The Starving of Gaza

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Such is war:

A US diplomatic cable revealed by WikiLeaks last year quoted Israeli diplomats as saying they wanted to "keep Gaza's economy on the brink of collapse".

That makes sense, given the election of a terrorist organization that calls for the death of Israel and Jews.

What do you think Gazans and West Bankers should do, given the ascension of the party that denies the possibility of Palestinian state and wants to extend Israel to the Eastern bank of Jordan?

Likud is in a coalition with a party that disagrees with that, so if they actually tried that, they would lose their government.

Likud is also in a coalition with the parties that are even more right-wing like Our Jewish Home, so why not pick on them?

PP here. You missed the point of my post. Likud may actually think that (I doubt it, given that they showed up to the Oslo accords), but even if they do, they can't do anything to fulfill that if they want to govern, or their coalition will collapse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Such is war:

A US diplomatic cable revealed by WikiLeaks last year quoted Israeli diplomats as saying they wanted to "keep Gaza's economy on the brink of collapse".

That makes sense, given the election of a terrorist organization that calls for the death of Israel and Jews.

Wow, is this the forum where war criminals express their pride in their crimes against humanity?

Do yourself a favor, and download the App 'Red Alert'.

[Anonymous]

Well, they were the Israelis' greenhouses. Build your own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Such is war:

A US diplomatic cable revealed by WikiLeaks last year quoted Israeli diplomats as saying they wanted to "keep Gaza's economy on the brink of collapse".

That makes sense, given the election of a terrorist organization that calls for the death of Israel and Jews.

What do you think Gazans and West Bankers should do, given the ascension of the party that denies the possibility of Palestinian state and wants to extend Israel to the Eastern bank of Jordan?

Likud is in a coalition with a party that disagrees with that, so if they actually tried that, they would lose their government.

Likud is also in a coalition with the parties that are even more right-wing like Our Jewish Home, so why not pick on them?

PP here. You missed the point of my post. Likud may actually think that (I doubt it, given that they showed up to the Oslo accords), but even if they do, they can't do anything to fulfill that if they want to govern, or their coalition will collapse.

You can make the very same argument about Hamas, who are (were, anyway) in a coalition government with Fatah before the campaign started. Somehow that fact doesn't make people overlook their charter, so why does Likud get a break?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Such is war:

A US diplomatic cable revealed by WikiLeaks last year quoted Israeli diplomats as saying they wanted to "keep Gaza's economy on the brink of collapse".

That makes sense, given the election of a terrorist organization that calls for the death of Israel and Jews.

What do you think Gazans and West Bankers should do, given the ascension of the party that denies the possibility of Palestinian state and wants to extend Israel to the Eastern bank of Jordan?

Likud is in a coalition with a party that disagrees with that, so if they actually tried that, they would lose their government.

Likud is also in a coalition with the parties that are even more right-wing like Our Jewish Home, so why not pick on them?

PP here. You missed the point of my post. Likud may actually think that (I doubt it, given that they showed up to the Oslo accords), but even if they do, they can't do anything to fulfill that if they want to govern, or their coalition will collapse.

You can make the very same argument about Hamas, who are (were, anyway) in a coalition government with Fatah before the campaign started. Somehow that fact doesn't make people overlook their charter, so why does Likud get a break?

Hamas was only in a coalition for a very short time, and before that, they governed Gaza. Likud could not govern Israel without the coalition, which has lasted for years.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guess they should not have destroyed those greenhouses they were given

I don't know if it is you who continually brings this up, but there are a couple of facts of which you should be aware. At the time the greenhouses were destroyed, Hamas was not in power. The Palestinian Authority -- really just Fatah -- was in power then. The security forces didn't do anything to prevent the looting (nor did they participate) and many Gazans were angry about the destruction. It was one more thing blamed on the PA and it's possible that this incident contributed to the dislike for the PA/Fatah that led to the election victory of Hamas. You also fail to mention that even a greater number of greenhouses were destroyed by settlers before the withdrawal.

Did Arabs destroy some of the greenhouses, or didn't they? If so, they created their own issues for the people of Gaza, just like they do by using human shields, etc. You can continue to put the blame on Israel, but it sounds like there are lots of issues in Gaza and with the Arab leadership in general. Israel, therefore, needs to keep that shit contained. You don't let the gangs take over the neighborhood

Okay, so you aren't actually a rational person. But, for anyone who cares to give actual thought to this, yes, greenhouses were destroyed. No, Hamas didn't do it. No, once it was done it couldn't be undone. But, restrictions on food could be lived at anytime. Israel didn't, and hasn't, lifted them. To act like a one-time action -- however misguided -- is the same as a continuous and ongoing action is pretty obtuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Such is war:

A US diplomatic cable revealed by WikiLeaks last year quoted Israeli diplomats as saying they wanted to "keep Gaza's economy on the brink of collapse".

That makes sense, given the election of a terrorist organization that calls for the death of Israel and Jews.

Wow, is this the forum where war criminals express their pride in their crimes against humanity?

Do yourself a favor, and download the App 'Red Alert'.

Do yourself a favor and see what the Israeli goverment has wrought...

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1Y1YYEK_enUS513US515&biw=640&bih=176&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=kvXfU5DXEKvmsAS69oHQBA&q=gaza+deaths+2014&oq=gaza+deaths+2014&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.3..41j0.2226.2226.0.5355.1.1.0.0.0.0.621.621.5-1.1.0....0...1c.1.51.mobile-gws-serp..0.1.621.6IflpExOeEk

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Such is war:

A US diplomatic cable revealed by WikiLeaks last year quoted Israeli diplomats as saying they wanted to "keep Gaza's economy on the brink of collapse".

That makes sense, given the election of a terrorist organization that calls for the death of Israel and Jews.

What do you think Gazans and West Bankers should do, given the ascension of the party that denies the possibility of Palestinian state and wants to extend Israel to the Eastern bank of Jordan?

Likud is in a coalition with a party that disagrees with that, so if they actually tried that, they would lose their government.

Likud is also in a coalition with the parties that are even more right-wing like Our Jewish Home, so why not pick on them?

PP here. You missed the point of my post. Likud may actually think that (I doubt it, given that they showed up to the Oslo accords), but even if they do, they can't do anything to fulfill that if they want to govern, or their coalition will collapse.

You can make the very same argument about Hamas, who are (were, anyway) in a coalition government with Fatah before the campaign started. Somehow that fact doesn't make people overlook their charter, so why does Likud get a break?

Hamas was only in a coalition for a very short time, and before that, they governed Gaza. Likud could not govern Israel without the coalition, which has lasted for years.

Actually, Hamas joined the PA just last month. I haven't heard that they left it during the fighting. You are correct that Likud can't rule without the coalition. As a result, Likud can't pursue annexation of the occupied territories because of it's more dovish partners, but can't pursue a two-state solution because of its more hardline partners. So, trying to excuse Likud because of it's partners is neither here nor there. Likud should have the same expectations as Hamas. If one is expected to change its charter, both should be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Such is war:

A US diplomatic cable revealed by WikiLeaks last year quoted Israeli diplomats as saying they wanted to "keep Gaza's economy on the brink of collapse".

That makes sense, given the election of a terrorist organization that calls for the death of Israel and Jews.

What do you think Gazans and West Bankers should do, given the ascension of the party that denies the possibility of Palestinian state and wants to extend Israel to the Eastern bank of Jordan?

Likud is in a coalition with a party that disagrees with that, so if they actually tried that, they would lose their government.

Likud is also in a coalition with the parties that are even more right-wing like Our Jewish Home, so why not pick on them?

PP here. You missed the point of my post. Likud may actually think that (I doubt it, given that they showed up to the Oslo accords), but even if they do, they can't do anything to fulfill that if they want to govern, or their coalition will collapse.

You can make the very same argument about Hamas, who are (were, anyway) in a coalition government with Fatah before the campaign started. Somehow that fact doesn't make people overlook their charter, so why does Likud get a break?

Hamas was only in a coalition for a very short time, and before that, they governed Gaza. Likud could not govern Israel without the coalition, which has lasted for years.

I don't see how that changes anything. Likud still does not support a Palestinian state, and it is in coalition with many right-wing (meaning right-wingER than Likud) parties. Yes, it is in coalition with others as well but let's not pretend Israeli politics lacks people like Hamas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Such is war:

A US diplomatic cable revealed by WikiLeaks last year quoted Israeli diplomats as saying they wanted to "keep Gaza's economy on the brink of collapse".

That makes sense, given the election of a terrorist organization that calls for the death of Israel and Jews.

Wow, is this the forum where war criminals express their pride in their crimes against humanity?

Do yourself a favor, and download the App 'Red Alert'.

Do yourself a favor and see what the Israeli goverment has wrought...

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1Y1YYEK_enUS513US515&biw=640&bih=176&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=kvXfU5DXEKvmsAS69oHQBA&q=gaza+deaths+2014&oq=gaza+deaths+2014&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.3..41j0.2226.2226.0.5355.1.1.0.0.0.0.621.621.5-1.1.0....0...1c.1.51.mobile-gws-serp..0.1.621.6IflpExOeEk

They loose credibility when they take pictures of atrocities elsewhere (Syria) and blame it on Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Such is war:

A US diplomatic cable revealed by WikiLeaks last year quoted Israeli diplomats as saying they wanted to "keep Gaza's economy on the brink of collapse".

That makes sense, given the election of a terrorist organization that calls for the death of Israel and Jews.

Wow, is this the forum where war criminals express their pride in their crimes against humanity?

Do yourself a favor, and download the App 'Red Alert'.

Do yourself a favor and see what the Israeli goverment has wrought...

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1Y1YYEK_enUS513US515&biw=640&bih=176&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=kvXfU5DXEKvmsAS69oHQBA&q=gaza+deaths+2014&oq=gaza+deaths+2014&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.3..41j0.2226.2226.0.5355.1.1.0.0.0.0.621.621.5-1.1.0....0...1c.1.51.mobile-gws-serp..0.1.621.6IflpExOeEk

Does Israel really think it is safer cor having done all this?

[Anonymous]

Some of those pics are from Syria asshole

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Some of those pics are from Syria asshole

Does that mean the ones from Gaza should be ignored?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of those pics are from Syria asshole

This is a google search for images under "Gaza deaths 2014." Is my motive to use misattribution by google to deceive you? Moron.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guess they should not have destroyed those greenhouses they were given

I don't know if it is you who continually brings this up, but there are a couple of facts of which you should be aware. At the time the greenhouses were destroyed, Hamas was not in power. The Palestinian Authority -- really just Fatah -- was in power then. The security forces didn't do anything to prevent the looting (nor did they participate) and many Gazans were angry about the destruction. It was one more thing blamed on the PA and it's possible that this incident contributed to the dislike for the PA/Fatah that led to the election victory of Hamas. You also fail to mention that even a greater number of greenhouses were destroyed by settlers before the withdrawal.

Did Arabs destroy some of the greenhouses, or didn't they? If so, they created their own issues for the people of Gaza, just like they do by using human shields, etc. You can continue to put the blame on Israel, but it sounds like there are lots of issues in Gaza and with the Arab leadership in general. Israel, therefore, needs to keep that shit contained. You don't let the gangs take over the neighborhood

Okay, so you aren't actually a rational person. But, for anyone who cares to give actual thought to this, yes, greenhouses were destroyed. No, Hamas didn't do it. No, once it was done it couldn't be undone. But, restrictions on food could be lived at anytime. Israel didn't, and hasn't, lifted them. To act like a one-time action -- however misguided -- is the same as a continuous and ongoing action is pretty obtuse.

Plenty of money to build tunnels though