Planned Parenthood Already "Rapes" VA women having abortions

[Anonymous]

takoma wrote:First, it an't rape if it's consensual -- who is forced to go to PP?

Second, I may have missed something, but is there anything in the article that says the PP ultrasound is the transvaginal kind? It is sort of implied, but the wording studiously avoids saying so. As one of the comments says, that's a pivotal distinction.

I don't think OP makes much of a distinction. There was a GOP state senator who asked the question, "What's the problem [with forcing women to have unnecessary penetrative ultrasounds performed]? They've already been penetrated." Obviously the implication that, since they're dirty whores who've already had sex, they have no further right to say "No".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only a moron could try to conflate a voluntary, CONSENSUAL procedure with state-mandated Big Brother legalized rape in an effort to bully women.

Amazing how fucking stupid so many people are but as George Carlin said, "Think how stupid the average person is ... and half the people are dumber than that."

How is a government mandated procedure that is not medically necessary but only serves to enforce ones political and spiritual beliefs not a violation of my rights? I have never had an abortion and I hope to never need one, but as a women I feel very uncomfortable with the idea of the government (not a medical entity) enforcing that I be physically probed- not for any medical reason but a political one. If it was the doctor saying I needed to have it done for my health I wouldn't have a problem, but that is not the case here.

I would also like to point out that someone on the other side made the correlation between Obama's contraception plan being forced rape of religious institutions- I am gonna guess that it didn't seem as moronic to you then but now in this case where women are ACTUALLY being probed to support your own agenda it is apparently ridiculous to use the term.

Um ... PP you're quoting here, not sure why you seem to be questioning me, I agree with you and am lambasting the legislation/OP.

[Anonymous]

I misunderstood I guess, I thought you were among the group of people who are deeply offended that the term "rape" is used by those that oppose this legislation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I misunderstood I guess, I thought you were among the group of people who are deeply offended that the term "rape" is used by those that oppose this legislation.

no --- I think it's legalized rape by the state for purely political/theocratic/American Taliban reasons. 8)

[Anonymous]

“No person should be directed to undergo an invasive procedure by the state, without their consent, as a precondition to another medical procedure.”

That's Bob friggin McDonnell's statement on the legislation. Can't believe it wasn't that obvious to everyone-- but then the right wing's so-called libertarianism always gives way to its sexism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

takoma wrote:First, it an't rape if it's consensual -- who is forced to go to PP?

Second, I may have missed something, but is there anything in the article that says the PP ultrasound is the transvaginal kind? It is sort of implied, but the wording studiously avoids saying so. As one of the comments says, that's a pivotal distinction.

First, the point is that it's apparently already a standard procedure. If I were about to have an abortion, I'd certainly want the doctor to determine the gestational age of the fetus so that he/she could perform the appropriate procedure and determine if there are any special circumstances, such as an ectopic pregnancy. Who wouldn't consent to that? The ultrasound, which PP itself admittedly performs before every abortion, is for the mother's safety, so the cries of "rape" are ridiculous.

Second, the VA bill doesn't say anything about transvaginal ultrasounds, either. The type of ultrasound used would depend on how far along the pregnancy is, as I understand it, and that would be true with our without the law.

Bottom line is that nobody is "raping" anybody. What people are really objecting to, I think, is that women have to be given the OPTION of seeing the results of the ultrasound under the bill, which is designed to ensure "informed" consent. Since when is information a bad thing? If hearing that little heartbeat or seeing that little head on the sonogram changes some minds, why is that a bad thing?

I had an abortion in college. No, I had no desire to "determine the gestational age of the fetus" and shocking - I don't care that I had an abortion. I've never even thought about it. I give to PP every single year. I also give to National Abortion Rights Action League and any other organization that supports abortion.

I now have a husband and 2 kids. I am a lawyer and financially stable. I would not wish kids on anyone who was not ready or could not afford them! Get over yourselves. I know tons of women who've had abortions and never thought about it again. NEVER!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

takoma wrote:First, it an't rape if it's consensual -- who is forced to go to PP?

Second, I may have missed something, but is there anything in the article that says the PP ultrasound is the transvaginal kind? It is sort of implied, but the wording studiously avoids saying so. As one of the comments says, that's a pivotal distinction.

First, the point is that it's apparently already a standard procedure. If I were about to have an abortion, I'd certainly want the doctor to determine the gestational age of the fetus so that he/she could perform the appropriate procedure and determine if there are any special circumstances, such as an ectopic pregnancy. Who wouldn't consent to that? The ultrasound, which PP itself admittedly performs before every abortion, is for the mother's safety, so the cries of "rape" are ridiculous.

Second, the VA bill doesn't say anything about transvaginal ultrasounds, either. The type of ultrasound used would depend on how far along the pregnancy is, as I understand it, and that would be true with our without the law.

Bottom line is that nobody is "raping" anybody. What people are really objecting to, I think, is that women have to be given the OPTION of seeing the results of the ultrasound under the bill, which is designed to ensure "informed" consent. Since when is information a bad thing? If hearing that little heartbeat or seeing that little head on the sonogram changes some minds, why is that a bad thing?

I had an abortion in college. No, I had no desire to "determine the gestational age of the fetus" and shocking - I don't care that I had an abortion. I've never even thought about it. I give to PP every single year. I also give to National Abortion Rights Action League and any other organization that supports abortion.

I now have a husband and 2 kids. I am a lawyer and financially stable. I would not wish kids on anyone who was not ready or could not afford them! Get over yourselves. I know tons of women who've had abortions and never thought about it again. NEVER!

Well said. ITA. The right wing nuts have so distorted the public's perception that women are supposed to feel guilty about not absent-mindedly popping out tons of kids they can't support because somehow God will provide. See the recent NYT article about the good white tea partiers of Chisago County, NJ who benefit from free and reduced lunches in school, from the earned income tax credit and a whole host of other government programs they decry as "breeding dependency." Dependency in whom, homeboy?

[Anonymous]

Private school here costs 30k a year. For a family of 3, public education saves them 1 million dollars.