Not eligible aap? Do you plan to appeal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do they resubmit the entire first package, scores and GBRS? I know another IQ test is necessary, but wondering if they start from scratch.

[list]It is my understanding they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do they resubmit the entire first package, scores and GBRS? I know another IQ test is necessary, but wondering if they start from scratch.

[list]It is my understanding they do start from scratch.

[Anonymous]

I know there is not a new GBRS written, if that is what you are asking.

[Anonymous]

NNAT 128
Cogat Verbal 126
Quant 116
non-verbal 128

GBRS 14

Not eligible. Will get a WISC and see. Probably wont appeal unless 130 or above. DD teacher feels strongly we should appeal, but officially the admin actively discourage teachers from giving advice or recommendations. I"m unclear why.

I have no idea what, if anything, to submit other than the WISC if we decide to appeal. She is artistic and loves to write stories, but submitting more artwork just seems silly at this point. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Just to add to the conversation, we have two older kids in the Level IV program. My oldest (now 6th), had almost identical scores to those above (but a GBRS of 16). found eligible.

My middle kid had a NNAT of 149 and high quant and non-verbal, but a verbal of 102. Found eligible, but the Cogat came with a coded "warning' about the discrepency of the scores and suggested this kind of split is not a good fit for a GT program. We decided to try it and he is doing great, likes it. But he is now really into writing poetry. And just got a poor grade on a geometry test. So go figure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do they resubmit the entire first package, scores and GBRS? I know another IQ test is necessary, but wondering if they start from scratch.

[list]It is my understanding they do.

PP is correct. From page 15, Local Plan for the Education of the Gifted:

http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/pdfs/localplan/FinalLocalPlan.pdf

The appeals committee reviews all appeal requests. Parents/guardians of students
not selected for the Level IV program who wish to appeal, must complete an Appeal
form (Attachment BB) according to the scheduled deadline. All screening files
receive an in-depth data review by the Central Selection Committee and the
Oversight Committee. Their decision is based on currently available information.
Therefore, appeals must contain new information (not in the original screening file).
The appeals committee reviews the original screening file as well as the new
information. This may include student work samples (stories, projects, or artwork),
awards, certificates, honors, and/or reports of academic extracurricular activities,
and letters from parents or other adults who know of the child’s advanced abilities.
Further, parents/guardians may elect to obtain additional, optional testing. FCPS
agrees to honor and accept these assessments. Individual intelligence testing from a
private licensed psychologist must be accompanied by a copy of the psychologist’s
state license. Testing results from George Mason University testing services and
other universities may also be submitted. The appeals committee consists of the
Advanced Academic coordinator, Advanced Academic Program specialists, EL
specialists, and school psychologists. The parents and guardians are notified of the
decision by mail (Attachments CC - EE).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know there is not a new GBRS written, if that is what you are asking.

[list]Yes the GBRS are only written once per year so they would use the most current GBRS.

[Anonymous]

To 23:36 the cogat this year was different and the scores go up to 160 Instead of 150 like your other children. Do the same scores may not be as 'impressive' this year.

[Anonymous]

I would not base any decision regarding appealing/not appealing on a GBRS score - those are so subjective. I wish they wouldn't even include them in the package. My DS, now in his second year of the AAP program, had a good GBRS score - but only because his 2nd grade teacher loved him. He had other teachers that constantly complained to us about his behavior and would likely have given him a super low GBRS if they had the chance. Base your decision on what you think will be best for your child. FWIW, the AAP program has been fantastic for my kid.

[Anonymous]

So, before appealing do we have to request from the central selection committee the reason for denial? I am sorry, this is a stupid question, but I thought one only needed to add a new test score (if it is different and very good). Do I have to do another parent letter? This is kind of embarrassing at this point. Sorry to waste your time with this question, just very confused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, before appealing do we have to request from the central selection committee the reason for denial? I am sorry, this is a stupid question, but I thought one only needed to add a new test score (if it is different and very good). Do I have to do another parent letter? This is kind of embarrassing at this point. Sorry to waste your time with this question, just very confused.

You may want to request a copy of your child's file from your AART. It may help you identify the weaknesses in the file that you will want to try to compensate for with the new information. Your AART may also have suggestions for what you should add to the file.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, before appealing do we have to request from the central selection committee the reason for denial? I am sorry, this is a stupid question, but I thought one only needed to add a new test score (if it is different and very good). Do I have to do another parent letter? This is kind of embarrassing at this point. Sorry to waste your time with this question, just very confused.

No, you do not get anything else from the central selection committee.

I have not appealed, but if I did, I would think a call to the AART at your school would be the first step, as well as making an appointment for WISC-IV testing. I would ask for a copy of the screening file from the AART, and you can provide additional materials (work samples, recommendation letters, etc.) to strengthen those areas that could appear "weak" in the initial screening file. Then submit these new materials along with the WISC-IV testing report with the completed appeal form:

http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/pdfs/Spring2012AdvAcadLevelIVProgramAppealForm.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, before appealing do we have to request from the central selection committee the reason for denial? I am sorry, this is a stupid question, but I thought one only needed to add a new test score (if it is different and very good). Do I have to do another parent letter? This is kind of embarrassing at this point. Sorry to waste your time with this question, just very confused.

No, you do not get anything else from the central selection committee.

I have not appealed, but if I did, I would think a call to the AART at your school would be the first step, as well as making an appointment for WISC-IV testing. I would ask for a copy of the screening file from the AART, and you can provide additional materials (work samples, recommendation letters, etc.) to strengthen those areas that could appear "weak" in the initial screening file. Then submit these new materials along with the WISC-IV testing report with the completed appeal form:

http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/pdfs/Spring2012AdvAcadLevelIVProgramAppealForm.pdf

I did get our packet back, but nothing was written on it. It looked great, except the test scores need to be higher, which is what we hope the WISC will show. I have received no indication of what to put in differently. I was only told that it looked great. But there has to be something, so we will go with a new test. My son does not test well in the non verbal category. Everything else was fine.

Also, of note, none of his friends seem to even be aware of anything going on.

[Anonymous]

Cogat 132
GPRS 15
Still found in eligible due to wrong scores sent by school , should I still appeal with all new information or just send the scores?

-Frustrated mom

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cogat 132
GPRS 15
Still found in eligible due to wrong scores sent by school , should I still appeal with all new information or just send the scores?

-Frustrated mom

Shouldn't the school be trying to fix this since this was an error on their part and not necessarily a real "appeal"? I would go talk to the principal and point this out. I would also call the AAP central office and see what they say. If your child's packet contained incorrect scores, then I feel he/she wasn't on a level playing field with everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cogat 132
GPRS 15
Still found in eligible due to wrong scores sent by school , should I still appeal with all new information or just send the scores?

-Frustrated mom

Shouldn't the school be trying to fix this since this was an error on their part and not necessarily a real "appeal"? I would go talk to the principal and point this out. I would also call the AAP central office and see what they say. If your child's packet contained incorrect scores, then I feel he/she wasn't on a level playing field with everyone else.

Agree with this PP but I would skip calling the principal and call the central AAP office instead. Appeals go to central office and I would simply seek their advice.