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Confused about turkey - what about fresh sliced turkey from the deli (not packaged)
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I asked my Dr. this same question. He said it is safe if it is fresh carved off the bird(like a whole turkey carved.) Or if you go for the vaccum sealed packages. He said to stay away from what they cut at the counter b/c it can easily be contaminated if left out and unsealed.
That being said, he did say the listiria issue is a bit overplayed but to just be mindful of your source. If you slip up one day and have a turkey blt not fresh carved don't go crazy...just don't make a habit of it. HTH! |
Anonymous
While I thought this thread would have been a perfect example of it is funny I'm happy to explain. The person quoting the book is usually in a panic over some minuscule point...see thread on the women who ordered swordfish or the soon to be mom freaking out about sleeping on her back. It's akin to helicopter parenting even before the child is born. All common sense is thrown out the window. There is nothing wrong with being aware of potential hazard but sometimes it can be just too much. |
Anonymous
| read the book "eating animals" by jonathan safran foer, and you want to eat turkey during your pregnancy, or ever again. |
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i meant "won't want"...
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Pregnant women become ill from listeria much more often than the general population, so that also represents an increase in risk.
I avoided cold cuts and soft serve. Ate everything else. |
Anonymous
Haven't read the book but saw Food Inc. I follow a vegetarian diet about 90% of the time. Whole Foods is better than typical grocery store meat, and I only get humanely treated/vegetarian fed etc. meat from there or similar. Not that big of a deal, everything in moderation. Except pork. I don't eat pork at all. And eat red meat maybe once a year. |
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Then you should be glad books like that exist to calm the hysteria and put real data behind the myths. And the woman shouldn't have eaten swordfish (no one should, it is full of mercury, yuck, write your Congressperson and tell him or her to do something about the state of our oceans). I really wish people would freak out more sometimes. Some things are completely unfounded. Other things, I'm shocked people aren't more outraged. |
Anonymous
This isn't a post about how gross the meAt industry is, who needs to read a book when all you have to do is walk into the meat section of the market or, god forbid, Costco, to get a very basic idea of how disgusting it must be. Im no vegetarian but having grown up driving to the beach behind the trucks carrying the chickens to the Perdue and Mount Airey chicken factories was enough to end my desire for almost all chicken. |
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if you read the book you will find out that it is almost impossible that the animals you are eating were humanely treated -- the author could barely find a single farm or slaughterhouse in the entire country where the animals weren't treated horribly. a lot of the "natural, "organic", "free range", "cage free", and "humanely treated" designations are meaningless and don't translate into better treatment of the animals or healthier food. we all end up paying more to make ourselves feel better about eating animals that are treated just as badly as the ones at the regular grocery store. i had no idea this was the case until i read this book.
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meat makes a lot of people sick:
http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_18270843?nclick_check=1 "These statistics tell the tale of an industry that is rampantly misusing antibiotics in an attempt to cover up filthy, unsanitary living conditions among animals," Slaughter said. "As they feed antibiotics to animals to keep them healthy, they are making our families sicker by spreading these deadly strains of bacteria." |
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original link to new york times article from the other day on food borne illness.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/12/opinion/12kristof.html |
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| i also just read the book "Eating Animals". holy crap, i had no idea all the chemicals and bad bad stuff that is in the animals we eat, or how badly animals are treated before we eat them. turkey was one of the worst. i mean i "knew", but i didn't know. haven't touched meat since reading that book, and i LOVED meat. but now just the thought of it turns my stomach. it's a powerful book. |
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I'm not trying to be combative but as a nutritionist and someone who is very dedicated to playing whatever role I can in improving the eating habits of people in this country, I really take issue with this attitude. Saying that basically all meat etc. is the same just causes people to throw up their hands and say, well, I'll just eat at McDonald's then. While it is true that just because it is labeled a certain way and sold at Whole Foods doesn't mean you can trust it entirely, it does a real disservice to the farmers who are playing by the rules and doing it right. If you are worried about food safety, then your real concern should be vegetables. They are the source of most issues in this country, a direct and perverse result of large factory cattle farming and the run off of that, causing man-made e.coli to infect vegetables. There are some folks doing their part to make this better and they deserve more than to be painted over with the same broad brush as the five biggest factories producing most of the meat and causing the most harm. My family has a farm out in VA and while they don't sell the food, I won't eat eggs from anyone but their chickens (since I know exactly how they are fed and treated) and we get most of our produce from them in season. There are folks nearby to them who do sell at local farmer's markets who ARE trying to make a difference. I haven't read the book you are referring to but if it's just a big doom and gloom book I'm not interested, and that is why I recommend Food Inc. It has a lot of very positive take aways and resources for people. There are plenty of vegetarians I know who think they are so healthy because they eat mac and cheese from a box and Domino's cheese pizza. It takes more than being meat free to be healthy. I do agree that a plant-based diet is best and that is largely what my family eats. I mentioned the red meat once a year because my husband does like to make his special chili one night of the year and not eat the vegetarian stuff we usually make! And same with his love for doing crazy chicken marinades every couple of weeks. There are ways to make better, smarter choices. I'm certainly not advocating everyone eat meat but am advocating for people to educate themselves and because it is expensive, do our best to support local food and know where our food comes from. It is very depressing to me that whenever there is an outbreak it takes our government and other governments week to track it because we have such a messed up food system. |
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| Re eating turkey, ham, etc. I am on my second pregnancy and have moved away from DC. First child born in DC. People here have never even heard of the notion that you shouldn't eat deli meat while pregnant. I just asked my OB and she said they don't put that restriction on their patients and asked my good friend who said her OB has never told her about the deli meat, either. (Superior DC people, please stop yourselves before you tell me that my docs must be idiot hicks just because they don't live in DC). My point is that I think the no deli meat is a hyper, hyper cautious rule and certainly not a universal pregnancy no-no. It is one thing that I do not worry about while pg. |
Anonymous
I feel the same way about the soft serve ice cream rule. I'm not into deli meat and was super cautious with my first pregnancy about everything (this one too, though a little more relaxed having been through it once) and I didn't find out about the soft serve ice cream/yogurt listeria concern until I was in my third trimester. I looked into it but mainly found sources from Australia, I couldn't find many US sources that advised it. I'm not saying it's not advised but I certainly don't think it's on every obgyn's radar (nor should it be). |