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of those pics are from Syria asshole

This is a google search for images under "Gaza deaths 2014." Is my motive to use misattribution by google to deceive you? Moron.

Both the PP, but you do realize that there have been a lot of photos of Gaza that aren't ?

Yes. Feel free to point out the ones that aren't. However you don't seem at all fazed by the horror unfolding in gaza. Look again.

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1Y1YYEK_enUS513US515&biw=640&bih=176&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=kvXfU5DXEKvmsAS69oHQBA&q=gaza+deaths+2014&oq=gaza+deaths+2014&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.3..41j0.2226.2226.0.5355.1.1.0.0.0.0.621.621.5-1.1.0....0...1c.1.51.mobile-gws-serp..0.1.621.6IflpExOeEk

I'm too busy looking at the ones of murdered Israelis. The fact there are so many of Muslims murdering others elsewhere though is telling

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Israel allowed plenty of food into Gaza. If they had not there would have been rampant starvation.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Such is war:

A US diplomatic cable revealed by WikiLeaks last year quoted Israeli diplomats as saying they wanted to "keep Gaza's economy on the brink of collapse".

That makes sense, given the election of a terrorist organization that calls for the death of Israel and Jews.

What do you think Gazans and West Bankers should do, given the ascension of the party that denies the possibility of Palestinian state and wants to extend Israel to the Eastern bank of Jordan?

Likud is in a coalition with a party that disagrees with that, so if they actually tried that, they would lose their government.

Likud is also in a coalition with the parties that are even more right-wing like Our Jewish Home, so why not pick on them?

PP here. You missed the point of my post. Likud may actually think that (I doubt it, given that they showed up to the Oslo accords), but even if they do, they can't do anything to fulfill that if they want to govern, or their coalition will collapse.

You can make the very same argument about Hamas, who are (were, anyway) in a coalition government with Fatah before the campaign started. Somehow that fact doesn't make people overlook their charter, so why does Likud get a break?

Hamas was only in a coalition for a very short time, and before that, they governed Gaza. Likud could not govern Israel without the coalition, which has lasted for years.

Actually, Hamas joined the PA just last month. I haven't heard that they left it during the fighting. You are correct that Likud can't rule without the coalition. As a result, Likud can't pursue annexation of the occupied territories because of it's more dovish partners, but can't pursue a two-state solution because of its more hardline partners. So, trying to excuse Likud because of it's partners is neither here nor there. Likud should have the same expectations as Hamas. If one is expected to change its charter, both should be.

Hamas and Fatah can't focus on working together due to the fighting, so their coalition is effectively dormant if not over, and Likud doesn't actively try to annex Palestine, and has tried to come to peace before, although they failed, while Hamas still is actively trying to destroy Israel, although they are failing.

[Anonymous]

18:07, well put.

Why can't the Pals in Gaza grow their own food? Build a country? Invest in agriculture or any industry? Do anything other than blame Israel, build rockets and dig tunnels for the purpose of killing Jews? Ahh - its just easier to hate the damn Jews and try to kill them all by lobbing rockets. Every. Single. Day. for 7 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of those pics are from Syria asshole

This is a google search for images under "Gaza deaths 2014." Is my motive to use misattribution by google to deceive you? Moron.

Both the PP, but you do realize that there have been a lot of photos of Gaza that aren't ?

Yes. Feel free to point out the ones that aren't. However you don't seem at all fazed by the horror unfolding in gaza. Look again.

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1Y1YYEK_enUS513US515&biw=640&bih=176&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=kvXfU5DXEKvmsAS69oHQBA&q=gaza+deaths+2014&oq=gaza+deaths+2014&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.3..41j0.2226.2226.0.5355.1.1.0.0.0.0.621.621.5-1.1.0....0...1c.1.51.mobile-gws-serp..0.1.621.6IflpExOeEk

I saw photos of children clearly killed at close range. Those were the most horrific photos, and they were from Syria.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of those pics are from Syria asshole

This is a google search for images under "Gaza deaths 2014." Is my motive to use misattribution by google to deceive you? Moron.

Both the PP, but you do realize that there have been a lot of photos of Gaza that aren't ?

Yes. Feel free to point out the ones that aren't. However you don't seem at all fazed by the horror unfolding in gaza. Look again.

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1Y1YYEK_enUS513US515&biw=640&bih=176&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=kvXfU5DXEKvmsAS69oHQBA&q=gaza+deaths+2014&oq=gaza+deaths+2014&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.3..41j0.2226.2226.0.5355.1.1.0.0.0.0.621.621.5-1.1.0....0...1c.1.51.mobile-gws-serp..0.1.621.6IflpExOeEk

I saw photos of children clearly killed at close range. Those were the most horrific photos, and they were from Syria.

Go look at these. They aren't from Syria:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2714575/Humanitarian-crisis-Gaza-half-million-homeless.html

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:18:07, well put.

Why can't the Pals in Gaza grow their own food? Build a country? Invest in agriculture or any industry? Do anything other than blame Israel, build rockets and dig tunnels for the purpose of killing Jews? Ahh - its just easier to hate the damn Jews and try to kill them all by lobbing rockets. Every. Single. Day. for 7 years.

They are trying to kill Israelis, not "Jews". If we blamed the occupation on Jews, you would call us anti-Semetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:18:07, well put.

Why can't the Pals in Gaza grow their own food? Build a country? Invest in agriculture or any industry? Do anything other than blame Israel, build rockets and dig tunnels for the purpose of killing Jews? Ahh - its just easier to hate the damn Jews and try to kill them all by lobbing rockets. Every. Single. Day. for 7 years.

18:07 here. Thank you

Apparently, we are too practical for DCUM. . Imagine that!