CogAt or Fairfax Test?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i thought the last test was all pictures.. not any math.

CogAT Form 7, yes.

http://faculty.education.uiowa.edu/dlohman/pdf/CogAT7%20overview%20handouts.pdf

Thanks for the pdf document. The FxAT called version 8, does it mean that it is adopted from CogAt 8?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i thought the last test was all pictures.. not any math.

CogAT Form 7, yes.

http://faculty.education.uiowa.edu/dlohman/pdf/CogAT7%20overview%20handouts.pdf

Thanks for the pdf document. The FxAT called version 8, does it mean that it is adopted from CogAt 8?

I have no idea - sorry!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i thought the last test was all pictures.. not any math.

CogAT Form 7, yes.

http://faculty.education.uiowa.edu/dlohman/pdf/CogAT7%20overview%20handouts.pdf

Thanks for the pdf document. The FxAT called version 8, does it mean that it is adopted from CogAt 8?

Are you having your 2nd grader cram for the CogAT over the weekend or what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i thought the last test was all pictures.. not any math.

CogAT Form 7, yes.

http://faculty.education.uiowa.edu/dlohman/pdf/CogAT7%20overview%20handouts.pdf

Thanks for the pdf document. The FxAT called version 8, does it mean that it is adopted from CogAt 8?

Are you having your 2nd grader cram for the CogAT over the weekend or what?

Its now or never... you've got nothing to lose, and maybe something to gain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i thought the last test was all pictures.. not any math.

Just called a friend and her DD has exceptional memory. The girl said the practice questions have math problems. It seems true that this year the testing includes developed skills on top of potentials.
So test prep has no real use unless it really improves "developed skills". I think I like it - well, may change my mind if my child does not do well

What does "developed skills" mean? The parents sent the kid to Kumon?

[Anonymous]

OK preppers, I just found out that my DD made a pact with her best friend to both "fail" the test so they can stay at their base school together. You can prep all you want, but apparently, these kids have their own free will. Who knew?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK preppers, I just found out that my DD made a pact with her best friend to both "fail" the test so they can stay at their base school together. You can prep all you want, but apparently, these kids have their own free will. Who knew?

I love it. Sometimes the kids are smarter than the parents. Can you say p-r-e-s-s-u-r-e???? Best "prep" this weekend is fresh air, exercise, have fun, and a good night's sleep. Oh, and don't forget a healthy breakfast the morning of "THE TEST".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK preppers, I just found out that my DD made a pact with her best friend to both "fail" the test so they can stay at their base school together. You can prep all you want, but apparently, these kids have their own free will. Who knew?

I love it. Sometimes the kids are smarter than the parents. Can you say p-r-e-s-s-u-r-e???? Best "prep" this weekend is fresh air, exercise, have fun, and a good night's sleep. Oh, and don't forget a healthy breakfast the morning of "THE TEST".

I'm the quoted PP. We didn't prep. It just strikes me as funny that they can ultimately do whatever they want. Unfortunately, my DD has an older sibling in AAP so she knows exactly what the test is for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK preppers, I just found out that my DD made a pact with her best friend to both "fail" the test so they can stay at their base school together. You can prep all you want, but apparently, these kids have their own free will. Who knew?

I love it. Sometimes the kids are smarter than the parents. Can you say p-r-e-s-s-u-r-e???? Best "prep" this weekend is fresh air, exercise, have fun, and a good night's sleep. Oh, and don't forget a healthy breakfast the morning of "THE TEST".

Or endless hours of watching tv and/or playing video games.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK preppers, I just found out that my DD made a pact with her best friend to both "fail" the test so they can stay at their base school together. You can prep all you want, but apparently, these kids have their own free will. Who knew?

I love it. Sometimes the kids are smarter than the parents. Can you say p-r-e-s-s-u-r-e???? Best "prep" this weekend is fresh air, exercise, have fun, and a good night's sleep. Oh, and don't forget a healthy breakfast the morning of "THE TEST".

I'm the quoted PP. We didn't prep. It just strikes me as funny that they can ultimately do whatever they want. Unfortunately, my DD has an older sibling in AAP so she knows exactly what the test is for.

Didn't mean to offend you or anyone, but to also point out what you are saying. Our children can and do ultimately do what they want. If you haven't reach adolescence years yet, you are getting to see it early. What I picked up was this shows how much the kiddos are picking up and hearing, whether it's obviously said or not, what parents are thinking and hoping. Kids this age should not be worrying about what school they will be going to next year. There is plenty of time for that in high school, looking ahead for colleges, or probably in the case of many here, middle school looking at the TJ option for HS. And no matter what school they are in now, elementary, middle, high school, the bottom line will be up to them what they do afterwards for college, career and life skills. We can just give them the best we can and hope they can eventually use it. End of lecture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK preppers, I just found out that my DD made a pact with her best friend to both "fail" the test so they can stay at their base school together. You can prep all you want, but apparently, these kids have their own free will. Who knew?

I love it. Sometimes the kids are smarter than the parents. Can you say p-r-e-s-s-u-r-e???? Best "prep" this weekend is fresh air, exercise, have fun, and a good night's sleep. Oh, and don't forget a healthy breakfast the morning of "THE TEST".

I'm the quoted PP. We didn't prep. It just strikes me as funny that they can ultimately do whatever they want. Unfortunately, my DD has an older sibling in AAP so she knows exactly what the test is for.

Didn't mean to offend you or anyone, but to also point out what you are saying. Our children can and do ultimately do what they want. If you haven't reach adolescence years yet, you are getting to see it early. What I picked up was this shows how much the kiddos are picking up and hearing, whether it's obviously said or not, what parents are thinking and hoping. Kids this age should not be worrying about what school they will be going to next year. There is plenty of time for that in high school, looking ahead for colleges, or probably in the case of many here, middle school looking at the TJ option for HS. And no matter what school they are in now, elementary, middle, high school, the bottom line will be up to them what they do afterwards for college, career and life skills. We can just give them the best we can and hope they can eventually use it. End of lecture.

Ding, ding, ding!
Winner winner Chicken Dinner!!!

You got it! And prepping for the test IS giving them the best we can.

For the kids who purposefully tank the test, isn't that even worse? Artificially lowering their score to give themselves the "easy road".
Doesn't sound like much good guidance to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK preppers, I just found out that my DD made a pact with her best friend to both "fail" the test so they can stay at their base school together. You can prep all you want, but apparently, these kids have their own free will. Who knew?

I love it. Sometimes the kids are smarter than the parents. Can you say p-r-e-s-s-u-r-e???? Best "prep" this weekend is fresh air, exercise, have fun, and a good night's sleep. Oh, and don't forget a healthy breakfast the morning of "THE TEST".

I'm the quoted PP. We didn't prep. It just strikes me as funny that they can ultimately do whatever they want. Unfortunately, my DD has an older sibling in AAP so she knows exactly what the test is for.

Didn't mean to offend you or anyone, but to also point out what you are saying. Our children can and do ultimately do what they want. If you haven't reach adolescence years yet, you are getting to see it early. What I picked up was this shows how much the kiddos are picking up and hearing, whether it's obviously said or not, what parents are thinking and hoping. Kids this age should not be worrying about what school they will be going to next year. There is plenty of time for that in high school, looking ahead for colleges, or probably in the case of many here, middle school looking at the TJ option for HS. And no matter what school they are in now, elementary, middle, high school, the bottom line will be up to them what they do afterwards for college, career and life skills. We can just give them the best we can and hope they can eventually use it. End of lecture.

Ding, ding, ding!
Winner winner Chicken Dinner!!!

You got it! And prepping for the test IS giving them the best we can.

For the kids who purposefully tank the test, isn't that even worse? Artificially lowering their score to give themselves the "easy road".
Doesn't sound like much good guidance to me.

I'm the person whose kid said she was going to tank the test. She is a perfectionist and has low self esteem (she's the kid who won't try until she knows she will get it right). I think she's afraid of failing. Prepping, for her, would make things worse. She'd be so worried about pleasing me and not be able to that she'd fall apart. In the end, I don't think her life will be different if she's in AAP or not. She has a lot of internal drive. When her skills (that she clearly has, although she's a late bloomer) catch up, she'll be unstoppable. I feel my job right now is to look out for her emotional health and nurture the skills she has where they are now, not to pressure her into being something she's not. My other child is in AAP and it has been fabulous for her. I'd love for this one to be, too, but maybe she's not there yet. Ultimately, I don't think it will make a difference in her life whether she's in AAP in elementary or not, frankly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK preppers, I just found out that my DD made a pact with her best friend to both "fail" the test so they can stay at their base school together. You can prep all you want, but apparently, these kids have their own free will. Who knew?

I love it. Sometimes the kids are smarter than the parents. Can you say p-r-e-s-s-u-r-e???? Best "prep" this weekend is fresh air, exercise, have fun, and a good night's sleep. Oh, and don't forget a healthy breakfast the morning of "THE TEST".

I'm the quoted PP. We didn't prep. It just strikes me as funny that they can ultimately do whatever they want. Unfortunately, my DD has an older sibling in AAP so she knows exactly what the test is for.

Didn't mean to offend you or anyone, but to also point out what you are saying. Our children can and do ultimately do what they want. If you haven't reach adolescence years yet, you are getting to see it early. What I picked up was this shows how much the kiddos are picking up and hearing, whether it's obviously said or not, what parents are thinking and hoping. Kids this age should not be worrying about what school they will be going to next year. There is plenty of time for that in high school, looking ahead for colleges, or probably in the case of many here, middle school looking at the TJ option for HS. And no matter what school they are in now, elementary, middle, high school, the bottom line will be up to them what they do afterwards for college, career and life skills. We can just give them the best we can and hope they can eventually use it. End of lecture.

Ding, ding, ding!
Winner winner Chicken Dinner!!!

You got it! And prepping for the test IS giving them the best we can.

For the kids who purposefully tank the test, isn't that even worse? Artificially lowering their score to give themselves the "easy road".
Doesn't sound like much good guidance to me.

I'm the person whose kid said she was going to tank the test. She is a perfectionist and has low self esteem (she's the kid who won't try until she knows she will get it right). I think she's afraid of failing. Prepping, for her, would make things worse. She'd be so worried about pleasing me and not be able to that she'd fall apart. In the end, I don't think her life will be different if she's in AAP or not. She has a lot of internal drive. When her skills (that she clearly has, although she's a late bloomer) catch up, she'll be unstoppable. I feel my job right now is to look out for her emotional health and nurture the skills she has where they are now, not to pressure her into being something she's not. My other child is in AAP and it has been fabulous for her. I'd love for this one to be, too, but maybe she's not there yet. Ultimately, I don't think it will make a difference in her life whether she's in AAP in elementary or not, frankly.

And as the one who initially responded in what was somewhat a snarky reply, you, as mom have got it right. You know your child, know what will be best for her. I am probably restarting the "prepping for the tet" debate again here but I firmly believe that prepping by what I call artificial means, going over old tests, bought materials, is just plain wrong. Prepping by giving the child a language rich natural environment of books, activities, etc. is absolutely right.

[Anonymous]

+1...

Enrichment is for life....prepping is for the test.

[Anonymous]

I finally received the "CogAT Practice Test (Grade 2)" from Amazon. Whew, after reading and participating in this site for a few weeks, this practice test is very very helpful for me to know what the test is really about.
My son made 6 mistakes on the reading and 4 on the math. He has not completed the nonverbal yet. He said this test is very similar to what the teacher gave him in school, but this one is harder - not sure about that though. Since the teacher did not grade him in school, he thought he got all questions correct
The reading, the pictures, to me, does not look like reading at all. Initially I thought there was no reading sections in the book. I hope the real test will be color printed because I could not tell what they were for several of the pics. I am pleased with my son's results but also disappointed at the 6 and 4 mistakes. I remember reading the posts from another site saying that their kids are making only 1 or 2 mistakes, or no mistakes at all...
The beads questions for math, gush, they don't look like math at all! I wish they had real numbers or little animals like the normal workbook has.
From this personal experience, I can testify that doing one practice test and going over the results are useful! He now can tell what a pear cut in half looks like in pictures. He also realizes his two mistakes on the beads. Some of the number analogies are tricky because of the way the pictures are drawn. I decide not to work on those cause they almost don't make sense to me

He is now tired and I will have him do the non-verbal tomorrow. The nonverbal parts look difficult to me