Mormonism and women

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All religions were originally very sexist. I would hope there are more progressive Mormon churches around these days.

- hijab
- no female priests (Catholicism)
- "unclean" women (thus the separate seating during services)
to name a few

If you are referring to separate seating during jewish services, it is not due to "unclean" women. It is simply not to distract men from prayer. Says more about the weakness of men than anything related to the women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All religions were originally very sexist. I would hope there are more progressive Mormon churches around these days.

- hijab
- no female priests (Catholicism)
- "unclean" women (thus the separate seating during services)

to name a few

All religions have been written by men

By men, for the benefit of men under the guise of a God. No God would subject women to second class citizen; a man might do that though.

[Anonymous]

I had a friend who converted to be mormon during college. She got married right away, and no longer "believed" in birth control. I remember going to her house for her 2nd child's 1st birthday . . . all her morman friends were there and most had 3-4 children under the age of 5. I couldn't help but feel like this practice was a way to keep these women chained to their marriages and the church. Keep them pregnant and isolated.

[Anonymous]

I'm really curious about this topic. Can anyone explain what what the article (and commenters) mean by going to "temple", and the Endowment, and the Covenant? It sounds like specific ceremonies? And the veiling?

[Anonymous]

Its all part of the ceremonies at the Temple, which only Mormons participate in. Women first go to Temple right before they get married. Regular services are held at the local ward church. You might want to google if you are interested in learning more.

[Anonymous]

I'm no grammar or spelling police but the well educated women of DC could work a little harder to express their modern thoughts in a more credible way, no?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All religions were originally very sexist. I would hope there are more progressive Mormon churches around these days.

- hijab
- no female priests (Catholicism)
- "unclean" women (thus the separate seating during services)
to name a few

If you are referring to separate seating during jewish services, it is not due to "unclean" women. It is simply not to distract men from prayer. Says more about the weakness of men than anything related to the women.

Ohh - then my conservative pal needs a refresher course in Judaism, I suppose.

Then what about the "veils" used during sex? truth?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I read an article that marriage was a huge goal for Mormon women, and those that didn't get married typically felt inadequate, etc. Which I totally thought was awful - but again, it's not my religion or culture so it's not for me to have to embrace.

Um yeah, the goal is to get married because they can't get into heaven without a husband's permission. Sounds like you didn't learn that much from your friend.

No jackass, I did learn that from my friend. And I was saying that although I don't agree with that premise, I don't have to since it's not my religion and I don't practice it. See how that works?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had a friend who converted to be mormon during college. She got married right away, and no longer "believed" in birth control. I remember going to her house for her 2nd child's 1st birthday . . . all her morman friends were there and most had 3-4 children under the age of 5. I couldn't help but feel like this practice was a way to keep these women chained to their marriages and the church. Keep them pregnant and isolated.

They really seem to exalt motherhood, which I imagine can be tough for women/couples struggling with infertility, or who don't get married. And yes, birth control has really allowed women to control when and how many babies they have...and some say the pill was the biggest milestone in feminism because letting women have this control enabled them to get educated, have careers, etc. And so Mormonism doesn't seem to jive with some of that...which I have a problem with but like I said earlier, it's not my religion so if others believe this, so be it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All religions were originally very sexist. I would hope there are more progressive Mormon churches around these days.

- hijab
- no female priests (Catholicism)
- "unclean" women (thus the separate seating during services)
to name a few

If you are referring to separate seating during jewish services, it is not due to "unclean" women. It is simply not to distract men from prayer. Says more about the weakness of men than anything related to the women.

Ohh - then my conservative pal needs a refresher course in Judaism, I suppose.

Then what about the "veils" used during sex? truth?

Not the PP, but can you elaborate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All religions were originally very sexist. I would hope there are more progressive Mormon churches around these days.

- hijab
- no female priests (Catholicism)
- "unclean" women (thus the separate seating during services)
to name a few

If you are referring to separate seating during jewish services, it is not due to "unclean" women. It is simply not to distract men from prayer. Says more about the weakness of men than anything related to the women.

Ohh - then my conservative pal needs a refresher course in Judaism, I suppose.

Then what about the "veils" used during sex? truth?

Not the PP, but can you elaborate?

I was told that either Orthodox or Hasidic women (can't remember) wore some sort of covering over their body during sex - with . . . um . . . holes cut out in the right places.

Maybe this is how rumors start? But I swear this is what I was told.

[Anonymous]

Bashing Catholics and Mormons... the last, acceptable, politically-correct bigotry.

[Anonymous]

FWIW mormon's do use birth control. And to the PP who said she went to friend's second kid's 1st bday party and all her mormon friends were there with her kids and then in the next line said mormons have all those kids to isolate the women...that doesn't make sense. either she was isolated and had no friends (including you) or she was not isolated and had friends over (including you.) Which is it? Was she isolated and friendless or did she have friends over? Sounds like she had friends who shared similar beliefs and commonalities. Just because they aren't your beliefs and you don't share a religion in common, doesn't mean she was isolated or demeaned in any way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FWIW mormon's do use birth control. And to the PP who said she went to friend's second kid's 1st bday party and all her mormon friends were there with her kids and then in the next line said mormons have all those kids to isolate the women...that doesn't make sense. either she was isolated and had no friends (including you) or she was not isolated and had friends over (including you.) Which is it? Was she isolated and friendless or did she have friends over? Sounds like she had friends who shared similar beliefs and commonalities. Just because they aren't your beliefs and you don't share a religion in common, doesn't mean she was isolated or demeaned in any way.

Not the PP, but I took that comment to mean isolated from other larger societal issues and opportunities beyond playdates and birthday parties, and other kid-centered activities. And fine if a woman wants that/chooses that, but some of us outside the religion or culture might find it odd if she's doing it because her husband is "in charge" or because her religion wants it that way.

[Anonymous]

This is an interesting perspective from a Mormon woman who believes that Mormonism is fine with women having kids and careers:

http://www.mormonperspectives.com/2011/06/23/mormon-women-and-careers/

But who knows...I'd have to speak with more Mormon women to find out if they are encouraged to stay home with kids. An interesting perspective though.