If this is the way the public education system works, I am already in despair about my choices.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with many of the PP's regarding his evaluation.

And reading sight words by 3? That's developmentally inappropriate (Early Childhood Education/Special Education teacher here). There have been studies that show that forcing kids to read too early provides no advantage later and can actually harm later reading development.

Not to hijack the thread, but this might be something for your Charter to look at (and all schools). Finland is the top performing country in the world for education. There's a lot we could learn from their education model. There are no standardized tests, and they don't formally teach reading until 6/7. I think the biggest thing is they are teaching kids to love to learn, not just to take a test.
I found this article fascinating about Finland's approach to education, including those from different countries who move to Finland and need extra help: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/Why-Are-Finlands-Schools-Successful.html?c=y&page=1


Thanks for your post. Per the title of my thread, I am at a loss about what is best for my child and how I should proceed based on the choices I have. I am trying for a second child and can't really afford two daycare tuitions or a private full-day preschool tuition, although at this point I am more concerned about my son than I am about some future baby. So tell me, what would do and what kind of educational situation would you seek out for your child if you were in my shoes? Because trust me, my biggest fear is that this experience is going to set my son up to hate school. I can tell he is already ambivalent about it, and I know I sure as hell am.


PP here. I know it's hard, and I'm sorry. It's possible that the 4s will be easier on him depending on the teachers.

I think part of it is finding a school that is a good fit. Some schools (and individual teachers) are great at fostering healthy social/emotional development and learning. Are there other charters that you can look into? Or an affordable more laid back preschool he can do for now that would be willing to take into his IEP but also have a more developmentally appropriate program? Play-based preschools can be great.

Also do some things at home. Read books together, go to DC to see some the museums (the American History museum has a cool exhibit on the first floor with old trains, cars, and the Air and Space museum in DC has a neat hands-on room). You can do this now and as he gets older too, have him find the letters in his name on cereal boxes while grocery shopping, count items and put them in your cart, etc. Just simple real-world things that will show him that things learned in school are everywhere.

Having a sensory table at home is fun too (and to minimize the mess if you have a yard you can put it outside). Not sure if he has one at school. You can put in oatmeal, cornstarch, cornstarch and water (makes a fun goop), rice etc. You can hide magnetic letters, numbers in the table or have sorting buckets labeled so he can find and sort objects.


Thanks again. We do all of the things you suggest in our own time. I agree with you that these are appropriate, play-based ways to teach basic concepts. He does a lot of cooking with me and loves learning how to measure, how to work through the steps in order, feel different food textures, etc. He loves to garden with me for the same reason. This is why I know, and have 0% concern, about his cognitive ability. I see for myself every day that he understands all kinds of early reading and early math concepts. I am not denying the school's observations and evaluations regarding his behavior and the sensory issues. We experience and deal with these challenges at home all the time.

But yeah, I just have major, major questions now about whether the curriculum the school is using is in fact developmentally appropriate. I don't want my child to feel pressured by learning or to pick up on the idea that he is somehow behind. Because intellectually, cognitively I know he is not. I want him to love learning and I want him to be at a school that makes learning fun and has reasonable expectations for him. After this process, I now feel like I have to question whether his experience there each day is right for him or not.
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Anonymous wrote:OP, PLEASE don't assume that all public education is like this. It's not. Yes, there's testing, but not individual evaluations against an inappropriate standard.

For PK, maybe look into a DCPS with Head Start for All. (You say you're near Barnard but not IB--if Powell is one of your IB options, it might be a good bet for next year.)


Well, I'm glad that other people are having a better experience. That is reassuring. But it shouldn't be this hard to find the "right" school, the "right" fit and I am so tired of playing DC's public school game - lotteries, open houses, fairs, applications, etc etc etc. I cannot wait to move. I'm sick of the whole system here.
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Anonymous wrote:OP, PLEASE don't assume that all public education is like this. It's not. Yes, there's testing, but not individual evaluations against an inappropriate standard.

For PK, maybe look into a DCPS with Head Start for All. (You say you're near Barnard but not IB--if Powell is one of your IB options, it might be a good bet for next year.)


Well, I'm glad that other people are having a better experience. That is reassuring. But it shouldn't be this hard to find the "right" school, the "right" fit and I am so tired of playing DC's public school game - lotteries, open houses, fairs, applications, etc etc etc. I cannot wait to move. I'm sick of the whole system here.


Yes please. Excellent idea. Move. So happy you are not at our charter.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, PLEASE don't assume that all public education is like this. It's not. Yes, there's testing, but not individual evaluations against an inappropriate standard.

For PK, maybe look into a DCPS with Head Start for All. (You say you're near Barnard but not IB--if Powell is one of your IB options, it might be a good bet for next year.)


Well, I'm glad that other people are having a better experience. That is reassuring. But it shouldn't be this hard to find the "right" school, the "right" fit and I am so tired of playing DC's public school game - lotteries, open houses, fairs, applications, etc etc etc. I cannot wait to move. I'm sick of the whole system here.


Yes please. Excellent idea. Move. So happy you are not at our charter.


And you feel the need to be nasty because why, exactly?
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^^Furthermore, how would YOU feel if someone gave your child an academic test suited to 4, 5 and 6 year olds at age three and then handed you a report concluding that your child was cognitively below average? You'd just say, oh, okay thanks? Doubtful. If you have nothing susbstantive to say, just go away. I don't need this.
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My husband and I paid out of pocket for my three sons to have OT. I wish so much my oldest son particularly had qualified for OT at school.

My oldest was a year behind grade level in writing by the time a DCPS teacher said anything. The special ed team said I should be glad that my son could write all his letters (he was in 2nd grade and is verablly gifted). The special ed thing is hard; and I think it's hard wherever you are. Especially for kids like mine (and maybe yours) who have relatively minor issues.

But, I still have faith in his school and his teachers. We did private OT; we had my son privately evaluated. We worked with him at home. He absolutely loves going to school. He feels incredibly good about himself.

I know the whole DC school thing can be frustrating, but on the other hand you are getting free preschool and free OT. You basically like your son's teacher. I would be tempted to get a developmental pediatrician and OT to write down what is developmentally reasonable for a 3 year old and give it to your teacher.

I have a just turned 5 year old twins. Both write their name well and one is consistently reading site words (words, not books). I feel like they are ahead of the curve in their sought-after DCPS perK classroom.
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This is DCUM and OP sounds like a complete PITA. If she moves to another school, doubt she'll be missed.
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This is DCUM and OP sounds like a complete PITA. If she moves to another school, doubt she'll be missed.
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Anonymous wrote:My husband and I paid out of pocket for my three sons to have OT. I wish so much my oldest son particularly had qualified for OT at school.

My oldest was a year behind grade level in writing by the time a DCPS teacher said anything. The special ed team said I should be glad that my son could write all his letters (he was in 2nd grade and is verablly gifted). The special ed thing is hard; and I think it's hard wherever you are. Especially for kids like mine (and maybe yours) who have relatively minor issues.

But, I still have faith in his school and his teachers. We did private OT; we had my son privately evaluated. We worked with him at home. He absolutely loves going to school. He feels incredibly good about himself.

I know the whole DC school thing can be frustrating, but on the other hand you are getting free preschool and free OT. You basically like your son's teacher. I would be tempted to get a developmental pediatrician and OT to write down what is developmentally reasonable for a 3 year old and give it to your teacher.

I have a just turned 5 year old twins. Both write their name well and one is consistently reading site words (words, not books). I feel like they are ahead of the curve in their sought-after DCPS perK classroom.


See, this is my point. My concern is that the curriculum standards are too advanced. Again, for all the people who are ganging up and being nasty, I am happy that he qualifies for OT services, b/c I do think he needs them, and I am grateful that they are free. But PP you have 5 year olds who are just learning to sight read words and write in PK4. I am being told my son should be able to do these things "with ease" by the end of PS3. And you are not the first parent who has chimed in to say that their schools do not have these expectations until PK4 or K. So I will take from that that my concerns about the curriculum standards are not unfounded and yes, you lovelies, I will be as much of a PITA as I want b/c it is my job to be my kid's advocate. And if we determine that the school is not a good fit, then I would find a way to pay out of pocket b/c my first concern is that my child is engaged daily in a learning environment that builds him up according to developmentally appropriate standards instead of tearing him down.
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Yes OP, I was agreeing with you. The standards that are being used to evaluate your son are unreasonable. That is why I brought up where my kids are developmentally and that you should share another professional opinion with the teacher. I hope you don't think my response was nasty.

I don't know that you need to pull your kid this school year. I think you have room to advocate for your son where you are. I might bring a private OT or some kind of outsdie education expert to the IEP meeting too if I were you.
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Anonymous wrote:Yes OP, I was agreeing with you. The standards that are being used to evaluate your son are unreasonable. That is why I brought up where my kids are developmentally and that you should share another professional opinion with the teacher. I hope you don't think my response was nasty.

I don't know that you need to pull your kid this school year. I think you have room to advocate for your son where you are. I might bring a private OT or some kind of outsdie education expert to the IEP meeting too if I were you.


I know YOU weren't being nasty. I just don't understand the other people who are. I appreciate your thoughtful responses. I cannot for the life of me understand the purpose of them giving him a test he is not old enough to take, and drawing conclusions based on it. Yes, I very well may look for a private educational advocate to work with us.
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Anonymous wrote:Go for a good Montessori School. If you are not familiar with the philosophy behind it, search for it. You will see why it is so great with young kids.


I would very much like to explore Montessori, but my DH insists that it is the wrong environment for our son. I just have to wholeheartedly disagree, but there's not much I can do if DH is opposed.


There are some convincing resources out there to help learn about Montessori, especially since there are some prevalent misconceptions that are out there. If it's something you want to keep discussing with your husband, see this book for some backup: http://www.amazon.com/Montessori-The-Science-Behind-Genius/dp/019536936X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358529443&sr=8-1&keywords=lillard

Check out the AMS and AMI web sites, too.

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OP, you have my full sympathy, but I was offended when you seemed to extend your blame for your situation to all DC schools, and talk about how much you can't wait to move away. Folks have said over & over that your school is an outlier with inappropriate expectations. Don't paint all DC schools with the same brush.
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OP, we're at a DC charter school and it is definitely not expected that four year olds, or even four year olds, read and write. My son was not remotely interested in writing his name or learning the alphabet at that age. He is now approaching five and can sound out a few words, but this is not something that is pushed in the classroom (PK4).
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http://dc.gov/downloads/TEACHING%20&%20LEARNING/Learning%20Standards%202009/DCPS-ELA-PREK-STANDARDS-LEARNING-ACTIVITIES.pdf

Your situation seems to be an outlier, if your school is actually expecting children to read and write by the end of PreK.
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