Mormonism and women

[Anonymous]

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FWIW mormon's do use birth control. And to the PP who said she went to friend's second kid's 1st bday party and all her mormon friends were there with her kids and then in the next line said mormons have all those kids to isolate the women...that doesn't make sense. either she was isolated and had no friends (including you) or she was not isolated and had friends over (including you.) Which is it? Was she isolated and friendless or did she have friends over? Sounds like she had friends who shared similar beliefs and commonalities. Just because they aren't your beliefs and you don't share a religion in common, doesn't mean she was isolated or demeaned in any way.

Not the PP, but I took that comment to mean isolated from other larger societal issues and opportunities beyond playdates and birthday parties, and other kid-centered activities. And fine if a woman wants that/chooses that, but some of us outside the religion or culture might find it odd if she's doing it because her husband is "in charge" or because her religion wants it that way.

I am the PP who made the original comment about my friend being isolated. I meant it was a form of social pressure within the church to breed, breed, breed. If they didn't, they'd be pretty much the odd couple out at their church (social outcastes). And the more kids you have, the harder it is to leave the church. I don't know many women who aren't ultra religious (catholic or mormon) who have a brood of 4-5 kids that close together in age. But to them, it is common - creates a sense of community but also separates them from the wider society as most of their non-mormon friends don't live like this. And lets face it - while yes she was totally "allowed" to socialize with non-mormons, any mom with that many kids knows that kid-free time for socializing is limited. And any mom with a friend who has that many kids knows that the amount of time you want to spend with a friend who has her 4-5 kids WITH her is also limited. I mean, lets be real.

Anyway, she was isolated from her biological family because they were Catholic. She coverted in college so she could date a guy who was a really devout mormon. Her family didn't disown her or anything, but they were really crushed that they couldn't attend their only daughter's wedding (which took place in a temple). I think setting up rules like that are horribly isolating and hurtful.

But there is a happy ending . . . she left her husband (and the church), and now has a great career and a wonderful relationship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bashing Catholics and Mormons... the last, acceptable, politically-correct bigotry.

How could you leave out the Muslims?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What can you expect from a religion with a leader who had a revelation in the 20th Century from God that it was okay for blacks to join? Something wrong with the channels of communication? Maybe they will get another message about women.

This is a bit unfair. Blacks were always allowed to join the Mormon religion, it's just that Mormons believed their swarthy skin was the Mark of Cain. So while all Mormon men over a certain age automatically become "priests", black men weren't allowed to. So in that sense black Mormons had all the curtailed rights that Morman womenfolk have.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bashing Catholics and Mormons... the last, acceptable, politically-correct bigotry.

How could you leave out the Muslims?

I think there's a difference between making fun of irrational stupidity of all forms and "bashing".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All religions were originally very sexist. I would hope there are more progressive Mormon churches around these days.

- hijab
- no female priests (Catholicism)
- "unclean" women (thus the separate seating during services)
to name a few

If you are referring to separate seating during jewish services, it is not due to "unclean" women. It is simply not to distract men from prayer. Says more about the weakness of men than anything related to the women.

Ohh - then my conservative pal needs a refresher course in Judaism, I suppose.

Then what about the "veils" used during sex? truth?

Orthodox jews, even Chasidic jews, do not use veils or sheets as a barrier during sex. Its actually not really permitted as there should be no barrier between husband and wife during sex. With the exception of a prohibition against "spilling his seed", there are very few rules about what husbands and wives can do sexually.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are we done with the Catholics?

That's funny, and was my thought exactly when I saw this thread title!