The worst presidents in the post WWII era

[takoma]

Anonymous wrote:Obamas signature accomplishment thus far is getting OBL. It will be interesting to see how much credit the voters give him for that.

The foreign policy grade might go way down if Egypt, Libya and other countries are controlled bu radical Islamists.

The loss of our drone to the Iranians could prove to be worse for Obama than the hostages were for Carter.

I think the drone is more similar to Eisenhower's U2. But the U2 involved Ike getting caught in a lie and the pilot getting captured, so it was much worse. Big stain on Eisenhower's memory? Not so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Obamas signature accomplishment thus far is getting OBL. It will be interesting to see how much credit the voters give him for that.

The foreign policy grade might go way down if Egypt, Libya and other countries are controlled bu radical Islamists.

The loss of our drone to the Iranians could prove to be worse for Obama than the hostages were for Carter.

Hardly.

Everyone knows that a drone is going to go down some time if you use them enough. What are you going to do, NOT spy on Iran? What's the point of having the things if you are going to keep them sitting in a shed? Save them for a bigger threat?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Obamas signature accomplishment thus far is getting OBL. It will be interesting to see how much credit the voters give him for that.

The foreign policy grade might go way down if Egypt, Libya and other countries are controlled bu radical Islamists.

The loss of our drone to the Iranians could prove to be worse for Obama than the hostages were for Carter.

It's funny to see how the Republican candidates are hemming and hawing on Arab Spring. THey know that Obama is wrong, but they won't know why until after it all unfolds. Hey guys, it's time to start formulating your own policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obamas signature accomplishment thus far is getting OBL. It will be interesting to see how much credit the voters give him for that.

The foreign policy grade might go way down if Egypt, Libya and other countries are controlled bu radical Islamists.

The loss of our drone to the Iranians could prove to be worse for Obama than the hostages were for Carter.

Hardly.

Everyone knows that a drone is going to go down some time if you use them enough. What are you going to do, NOT spy on Iran? What's the point of having the things if you are going to keep them sitting in a shed? Save them for a bigger threat?

I think the point is that the increased use of drones put the technology at risk. If O gets gets credit for increased use of drones he must take reponsibility for the consequences. Only time will tell whether it was worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obamas signature accomplishment thus far is getting OBL. It will be interesting to see how much credit the voters give him for that.

The foreign policy grade might go way down if Egypt, Libya and other countries are controlled bu radical Islamists.

The loss of our drone to the Iranians could prove to be worse for Obama than the hostages were for Carter.

It's funny to see how the Republican candidates are hemming and hawing on Arab Spring. THey know that Obama is wrong, but they won't know why until after it all unfolds. Hey guys, it's time to start formulating your own policy.

If you think that is funny, Washington must have you in stitches. Politicians get credit or blame for what happens on their watch with regard to actual responsibility. Did Obama "get Bin laden?" most would say so even though his personal involvement was limited. Likewise Obama will take the blame if radical Islam gains control in strategically important countries on his watch. But, let's be honest, Obama could ave. kep Mubarak in control and could have allowed Libya to stress the rebellion. He chose not to. Let's see how it works out.

[Anonymous]

yes obama is horrible, you will see a lot of smoke and mirrors justifying the failed obama economic recovery policies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obamas signature accomplishment thus far is getting OBL. It will be interesting to see how much credit the voters give him for that.

The foreign policy grade might go way down if Egypt, Libya and other countries are controlled bu radical Islamists.

The loss of our drone to the Iranians could prove to be worse for Obama than the hostages were for Carter.

Hardly.

Everyone knows that a drone is going to go down some time if you use them enough. What are you going to do, NOT spy on Iran? What's the point of having the things if you are going to keep them sitting in a shed? Save them for a bigger threat?

I think the point is that the increased use of drones put the technology at risk. If O gets gets credit for increased use of drones he must take reponsibility for the consequences. Only time will tell whether it was worth it.

I wish we were that concerned about soldiers.

But drones have already become our most effective weapon in the region. And I can't imagine a better use than to spy on the rogue nation building nukes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obamas signature accomplishment thus far is getting OBL. It will be interesting to see how much credit the voters give him for that.

The foreign policy grade might go way down if Egypt, Libya and other countries are controlled bu radical Islamists.

The loss of our drone to the Iranians could prove to be worse for Obama than the hostages were for Carter.

It's funny to see how the Republican candidates are hemming and hawing on Arab Spring. THey know that Obama is wrong, but they won't know why until after it all unfolds. Hey guys, it's time to start formulating your own policy.

If you think that is funny, Washington must have you in stitches. Politicians get credit or blame for what happens on their watch with regard to actual responsibility. Did Obama "get Bin laden?" most would say so even though his personal involvement was limited. Likewise Obama will take the blame if radical Islam gains control in strategically important countries on his watch. But, let's be honest, Obama could ave. kep Mubarak in control and could have allowed Libya to stress the rebellion. He chose not to. Let's see how it works out.

Yeah but Obama has to take a position. These guys don't know what position to take, and that's why they aren't presidential material. There is no apron to hide behind when you are commander in chief.

[Anonymous]

Obama personally took a controversial position to take The war to Pakistan. He was criticized for it but that policy is why we got bin laden. He did not have minor involvement in getting OBL.

[Anonymous]

Worst -- George W. Bush -- our kids and grandkids will be paying forever.Can't believe the number of Republican myopics on this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:yes obama is horrible, you will see a lot of smoke and mirrors justifying the failed obama economic recovery policies.

Obama's economic policies have been largely successful given GOP opposition and opposition from the right-wing of his own party. You can only do so much when partisans from across the aisle are actively trying to sabotage your efforts.

[Anonymous]

Here here to 15:34. We do not have a parliamentary system.

[takoma]

Anonymous wrote:Here here to 15:34. We do not have a parliamentary system.

Or "hear, hear". But for our purposes should probably be changed to "read, read".

[TheManWithAUsername]

Anonymous wrote:Worst -- George W. Bush -- our kids and grandkids will be paying forever.Can't believe the number of Republican myopics on this thread.

Questions like this are pointless to discuss with the yahoos dominating the rank-and-file now. I can imagine an argument for just about any of them as best post-war or as 2nd-worst, but to pick anyone other than W as worst is just ridiculous, almost regardless of your ideology.

[Anonymous]

TheManWithAUsername wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Worst -- George W. Bush -- our kids and grandkids will be paying forever.Can't believe the number of Republican myopics on this thread.

Questions like this are pointless to discuss with the yahoos dominating the rank-and-file now. I can imagine an argument for just about any of them as best post-war or as 2nd-worst, but to pick anyone other than W as worst is just ridiculous, almost regardless of your ideology.

W kept us safe for 8 years after 9/11, stopped many many viable threats, took the war to the islamic terrorists on their turf and responded quickly, effectively and decisively to the market downturn. unemployment was low and deficits were relatively low. he should have down more against fannie and freddie, but his hands were somewhat tied.