What happened to Baby Lisa?

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Anonymous wrote:It is more than one poster arguing that having one drink doesn't make you a raging alcoholic. I know because I posted the original post, but none of the others.

NP here and I agree. Something's off with this case.

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Anonymous wrote:ok, while I think in this case, there is more to the story than "I just had a drink," I think it is a leap to say that you can never have a drink when your kid is home with you. I'm not talking a case of beer or a box of wine - one glass of wine does NOT turn you into a monster who would kill your kid if you aren't an alcoholic. A drink or even two does not change MOST people - obviously, you shouldn't get behind the wheel with your kids after you've had a drink, but I think trying to get all high and mighty about "never drink if your kids are home with you" is a bit goofy.

Another drunk parent making excuses for themselves. What a shame!

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Save your alcohol for when you don't have an incapable under your watch. This is very sad and irresponsible!

Shut up. Just because you can't control yourself while having one glass of wine doesn't mean the rest of us are so out of control.

I bet this is what baby Lisa's mom is telling herself right now...

Why are you so defensive anyway? It was JUST.ONE.GLASS...

I think you should be asking yourself why you are so "the sky is falling." I'm not defensive at all. You're projecting and barfing your issues all over here. Just pointing it out that you might have a lack of control issue.

You told me to shut up. If that's not being defensive I think you had more than just one glass.

I told you to shut up because you're a judgmental asshole. That's not being defensive. That's calling a spade a spade. Sorry, if you can't take the heat.... And maybe go see someone about those issues you're having.

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Anonymous wrote:ok, while I think in this case, there is more to the story than "I just had a drink," I think it is a leap to say that you can never have a drink when your kid is home with you. I'm not talking a case of beer or a box of wine - one glass of wine does NOT turn you into a monster who would kill your kid if you aren't an alcoholic. A drink or even two does not change MOST people - obviously, you shouldn't get behind the wheel with your kids after you've had a drink, but I think trying to get all high and mighty about "never drink if your kids are home with you" is a bit goofy.

Another drunk parent making excuses for themselves. What a shame!

Sorry hit submit too soon...

Save your alcohol for when you don't have an incapable under your watch. This is very sad and irresponsible!

Shut up. Just because you can't control yourself while having one glass of wine doesn't mean the rest of us are so out of control.

I bet this is what baby Lisa's mom is telling herself right now...

Why are you so defensive anyway? It was JUST.ONE.GLASS...

I think you should be asking yourself why you are so "the sky is falling." I'm not defensive at all. You're projecting and barfing your issues all over here. Just pointing it out that you might have a lack of control issue.

You told me to shut up. If that's not being defensive I think you had more than just one glass.

I told you to shut up because you're a judgmental asshole. That's not being defensive. That's calling a spade a spade. Sorry, if you can't take the heat.... And maybe go see someone about those issues you're having.

I think you have a serious problem you're trying to pretend you don't. Please look into it for the sake of your children (if - god forbid - you have any).

I have no problems with alcohol. I don't drink when I'm in charge of my children and I save this kind of entertainment for when only adults are present. I have this issue very well resolved in my life and you're the only one here sounding like you don't. You're cursing, yelling and super defensive - and that says a lot about you.

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Anonymous wrote:ok, while I think in this case, there is more to the story than "I just had a drink," I think it is a leap to say that you can never have a drink when your kid is home with you. I'm not talking a case of beer or a box of wine - one glass of wine does NOT turn you into a monster who would kill your kid if you aren't an alcoholic. A drink or even two does not change MOST people - obviously, you shouldn't get behind the wheel with your kids after you've had a drink, but I think trying to get all high and mighty about "never drink if your kids are home with you" is a bit goofy.

Another drunk parent making excuses for themselves. What a shame!

Sorry hit submit too soon...

Save your alcohol for when you don't have an incapable under your watch. This is very sad and irresponsible!

Shut up. Just because you can't control yourself while having one glass of wine doesn't mean the rest of us are so out of control.

I bet this is what baby Lisa's mom is telling herself right now...

Why are you so defensive anyway? It was JUST.ONE.GLASS...

I think you should be asking yourself why you are so "the sky is falling." I'm not defensive at all. You're projecting and barfing your issues all over here. Just pointing it out that you might have a lack of control issue.

You told me to shut up. If that's not being defensive I think you had more than just one glass.

I told you to shut up because you're a judgmental asshole. That's not being defensive. That's calling a spade a spade. Sorry, if you can't take the heat.... And maybe go see someone about those issues you're having.

I think you have a serious problem you're trying to pretend you don't. Please look into it for the sake of your children (if - god forbid - you have any).

I have no problems with alcohol. I don't drink when I'm in charge of my children and I save this kind of entertainment for when only adults are present. I have this issue very well resolved in my life and you're the only one here sounding like you don't. You're cursing, yelling and super defensive - and that says a lot about you.

HA HA! Yeah, OK. Calling people drunks when they have one glass of wine is clearly evidence of being "very well resolved in your life" around this issue. OK. Yeah. Keep telling yourself that.

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Anonymous wrote:ok, while I think in this case, there is more to the story than "I just had a drink," I think it is a leap to say that you can never have a drink when your kid is home with you. I'm not talking a case of beer or a box of wine - one glass of wine does NOT turn you into a monster who would kill your kid if you aren't an alcoholic. A drink or even two does not change MOST people - obviously, you shouldn't get behind the wheel with your kids after you've had a drink, but I think trying to get all high and mighty about "never drink if your kids are home with you" is a bit goofy.

Another drunk parent making excuses for themselves. What a shame!

Sorry hit submit too soon...

Save your alcohol for when you don't have an incapable under your watch. This is very sad and irresponsible!

Shut up. Just because you can't control yourself while having one glass of wine doesn't mean the rest of us are so out of control.

I bet this is what baby Lisa's mom is telling herself right now...

Why are you so defensive anyway? It was JUST.ONE.GLASS...

I think you should be asking yourself why you are so "the sky is falling." I'm not defensive at all. You're projecting and barfing your issues all over here. Just pointing it out that you might have a lack of control issue.

You told me to shut up. If that's not being defensive I think you had more than just one glass.

I told you to shut up because you're a judgmental asshole. That's not being defensive. That's calling a spade a spade. Sorry, if you can't take the heat.... And maybe go see someone about those issues you're having.

I think you have a serious problem you're trying to pretend you don't. Please look into it for the sake of your children (if - god forbid - you have any).

I have no problems with alcohol. I don't drink when I'm in charge of my children and I save this kind of entertainment for when only adults are present. I have this issue very well resolved in my life and you're the only one here sounding like you don't. You're cursing, yelling and super defensive - and that says a lot about you.

HA HA! Yeah, OK. Calling people drunks when they have one glass of wine is clearly evidence of being "very well resolved in your life" around this issue. OK. Yeah. Keep telling yourself that.

You're saying one glass but who knows the truth, right? Anyway, this is sad, very sad.

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NP here- 12:47 you are coming off as extremely judgmental. Are you the same person from the Amanda Knox thread who thinks smoking pot makes you a murderer? and now drinking makes you a bad parent/baby killer?

I am sad for the family, not sure what the story is but I wouldn't assume a glass of wine made this women kill her child.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here- 12:47 you are coming off as extremely judgmental. Are you the same person from the Amanda Knox thread who thinks smoking pot makes you a murderer? and now drinking makes you a bad parent/baby killer?

I am sad for the family, not sure what the story is but I wouldn't assume a glass of wine made this women kill her child.

I'm not in that thread but I was just responding to a person who seemed to be making excuses to drinking while in charge of little ones.

It's never OK, being it one bottle or one sip.

Once one decides to be a parent they should be mature enough to know better. Alcohol definitely has its place and it doesn't belong with watching little children.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here- 12:47 you are coming off as extremely judgmental. Are you the same person from the Amanda Knox thread who thinks smoking pot makes you a murderer? and now drinking makes you a bad parent/baby killer?

I am sad for the family, not sure what the story is but I wouldn't assume a glass of wine made this women kill her child.

Thank you, sane person

She probably didn't have "just one drink." There is more going on. But it just doesn't make sense to call anyone who has had a glass or two of wine (or a bottle of beer, what have you) in their home on occasion when they are caring for their children a drunk, either.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here- 12:47 you are coming off as extremely judgmental. Are you the same person from the Amanda Knox thread who thinks smoking pot makes you a murderer? and now drinking makes you a bad parent/baby killer?

I am sad for the family, not sure what the story is but I wouldn't assume a glass of wine made this women kill her child.

I'm not in that thread but I was just responding to a person who seemed to be making excuses to drinking while in charge of little ones.

It's never OK, being it one bottle or one sip.

Once one decides to be a parent they should be mature enough to know better. Alcohol definitely has its place and it doesn't belong with watching little children.

you don't see this an extreme- so for 18 years while you have a child in your care, one sip is completely out of the question unless you have a babysitter or something?

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I really hope that the police are seriously looking at other suspects. Looking at the mom is fine, as long as she isn't their only focus. Rare or not, non-parental abductions do happen, and I'd hate for them to miss other leads. A failed polygraph or a glass of cheap wine is not evidence.

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Anonymous wrote:ok, while I think in this case, there is more to the story than "I just had a drink," I think it is a leap to say that you can never have a drink when your kid is home with you. I'm not talking a case of beer or a box of wine - one glass of wine does NOT turn you into a monster who would kill your kid if you aren't an alcoholic. A drink or even two does not change MOST people - obviously, you shouldn't get behind the wheel with your kids after you've had a drink, but I think trying to get all high and mighty about "never drink if your kids are home with you" is a bit goofy.

Another drunk parent making excuses for themselves. What a shame!

Sorry hit submit too soon...

Save your alcohol for when you don't have an incapable under your watch. This is very sad and irresponsible!

Shut up. Just because you can't control yourself while having one glass of wine doesn't mean the rest of us are so out of control.

I bet this is what baby Lisa's mom is telling herself right now...

Why are you so defensive anyway? It was JUST.ONE.GLASS...

Where did the mother say it was "just one glass"? She said she was DRUNK. If you can't tell the difference, well... I think you're the one with issues.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here- 12:47 you are coming off as extremely judgmental. Are you the same person from the Amanda Knox thread who thinks smoking pot makes you a murderer? and now drinking makes you a bad parent/baby killer?

I am sad for the family, not sure what the story is but I wouldn't assume a glass of wine made this women kill her child.

I'm not in that thread but I was just responding to a person who seemed to be making excuses to drinking while in charge of little ones.

It's never OK, being it one bottle or one sip.

Once one decides to be a parent they should be mature enough to know better. Alcohol definitely has its place and it doesn't belong with watching little children.

I have to disagree. I have found moderate drinking to be an excellent complement to looking after children.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here- 12:47 you are coming off as extremely judgmental. Are you the same person from the Amanda Knox thread who thinks smoking pot makes you a murderer? and now drinking makes you a bad parent/baby killer?

I am sad for the family, not sure what the story is but I wouldn't assume a glass of wine made this women kill her child.

I'm not in that thread but I was just responding to a person who seemed to be making excuses to drinking while in charge of little ones.

It's never OK, being it one bottle or one sip.

Once one decides to be a parent they should be mature enough to know better. Alcohol definitely has its place and it doesn't belong with watching little children.

you don't see this an extreme- so for 18 years while you have a child in your care, one sip is completely out of the question unless you have a babysitter or something?

Not for 18 years but if I'm the only one in charge I'd rather be alcohol free. I worked as a life guard for a good chunck of my youth and I've seen ugly things happen with people who had only one glass.

I would want to be sober and ready to go in case of a fire, a medical emergency, home burglary or just a scared kid who had a nightmare. I've been taking turns drinking with groups of friends as soon as we were allowed to drink and we never had a problem with that. OTOH, I've seen sad things happen when a sober person was needed.

I come from a place where the tolerance for alcohol is zero so you cannot drive, operate machinery or go to work if you had what you call "just one glass" why would I want to jeopardize the safety of my family for that little pleasure? My peace of mind is more valuable than that sip of alcohol. And I'm sorry if I sounded so judgmental but we know what drunk people sound like when they try to make excuses, there's no need to pretend anything here. We're all anonymous anyway.

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I'm not in that thread but I was just responding to a person who seemed to be making excuses to drinking while in charge of little ones.

It's never OK, being it one bottle or one sip.

Once one decides to be a parent they should be mature enough to know better. Alcohol definitely has its place and it doesn't belong with watching little children.

you don't see this an extreme- so for 18 years while you have a child in your care, one sip is completely out of the question unless you have a babysitter or something?

Not for 18 years but if I'm the only one in charge I'd rather be alcohol free. I worked as a life guard for a good chunck of my youth and I've seen ugly things happen with people who had only one glass.

I would want to be sober and ready to go in case of a fire, a medical emergency, home burglary or just a scared kid who had a nightmare. I've been taking turns drinking with groups of friends as soon as we were allowed to drink and we never had a problem with that. OTOH, I've seen sad things happen when a sober person was needed.


NP here. I'm not a drinker, but couldn't the same be applied to taking cold/allergy/anti-depressants, etc.? I've taken meds where they've made me loopy or sleepy. There are a lot of things that have similar effects of alcohol.

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where did she say she was drunk?