Colorado Shooter Bought 4 Guns, all since May

[Anonymous]

I believe a crazy or bad person will find a way to get their hands on a gun, or whatever the destructive object may be, legal or not.

[Anonymous]

the reason citizens should be allowed to have assault weapons is because the purposes of the right to bear arms is not to go hunting or shoot targets, but to protect yourself from tyranny if the govt ever turned into a despotism (see, III, George or al-Assad, Bashar). you are not going to do to well with a shotgun against Navy Seals. now is that far-fetched today? probably so. but it IS in the friggin Bill of Rights so somewhat of a big deal.[

Tim McVeigh of Oklahoma City fame and the quoted poster espouse the same paranoid concern of government tyranny.

Yep some how you and your guns are going to stop the US Military with their F15, M1 tanks etc from taking your house....really?

[Anonymous]

Is 6000 rounds normal? What do you mean normal? Common? Average? Cost-Effective? I would think that many target shooting enthusiasts would have 6000 rounds. It's a lot cheaper when you buy 500 or 1000 vs., say, one box of 50. I have 9mm, 40, 357 Sig, and 45 ACP pistols for target shooting. If I purchased in bulk (I don't), I would think I could have 4000 rounds easily. As it is, I probably have 1000. Add in a few boxes of .223 for the evil black rifle and some boxes of 12 and 20 gauge shot shells for trap, skeet, and sporting clays for good measure.

I do have a difficult time defending the high capacity drum magazines.


Question the the poster's reply I copied and pasted above.

Do you reside in a multiple family dwelling like an apartment or condo complex. or a private home. How close are your neighbors? How many people are at risk. Is your ammo in a below ground level concrete "bullet proof" storage area?
Given the volume of ammunition you stock, by your description normally, in the event of accidental fire or other triggering mechanism what sort of risks are your neighbors being exposed to. What sort of fire protection/alarm system do you have in place. Have you alerted your local fire dept. to your stash, I'd hate to think of it going off in the face of an uninformed fireman trying to extinguish a fire in your residence Do you carry liability insurance to compensate anyone injured by an accidental triggering of your ammo?
You've got the right to accumulate all of this fire power, are you, have you, prepared for the consequences of a worst case scenario of accidental explosion/fire/theft/child or adult intrusion?.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I believe a crazy or bad person will find a way to get their hands on a gun, or whatever the destructive object may be, legal or not.

AND YET that doesn't happen in the UK very often. As a result, they only have about 600 homicides per year. TOTAL. Their destructive objects tend to be knives and sticks.

[Anonymous]

Statistics Canada also reported that the number of homicides committed by firearms throughout the country dropped from 180 in 2009 to 170 in 2010. The agency attributes this decrease to the drop in murders committed by shotguns and rifles. Homicides committed by use of long guns have been decreasing since the 1980s.

[Anonymous]

In Canada, civilians are not allowed to possess automatic firearms, except those registered before 1978
handguns with a barrel of 105mm or less in length, and specifically modified handguns, rifles or shotguns
In Canada, private possession of fully automatic weapons is prohibited, except those registered before 1978
In Canada, private possession of semi-automatic assault weapons is prohibited with only narrow exemptions
In Canada, private possession of handguns (pistols and revolvers) is permitted, with an authorization to carry 

Statistics Canada also reported that the number of homicides committed by firearms throughout the country dropped from 180 in 2009 to 170 in 2010. The agency attributes this decrease to the drop in murders committed by shotguns and rifles. Homicides committed by use of long guns have been decreasing since the 1980s.

PER CAPITA  Gun ownership in Canada is nearly as high in the USA. All guns are registered and ownership requires background approval

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is 6000 rounds normal? What do you mean normal? Common? Average? Cost-Effective? I would think that many target shooting enthusiasts would have 6000 rounds. It's a lot cheaper when you buy 500 or 1000 vs., say, one box of 50. I have 9mm, 40, 357 Sig, and 45 ACP pistols for target shooting. If I purchased in bulk (I don't), I would think I could have 4000 rounds easily. As it is, I probably have 1000. Add in a few boxes of .223 for the evil black rifle and some boxes of 12 and 20 gauge shot shells for trap, skeet, and sporting clays for good measure.

I do have a difficult time defending the high capacity drum magazines.


Question the the poster's reply I copied and pasted above.

Do you reside in a multiple family dwelling like an apartment or condo complex. or a private home. How close are your neighbors? How many people are at risk. Is your ammo in a below ground level concrete "bullet proof" storage area?
Given the volume of ammunition you stock, by your description normally, in the event of accidental fire or other triggering mechanism what sort of risks are your neighbors being exposed to. What sort of fire protection/alarm system do you have in place. Have you alerted your local fire dept. to your stash, I'd hate to think of it going off in the face of an uninformed fireman trying to extinguish a fire in your residence Do you carry liability insurance to compensate anyone injured by an accidental triggering of your ammo?
You've got the right to accumulate all of this fire power, are you, have you, prepared for the consequences of a worst case scenario of accidental explosion/fire/theft/child or adult intrusion?.

Please don't confuse me with a true enthusiast. My puny collection of firearms and maybe 1200 rounds of total ammo (7 different calibers) is not particularly substantial compared with some folks I know. I will take your question in the spirit of lively and polite discussion. I live in a townhouse. My ammo is stored in a very nice gun safe with a decent fire rating. My 4-level townhouse was required by code to have a sprinkler system installed throughout all 4 levels. The house has an alarm that includes alert of fire. I would say that any first responders would be well-protected. I have a third grader. Neither she nor adult intruders will be able to get into my safe.

I appreciate your concern regarding fire. However, ammunition does not act quite the same when exposed to fire as it does when fired through the barrel of a firearm. A loaded firearm with a chambered round is much more of a threat in a fire. But, there are a lot of other household items that could also present problems for first responders. For example, propane tanks, gasoline tanks (e.g., cars in a garage, or stored for mowers), various flammable accelerants, etc. Even heavy safes on upper floors could pose a serious hazard by falling through one or more floors weakened by fire.

I am curious to know if you are personally familiar with actual instances of the "worst case scenario" of accidental explosion/fire? This is of more than passing interest to me as I am member of Fairfax County's Community Emergency Response Team (CERT) and I have been certified as an EMT. I believe that about one-third of US households report having at least one gun. Yet I don't recall hearing stories of first responders being injured or killed by ammo exploding due to fire. I'm not saying it hasn't happened....just that I haven't heard stories.

[Anonymous]

Here you go:

http://my.firefighternation.com/forum/topics/exploding-ammunition-is-this

[Anonymous]

If Canada is so great go there, better yet go to England, or maybe you anti gun types would be happier in north Korea, just get the heck out of my country, you don't deserve the right to defend yourselves from deranged attackers, you don't deserve my children's Bill Of Rights, or their constitution! None of my guns have ever brought any harm to anyone black or semi auto or other.
I realize all you anti gunners want to do is cause a civil war! No matter what the military has, you do realize that there are 75 million gun owners in America that believe strongly in their god given, inaliable rights (you know, the ones that "shall not be infringed"!) That's 75 million, and if they all have lets say 2 ea., which I'm sure the average is way more than that, well, that's a heck of a lot to go around!
Plus how many U.S. Military members will not follow orders to disarm their fathers, brothers, neighbors. Then they join the ranks of the American gun owners, with U.S. Military hardware at their disposal and the knowledge of how to use it. Remember, the took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the united states against ALL enemies foreign and domestic. All enemies. Just a little foresight, gun grabbers, be careful what you wish for.

[Anonymous]

Really, the Mexican / American drug wars are raging out of control down in our border states and more people have been murdered in that war than in Vietnam, there are people's severed heads being dropped off on our border every day, this administration has been caught red handed shipping the drug cartels fully automatic weapons along with hand grenades and R.P.G.s. and the best you people can do is bitch about taking guns away from law abiding citizens? You run a way higher risk of dying a violent death in your car than you do of ever getting shot up by a deranged attacker, much less a deranged attacker in a movie theater.
Besides if just one person on that theater was carrying a weapon, and was trained how to use it, much less if two or three, that lunatic would not have had a chance to create as many casualties as he did and that would have saved a lot of lives! A lot of lives, not to mention saved the taxpayer a lot of money. But you wouldn't be talking about that would you?
No you wouldn't, because with a story like that you couldn't use the pain and suffering of others to try to get your agenda thru! Guns, all guns, in the hands of law abiding citizens save lives every day. All a police officer is, is an armed citizen serving the public by keeping the peace.
You should be ashamed of yourselves.

[Anonymous]

not taking guns away from the American people, but limiting the types of guns that can be legally purchased -- the assault weapons ban. The gun and the drum magazine that he used were both banned under the assault weapons ban. I have yet to hear an argument for allowing Americans to purchase these types of weapons that didn't cite some sort of need for Americans to arm themselves for a revolution against their own government.

http://wonkette.com/479139/ice-t-conservative-hero

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Canada is so great go there, better yet go to England, or maybe you anti gun types would be happier in north Korea, just get the heck out of my country, you don't deserve the right to defend yourselves from deranged attackers, you don't deserve my children's Bill Of Rights, or their constitution! None of my guns have ever brought any harm to anyone black or semi auto or other.
I realize all you anti gunners want to do is cause a civil war! No matter what the military has, you do realize that there are 75 million gun owners in America that believe strongly in their god given, inaliable rights (you know, the ones that "shall not be infringed"!) That's 75 million, and if they all have lets say 2 ea., which I'm sure the average is way more than that, well, that's a heck of a lot to go around!
Plus how many U.S. Military members will not follow orders to disarm their fathers, brothers, neighbors. Then they join the ranks of the American gun owners, with U.S. Military hardware at their disposal and the knowledge of how to use it. Remember, the took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the united states against ALL enemies foreign and domestic. All enemies. Just a little foresight, gun grabbers, be careful what you wish for.

Wow, apparently real Americans are guilty of wanting fewer homicides. When you wipe the foam off your mouth and taken your meds, I'll remind you that this is not "your" country, it is ours. And the idea that people with different view aren't real americans is just as repugnant, if not more.

You get nowhere telling people in a political debate that they want civil war. You probably never served a day in your life. I spent 2 years in a VA. So STFU about who really wants to defend their country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Really, the Mexican / American drug wars are raging out of control down in our border states and more people have been murdered in that war than in Vietnam, there are people's severed heads being dropped off on our border every day, this administration has been caught red handed shipping the drug cartels fully automatic weapons along with hand grenades and R.P.G.s. and the best you people can do is bitch about taking guns away from law abiding citizens? You run a way higher risk of dying a violent death in your car than you do of ever getting shot up by a deranged attacker, much less a deranged attacker in a movie theater. A
Besides if just one person on that theater was carrying a weapon, and was trained how to use it, much less if two or three, that lunatic would not have had a chance to create as many casualties as he did and that would have saved a lot of lives! A lot of lives, not to mention saved the taxpayer a lot of money. But you wouldn't be talking about that would you?
No you wouldn't, because with a story like that you couldn't use the pain and suffering of others to try to get your agenda thru! Guns, all guns, in the hands of law abiding citizens save lives every day. All a police officer is, is an armed citizen serving the public by keeping the peace.
You should be ashamed of yourselves.

In case you didn't realize, the government didn't ship any weapons. It is the current gun purchase laws that allow anyone here to buy weapons and then drive them across the border.

And since 1.3 million people were killed in the Vietnam war, not even counting Laos and Cambodia, I am going to have to say you are totally full of shit.

[Anonymous]

I appreciate your concern regarding fire. However, ammunition does not act quite the same when exposed to fire as it does when fired through the barrel of a firearm. A loaded firearm with a chambered round is much more of a threat in a fire. But, there are a lot of other household items that could also present problems for first responders. For example, propane tanks, gasoline tanks (e.g., cars in a garage, or stored for mowers), various flammable accelerants, etc. Even heavy safes on upper floors could pose a serious hazard by falling through one or more floors weakened by fire.

I am curious to know if you are personally familiar with actual instances of the "worst case scenario" of accidental explosion/fire? This is of more than passing interest to me as I am member of Fairfax County's Community Emergency Response Team (CERT) and I have been certified as an EMT. I believe that about one-third of US households report having at least one gun. Yet I don't recall hearing stories of first responders being injured or killed by ammo exploding due to fire. I'm not saying it hasn't happened....just that I haven't heard stories.

IN RESPONSE

Another poster gave you an example, I am sure I could search the Internet and find others, my concerns arose from personal experience gleaned from two tours of duty in the Middle East, from which I returned physically unscathed.

I witnessed ammo exploding and killing innocents and combatants on an all too frequent basis. More often than not, intentionally set off, but other times by accident. No reason it can't or won't happen here particularly with large stashes such as are being hoarded by the End of World types. (assuming yours in modest by “normal” standards.

Don't you find it just a little bizarre that we have no qualms surrendering our freedoms to Airport Security, The Patriot Act and even our ability to buy cold medicine such as Sudafed to the government without even a second thought.
Question the legitimacy of the purchase of a 100 round mag. or acquisition of an absurd amount of ammo over a short period of time and out come; Wayne La Pierre, NRA, 2nd Amend fanatics the Tea Party, Militia Movement types all frothing at the mouth.
How's this list for absurd weapons laws:
Want to buy an RPG? You can!
Want to buy a high intensity laser, capable of blinding a pilot or burning flesh, you can! Want to buy a slightly used battle tank (operational/drivable condition the ad stated) , you can for less than $1k (think how many buildings and cars you can crush. Just thin how many cars your could crush or building you could knock down defending yourselves from government tyranny.
Want to buy a used armored personnel carrier suitable for highway driving? Prices start at $17K (equipped with your laser, RPG and legal semi auto weapon with a 100 round mag I bet this would have Gun Nuts experiencing gungasms just fantasizing defending themselves from government troops. And to top it off, you can buy, for only $2.5 mil a fully flight certified Northrup F5 vintage 2005, not armored. I'd hate to think of the impact you could make with the End of World types with that toy. (bad choice of words).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I appreciate your concern regarding fire. However, ammunition does not act quite the same when exposed to fire as it does when fired through the barrel of a firearm. A loaded firearm with a chambered round is much more of a threat in a fire. But, there are a lot of other household items that could also present problems for first responders. For example, propane tanks, gasoline tanks (e.g., cars in a garage, or stored for mowers), various flammable accelerants, etc. Even heavy safes on upper floors could pose a serious hazard by falling through one or more floors weakened by fire.

I am curious to know if you are personally familiar with actual instances of the "worst case scenario" of accidental explosion/fire? This is of more than passing interest to me as I am member of Fairfax County's Community Emergency Response Team (CERT) and I have been certified as an EMT. I believe that about one-third of US households report having at least one gun. Yet I don't recall hearing stories of first responders being injured or killed by ammo exploding due to fire. I'm not saying it hasn't happened....just that I haven't heard stories.

IN RESPONSE

Another poster gave you an example, I am sure I could search the Internet and find others, my concerns arose from personal experience gleaned from two tours of duty in the Middle East, from which I returned physically unscathed.

I witnessed ammo exploding and killing innocents and combatants on an all too frequent basis. More often than not, intentionally set off, but other times by accident. No reason it can't or won't happen here particularly with large stashes such as are being hoarded by the End of World types. (assuming yours in modest by “normal” standards.

Don't you find it just a little bizarre that we have no qualms surrendering our freedoms to Airport Security, The Patriot Act and even our ability to buy cold medicine such as Sudafed to the government without even a second thought.
Question the legitimacy of the purchase of a 100 round mag. or acquisition of an absurd amount of ammo over a short period of time and out come; Wayne La Pierre, NRA, 2nd Amend fanatics the Tea Party, Militia Movement types all frothing at the mouth.
How's this list for absurd weapons laws:
Want to buy an RPG? You can!
Want to buy a high intensity laser, capable of blinding a pilot or burning flesh, you can! Want to buy a slightly used battle tank (operational/drivable condition the ad stated) , you can for less than $1k (think how many buildings and cars you can crush. Just thin how many cars your could crush or building you could knock down defending yourselves from government tyranny.
Want to buy a used armored personnel carrier suitable for highway driving? Prices start at $17K (equipped with your laser, RPG and legal semi auto weapon with a 100 round mag I bet this would have Gun Nuts experiencing gungasms just fantasizing defending themselves from government troops. And to top it off, you can buy, for only $2.5 mil a fully flight certified Northrup F5 vintage 2005, not armored. I'd hate to think of the impact you could make with the End of World types with that toy. (bad choice of words).

Well, I think you are somewhat misguided. Yes another poster provided me with a link, and I looked though it. While I am sympathetic to dangers faced by the FD, that link provided precious little in the way of hard facts and stats. The plain fact of the matter is, I don't think that it is a big concern. In searching the internet, please stick to hard news stories by legitimate news sources. I find way too many people relying on anecdotes and advocacy sites for fact sources.

You refer to end of the world types and gun nuts. That seems somewhat pejorative. While some people are obviously a bit motivated by some sense of dread, I have not met any. By the way, you might consider the book Emergency by Neil Strauss for suggestions on what to do when the S hits the fan. I'll wager that people such as myself, with a few firearms and plenty of ammo, actually pay the money to safely store both. It's like the old quote about being afraid of the person that wants just one nuclear weapon.

I'm afraid I can't abide your statement regarding Airport Security, the Patriot Act and cold medicine. I think many people, on both sides of the political spectrum, have major qualms with all of that. You list a lot of military equipment and weapons that are supposedly easily available. I'd be interested in having links to the selling sites. Frankly, I don't believe most of them. But even if I stipulate your list as accurate, I am left with a "so what" attitude. The fact of the matter is, we have not seen crimes committed with RPGs, tanks, lasers, F5's, etc. I'm most concerned about crime committed by inner city youth and gangs. These guys aren't spending $1000 on their pistols like I am. So I'm not worried about the guy that buys 10 guns. I'm more worried about the guy that wants one cheap gun.

As a graduate of Virginia Tech, I traveled to the campus to pay my respects the weekend after after the massacre there. Don't get me started about the failures of our mental health system in general and in that instance in particular. Quite possibly we will learn about similar failures in Colorado. We seem paralyzed as a society about calling a spade a spade when it comes to the mentally ill.