What the Wall Street Protesters Want

[TheManWithAUsername]

Anonymous wrote:

TheManWithAUsername wrote:The other strong theme, though, is health care. If we had had universal healthcare and real banking regulation, we wouldn't have had either of these angry movements.

Not true. We'd be Greece and protesting in the streets because we couldn't afford all of the regulation and handouts.

You must be the "tax the indigent" person; I hope there are not two as dumb as you here.

We're twice as rich per capita as Greece. Twice.

And the absence of better banking regulation caused this crisis, therefore cost us money, so there's nothing to "afford." I can't believe that I actually had to state that.

[Anonymous]

Are these mostly the children of Boomers?

[Anonymous]

"profit is obscene when it costs people their lives. "

How is profit killing people? Did profit pick a gun and start shooting? Who is this profit, is it the second coming? We need to go back to supply and demand for everything NO MORE subsidizing failure or welfare. Get the fuck off your ass suck it up and work and mcdonalds if you can't get a job because your skillset is useless. People will stay unemployed until they get paid more then unemployment.

FYI because we are the richest world in the country we are subsidizing other country's medical costs. A good example is college books, you pay 100 here but if you go to india for the same book its like 75, that is why it is cheaper to buy from india and ship here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"profit is obscene when it costs people their lives. "

How is profit killing people? Did profit pick a gun and start shooting? Who is this profit, is it the second coming? We need to go back to supply and demand for everything NO MORE subsidizing failure or welfare. Get the fuck off your ass suck it up and work and mcdonalds if you can't get a job because your skillset is useless. People will stay unemployed until they get paid more then unemployment.

FYI because we are the richest world in the country we are subsidizing other country's medical costs. A good example is college books, you pay 100 here but if you go to india for the same book its like 75, that is why it is cheaper to buy from india and ship here.

Most of the protesters have jobs. WSJ is the source on that. So this idea that these people are unemployed complainers is a red herring.

[Anonymous]

TheManWithAUsername wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

TheManWithAUsername wrote:The other strong theme, though, is health care. If we had had universal healthcare and real banking regulation, we wouldn't have had either of these angry movements.

Not true. We'd be Greece and protesting in the streets because we couldn't afford all of the regulation and handouts.

You must be the "tax the indigent" person; I hope there are not two as dumb as you here.

We're twice as rich per capita as Greece. Twice.

And the absence of better banking regulation caused this crisis, therefore cost us money, so there's nothing to "afford." I can't believe that I actually had to state that.

You're not making any sense. Greece has overly generous union rules for public employees, overly generous pension requirements and a population that expects to work a short work week while being guaranteed a job for life. If the US continues to expand the welfare and entitlement state, we'll be in the same situation as Greece -- a nation unable to "afford" the benefits it has promised its citizens because the rich, on whom the system relied too heavily to pay taxes, left the country. Which also gets at why the US is "twice as rich per capita as Greece. Twice." None of this (over promising entitlements) would be solved by banking regulation. That has to do with economic lubrication through capital liquidity and reserving requirements. Sheesh. I can't believe I that I actually had to state that.

[Anonymous]

"profit is obscene when it costs people their lives. "

Also, as another poster stated, it is not the manufacturers who are profiting, nor are people losing their lives due to shortages. It's middle men who see an arbitrage opportunity. You can't make a market work if there isn't profit available in it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

TheManWithAUsername wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don't get it. Some of the Occupiers seem to be college educated, but in areas of study that really don't have a lot to offer in terms of employment. Who's fault is that? Apply your skills in a different way and get over yourself.

Also, if they take down the 1% that they're rallying against, won't there just be another 1% to take their place?

It's not as if that group making less money, or paying more in taxes, will result in more jobs for art history majors or money in their pocket. That is just lost economic value.

From the site with the pics and short statements (WTF is tumbler? I'm old.), there did seem to be very many over- and uselessly educated people. We need to start referring to the student loan-educational complex. All these kids being sold the lie that a liberal arts education is important, and then adopting the belief that they're entitled to it for that reason.

The other strong theme, though, is health care. If we had had universal healthcare and real banking regulation, we wouldn't have had either of these angry movements.

Not true. We'd be Greece and protesting in the streets because we couldn't afford all of the regulation and handouts.

Not true. Greece is protesting in the streets because for eons now people there have been evading their taxes while receving nice benefits and the government is broke. It has nothing to do with regulation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"profit is obscene when it costs people their lives. "

How is profit killing people? Did profit pick a gun and start shooting? Who is this profit, is it the second coming? We need to go back to supply and demand for everything NO MORE subsidizing failure or welfare. Get the fuck off your ass suck it up and work and mcdonalds if you can't get a job because your skillset is useless. People will stay unemployed until they get paid more then unemployment.

FYI because we are the richest world in the country we are subsidizing other country's medical costs. A good example is college books, you pay 100 here but if you go to india for the same book its like 75, that is why it is cheaper to buy from india and ship here.

Ok, I want to know if you are that girl's left boob or right boob, because you can't possibly be as smart as the two of them put together. Or are you smoking something? WTF are you talking about? We are subsidizing other countries' medical costs? Seriously? We can't even afford our own medical costs, for which we pay twice as much as the next country down the list, for at best similar outcomes. And what do college books have to do with anything? You seriously think that publishers publish those cheaper books (in tiny print, on crappy paper) in India out of the goodness of their heart? No, that's just what the market will bear.

Go learn to spell, get an education, and don't say anything else before you do that.

[Anonymous]

We do subsidize other countries' health care. We pay higher prices for meds so that the drug makers can afford to give discounts to the countries that negotiate them as part of national health plans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"profit is obscene when it costs people their lives. "

Also, as another poster stated, it is not the manufacturers who are profiting, nor are people losing their lives due to shortages. It's middle men who see an arbitrage opportunity. You can't make a market work if there isn't profit available in it.

As I said, I don't begrudge anyone a FAIR profit. But price gouging and risking lives is unconscionable. Which is exactly why we need more governmental regulation, not less. The love of money is the root of kinds all evil.

[TheManWithAUsername]

Anonymous wrote:Get the fuck off your ass suck it up and work and mcdonalds if you can't get a job because your skillset is useless.

Only 6% of applicants to McDonalds get hired.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-28/mcdonald-...vent-24-more-than-planned.html

Would you support a legislated guarantee of a job to anyone willing to take one? No, you'd rather just live in a fantasy world of invisible hands.

Anonymous wrote:FYI because we are the richest world in the country we are subsidizing other country's medical costs. A good example is college books, you pay 100 here but if you go to india for the same book its like 75, that is why it is cheaper to buy from india and ship here.

Did random thoughts just fall out of your head?

[Anonymous]

I do like the hippie smells t-shirt.

[TheManWithAUsername]

Anonymous wrote:Greece has overly generous union rules for public employees, overly generous pension requirements and a population that expects to work a short work week while being guaranteed a job for life.

You said that universal health care and stronger banking regulation, not these other things, would cause marching in our streets. I take it you've now abandoned that?

Anonymous wrote:we'll be in the same situation as Greece -- a nation unable to "afford" the benefits it has promised its citizens because the rich, on whom the system relied too heavily to pay taxes, left the country.

That's why during the later 2/3 of the 20th century, when our tax system was more progressive, all of our rich left to various third-world paradises, and we now have none left. That's why every country with a single-payer system is collapsing like Greece.

Anonymous wrote:None of this (over promising entitlements) would be solved by banking regulation.

You're the one inexplicably associating them. I said that effective regulation would have prevented the crisis. No crisis, no bailout, no TP or OWS.

[Anonymous]

TheManWithAUsername wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Greece has overly generous union rules for public employees, overly generous pension requirements and a population that expects to work a short work week while being guaranteed a job for life.

You said that universal health care and stronger banking regulation, not these other things, would cause marching in our streets. I take it you've now abandoned that?

Anonymous wrote:we'll be in the same situation as Greece -- a nation unable to "afford" the benefits it has promised its citizens because the rich, on whom the system relied too heavily to pay taxes, left the country.

That's why during the later 2/3 of the 20th century, when our tax system was more progressive, all of our rich left to various third-world paradises, and we now have none left. That's why every country with a single-payer system is collapsing like Greece.

Anonymous wrote:None of this (over promising entitlements) would be solved by banking regulation.

You're the one inexplicably associating them. I said that effective regulation would have prevented the crisis. No crisis, no bailout, no TP or OWS.

I give up. You're the one with shifting associations. I should learn my lesson and stop trying to be reasonable with irrational people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Most of the protesters have jobs. WSJ is the source on that. So this idea that these people are unemployed complainers is a red herring.

Aw, c'mon! Surely only an unhinged leftist lazy-bones would be upset with 10% unemployment, coupled with showering the financial services companies who burnt down their own industry with billions on a monthly basis! Meanwhile, look! Here's a pretty 18 year old conservative girl!

Right-wingers really are fucking stupid as a post, aren't they?