Germany has now banned this...

[Anonymous]

I agree with Germany on this one. It started in the US around the Victorian era as a lisle fad. There is a reason for a foreskin.
BTW, I am a mother who had her son circumcised and I regret it. Also, his father, my husband is Jewish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with Germany on this one. It started in the US around the Victorian era as a lisle fad. There is a reason for a foreskin.
BTW, I am a mother who had her son circumcised and I regret it. Also, his father, my husband is Jewish.

Why do you regret it?

Men can still have some damn good sex w/o that extra bit of skin.

please

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I KNOW this is a different issue, but female circumcision is seen as horrifying. Why is mutilating the genitals we are born with seen as OK for males when they are babies? If they reach age of consent and want to be circumcised, then fine. I may be in the minority here, but I think Germany is doing the right thing.

Well, since you KNOW I shouldn't have to point it out. Men who are circumcised seem happy with the way they are, and their sexual satisfaction scores are as high as uncircumcised men. This is untrue of female circumcision, where women find sex painful for a lifetime or in the happiest case, merely unpleasurable. Meanwhile there are reasonable health pro's and cons for male circumcision and none for female circumcision.

So they are totally different.

bingo

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I KNOW this is a different issue, but female circumcision is seen as horrifying. Why is mutilating the genitals we are born with seen as OK for males when they are babies? If they reach age of consent and want to be circumcised, then fine. I may be in the minority here, but I think Germany is doing the right thing.

Well, since you KNOW I shouldn't have to point it out. Men who are circumcised seem happy with the way they are, and their sexual satisfaction scores are as high as uncircumcised men. This is untrue of female circumcision, where women find sex painful for a lifetime or in the happiest case, merely unpleasurable. Meanwhile there are reasonable health pro's and cons for male circumcision and none for female circumcision.

So they are totally different.

bingo

Well no. One involves causing excruciating pain to a small baby who has no say in the matter. The other doesn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Meanwhile there are reasonable health pro's and cons for male circumcision and none for female circumcision.

So they are totally different[/b].

bingo

Well no. One involves causing excruciating pain to a small baby who has no say in the matter. The other doesn't.

You fail to note the health benefits. I have two sons and the discomfort (not excruciating pain) caused by circumcision seemed no worse than the vaccines they received. In fact, administering the vaccines took longer than the circumcision and, therefore, it seems the pain of vaccination lasts longer than the pain of circumcision.

[Anonymous]

it was only a matter of time before the anti- vaccination crazies came out.

[Anonymous]

Circ'd guy here.

Sex is plenty pleasurable.

I don't hate my parents at all for having me circ'd.

I don't really even think about it.

And, frankly, I think all of you who feel so passionately about it think about it FAR TOO MUCH. Especially you women. If anything, Dad should have final say on this. Because, guess what, you women don't know what you don't know.

You women with the really strongly held views about this really should just shut the fuck up about it and let the men decide. Seriously.

[Anonymous]

1) Comparing removal of the foreskin to complete removal of the labia and in some cases the sewing up and fusing of the vaginal opening is absurd - they are totally different procedures with entirely different health implications.

2) Male circumcision has health benefits (lower risk of HIV, for one thing) and does not limit male's ability to enjoy sexual intercourse. In contrast, the very reason for female circumcision is to limit female enjoyment of sex and to ensure "cleanliness" of genitalia. Female circumcision also places women at a greater risk for HIV and for severe complications during childbirth. The implications are far more severe than male circumcision and it's shocking that this distinction is being trivialized.

3) The law was passed as a means to target Jews and Muslims who do practice cirucmcision as part of their religious traditions. It's very reminicent of the French law banning headscarves in that it is intended to undermine religious and cultural practices. This law smacks of fascism and is part of an increasing wave of anti semetic / anti - ethnic stirrings in Western Europe.

4) The way that OP posted this link was intended to stir the pot. Well done, OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:it was only a matter of time before the anti- vaccination crazies came out.

Well, to be accurate, it was a pro-circumcision poster who likened the anti-circumcision folks to the anti-vaccination folks.

Signed, totally pro-vac and not sure what I think about circ (but DS is not)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is just thinly veiled anti-semitism. It's no wonder Germany is the first to do this.

Exactly! Germany is weirdly fixated on one religion and one religion alone.

They are like the creepy old guy at the club always watching and waiting for a chance to strike.
We should've kept them separated. Heck given a piece to China and another piece to the African Union.

Signed observant black woman who is Christian on turbulent plane rides

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is just thinly veiled anti-semitism. It's no wonder Germany is the first to do this.

Exactly! Germany is weirdly fixated on one religion and one religion alone.

They are like the creepy old guy at the club always watching and waiting for a chance to strike.
We should've kept them separated. Heck given a piece to China and another piece to the African Union.

Signed observant black woman who is Christian on turbulent plane rides

Except, the case at hand involved Muslims and not Jews.

So, next time, delete your ill-informed post before clicking "submit" mkay?

Dumbass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is just thinly veiled anti-semitism. It's no wonder Germany is the first to do this.

Exactly! Germany is weirdly fixated on one religion and one religion alone.

They are like the creepy old guy at the club always watching and waiting for a chance to strike.
We should've kept them separated. Heck given a piece to China and another piece to the African Union.

Signed observant black woman who is Christian on turbulent plane rides

Except, the case at hand involved Muslims and not Jews.
So, next time, delete your ill-informed post before clicking "submit" mkay?

Dumbass.

Not sure you should be calling anyone dumbass, PP. For one thing, you fail to note that the targeting of Muslims is part of a larger attempt in Western Europe to undermine religious and cultural freedoms of non-Christian, non-white Europeans. So whether it's Jews, Muslims, North Africans, there are various attempts to target religious practices as a means to "root out" cultural practices of those who are deemed "other." You should delete your ill-informed post before clicking submit... mkay?

[Anonymous]

To the random dude telling me that women should not decide this. First, you're not an expert on foreskin if you DON'T HAVE ONE. Second, would you allow your wife to cut off your daughters labia (not the clitoris or anything, just the labia) if her religion dictated it or if she felt she didn't appreciate hers? If not, then STFU.

To those of the Jewish faith, your religion doesn't give you the right to abuse a child. I posted this on the other thread, with respect to those claiming "religious freedom."

Oliver Wendell Holmes said: your rights end where mine begin.

Some fringe evangelicals believe that it is justifiable to kill an abortion doctor. They do this because their religion requires that they do all they can to save the innocent fetus. Likewise, the Jihad, is a religious mandate for some followers of Islam. Are you okay with that? Okay with female circumcision? You have to be okay with all of these if you want to be okay with religious freedom protection in this instance.

My best friend, who is Jewish, and has a (now deceased) survivor grandparent, would slap the people who compared this to the holocaust. Get real, people. And while I'm personally no Jewish religion expert, these people are:

http://www.beyondthebris.com/

http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.com/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the random dude telling me that women should not decide this. First, you're not an expert on foreskin if you DON'T HAVE ONE. Second, would you allow your wife to cut off your daughters labia (not the clitoris or anything, just the labia) if her religion dictated it or if she felt she didn't appreciate hers? If not, then STFU.

To those of the Jewish faith, your religion doesn't give you the right to abuse a child. I posted this on the other thread, with respect to those claiming "religious freedom."

Oliver Wendell Holmes said: your rights end where mine begin.

Some fringe evangelicals believe that it is justifiable to kill an abortion doctor. They do this because their religion requires that they do all they can to save the innocent fetus. Likewise, the Jihad, is a religious mandate for some followers of Islam. Are you okay with that? Okay with female circumcision? You have to be okay with all of these if you want to be okay with religious freedom protection in this instance.

My best friend, who is Jewish, and has a (now deceased) survivor grandparent, would slap the people who compared this to the holocaust. Get real, people. And while I'm personally no Jewish religion expert, these people are:

http://www.beyondthebris.com/

http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.com/

1) I have a penis. You don't. Shut the fuck up. You don't get to make a decision about your son's penis if there's a father involved. Seriously, shut the fuck up. Sit down, and shut your fucking trap.

2) The boldface is a classic example of a straw man argument. We're not TALKING about female circumcision, are we? Are you suggesting in any way, shape, or form, that female circumcision occurs with anything resembling regularity in the developed world? No, we're not. We're discussing circumcision of the penis, which is a common medical practice, and far more common than female circumcision. That's the issue -- not whether some backwards misogynistic tribe in Africa cut out the clitoris of their girls. That is NOT A COMMON OCCURRENCE in Germany, the U.S., or any other developed economy. Also, it is indisputably motivated by an intention to restrict sexual pleasure. It is a misogynistic practice. Male circumcision, on the other hand, is not motivated by misandry or an intention to deprive the patient of sexual pleasure. It has other motivations. WHICH YOU AS A WOMAN DON'T GET TO ARGUE WITH.

3) Shut the fuck up. Seriously. No one wants to hear your nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is just thinly veiled anti-semitism. It's no wonder Germany is the first to do this.

Exactly! Germany is weirdly fixated on one religion and one religion alone.

They are like the creepy old guy at the club always watching and waiting for a chance to strike.
We should've kept them separated. Heck given a piece to China and another piece to the African Union.

Signed observant black woman who is Christian on turbulent plane rides

Except, the case at hand involved Muslims and not Jews.
So, next time, delete your ill-informed post before clicking "submit" mkay?

Dumbass.

Not sure you should be calling anyone dumbass, PP. For one thing, you fail to note that the targeting of Muslims is part of a larger attempt in Western Europe to undermine religious and cultural freedoms of non-Christian, non-white Europeans. So whether it's Jews, Muslims, North Africans, there are various attempts to target religious practices as a means to "root out" cultural practices of those who are deemed "other." You should delete your ill-informed post before clicking submit... mkay?

You said, "exactly" to the charge that this is "thinly-veiled anti-Semitism," dumbass.

Dumbass.

This case had nothing to do with Jews.