Planned Parenthood Already "Rapes" VA women having abortions
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First, it an't rape if it's consensual -- who is forced to go to PP?
Second, I may have missed something, but is there anything in the article that says the PP ultrasound is the transvaginal kind? It is sort of implied, but the wording studiously avoids saying so. As one of the comments says, that's a pivotal distinction. |
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First, it an't rape if it's consensual -- who is forced to go to PP?
EXACTLY And I doubt PP is forcing women to listen to hearbeats. It is up to the patient and the doctor to decide what's necessary. VA better butt OUT |
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First, the point is that it's apparently already a standard procedure. If I were about to have an abortion, I'd certainly want the doctor to determine the gestational age of the fetus so that he/she could perform the appropriate procedure and determine if there are any special circumstances, such as an ectopic pregnancy. Who wouldn't consent to that? The ultrasound, which PP itself admittedly performs before every abortion, is for the mother's safety, so the cries of "rape" are ridiculous. Second, the VA bill doesn't say anything about transvaginal ultrasounds, either. The type of ultrasound used would depend on how far along the pregnancy is, as I understand it, and that would be true with our without the law. Bottom line is that nobody is "raping" anybody. What people are really objecting to, I think, is that women have to be given the OPTION of seeing the results of the ultrasound under the bill, which is designed to ensure "informed" consent. Since when is information a bad thing? If hearing that little heartbeat or seeing that little head on the sonogram changes some minds, why is that a bad thing? |
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It's a well-known fact that abdominal ultrasounds are not sensitive enough to detect pregnancy in the first trimester, so the bill would require transvaginal ultrasounds for any first trimester abortion, which is most of them.
The FBI defines penetration of the vagina by an object without consent as rape. So yes, being forced to have a transvaginal ultrasound against your will is rape. The fact that some patients might consent to an ultrasound, or even want one, is completely irrelevant-- just like the fact that some women consent to sex, or even seek it out, is completely irrelevant to whether a man forcing sex on an woman without consent is rape. |
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| No one is forcing anyone to have a transvaginal ultra sound. A woman who choses to have an abortion consents to the ultrasound in order to get the abortion. No one is holding anyone down for the ultrasound. If you don't want the ultrasound you don't have to have an abortion. How is this rape? |
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Fucking right-wing media and their fucking strawmen arguments. |
Anonymous
How about the next time you need medical care you need to get a stick shoved up your ass first, but hey it's up to you to decide if you want the medical care or not? |
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| I just don't get why nobody was offended when it was Planned Parenthood that made you have an ultrasound (according to their own information hotline). Why aren't you all calling Planned Parenthood "rapists" for making ultrasounds part of their standard abortion procedure? Why would you "consent" when Planned Parenthood does it but cry "rape" when the state requires Planned Parenthood to do the exact same thing? Be honest and admit that what you object to is not the ultrasound itslef (which you had no problem with Planned Parenthood performing) but the requirement that women be given the option to see/hear the results of the ultrasound. |
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| Didn't the VA Governor write his thesis on this. No, he changed his views on this stuff? |
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Well-reasoned. |
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| The difference is that Republicans are trying to make this a "government mandate" that applies to a woman's control over her own body, her understanding that it is a private health clinic's standard policy. I thought Republicans prided themselves on the fewer government mandates, the better. ? |
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This. But, in truth, I've had 4 D&C's for miscarriage. That's the same procedure as an "abortion." I've long wondered whether anyone writing these anti-abortion laws had made this connection or figured this out yet, that women who are trying to have a live baby use this procedure too. Do they really intend to force women who've had miscarriages to look at their dead babies? BTW - I've had 3 different OB tell me there's absolutely no way to know FOR SURE whether the pregnancy is really over, so even when you think you're dealing with a miscarriage you are always dealing with a small element of guessing. The only way to be consistent with an anti-abortion law then, is to refuse D&Cs for all women in all scenarios. You'd just be too open to liability if you didn't. Wonder what it's going to look like when those chickens come home to roost. |
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Hey smarty pants... actually, if they are doing a prostate biopsy, they will put an ultrasound up "your ass" (your words). Its called a transrectal ultrasound and medically necessary in order to ensure adequate and proper specimens are retrieved--- just like before certain gestational ages, a transvaginal ultrasound is necessary to verify both pregnancy and its location. Get over yourself and your ignorant comments. Yes, it is up to you to get medical care--- appropriate and safe medical care. How fast you would cry foul if a doctor tried to evacuate a pregnancy from a uterus only to find out a couple weeks later that the tiny sac of tissue was in the fallopian tubes and it ruptured the tube and killed the woman. 
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