first lady and "dr." jill biden

[Anonymous]

Ok, a couple of things:

A PhD an EdD OR a JD (which, sorry attorneys, is a Professional Degree) does not confer anyone the title of "Dr" IMO but many people seem to think it does. This is not Mrs. Biden's problem or fault.

DH has a PhD and runs into this at his non academic job all the time. He finds it embarrassing. There is NOTHING wrong with educating community college students, though.

In other words, what 9:16 said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jill Biden does not have a PhD, she has an EdD.

I am enough of an intellectual snob to care about the difference, in the sense that I think it takes more intellectual firepower to get a PhD. On the other hand, I don't think what degree you have is indicative of your worth as a human being, just a reflection of your professional trajectory.

This. I don't mind if PhDs are called 'Dr', but the EdD is just not as rigorous. Not by a stretch.

[Anonymous]

hmmm. I have a j.d. (and a ll.m., for whatever that is worth), and I can tell you with 100% certainty that a ph.d. is much harder to get. Biden may have something different from a ph.d., so not clear on her degree specifically.

But ph.ds are more educated than jds.

As for Mrs. Obama, how is race an issue? Who cares? If anything, I'd guess her race helped her get into the ivy league (not taking away, just that typically that is the case).

[Anonymous]

People with doctorates in education often use the title "doctor". It is commonly used for PhDs in the sciences, less frequently for those in the humanities.

Never for lawyers -- the JD in the US is considered roughly equivalent to a master's, while in other countries it may be a first degree.

[Anonymous]

Is an LLM a master of llamas?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is an LLM a master of llamas?

Yes

[Anonymous]

OP, you are a pathetic excuse for a human being.

[Anonymous]

The LLM is a master's degree in law; it falls between the first degree, the JD or LLB, and the SJD. It's the SJD, the research doctorate, that's the equivalent to the PhD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jill Biden does not have a PhD, she has an EdD.

I am enough of an intellectual snob to care about the difference, in the sense that I think it takes more intellectual firepower to get a PhD. On the other hand, I don't think what degree you have is indicative of your worth as a human being, just a reflection of your professional trajectory.

I have no kind of D at all.

This....but, having addressed enough formal corrispondance in my day, EdD's get Dr. - it's what's done.

Get over it - focus your issues somewhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:hmmm. I have a j.d. (and a ll.m., for whatever that is worth), and I can tell you with 100% certainty that a ph.d. is much harder to get. Biden may have something different from a ph.d., so not clear on her degree specifically.

But ph.ds are more educated than jds.

As for Mrs. Obama, how is race an issue? Who cares? If anything, I'd guess her race helped her get into the ivy league (not taking away, just that typically that is the case).

Hmmm, I can't seem to decide which of these statements highlight your insecurities more?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jill Biden does not have a PhD, she has an EdD.

I am enough of an intellectual snob to care about the difference, in the sense that I think it takes more intellectual firepower to get a PhD. On the other hand, I don't think what degree you have is indicative of your worth as a human being, just a reflection of your professional trajectory.

This. I don't mind if PhDs are called 'Dr', but the EdD is just not as rigorous. Not by a stretch.

I think one of the main distinctions is that many EdD degrees don't require original research for dissertations. I've heard many academics criticize the EdD degree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:JDs are not addressed as Dr., but PhDs are. Get over it.

In fact, JD's are happy to make tons more money than PhD's. They don't need the title. OTOH my DH has PhD and he hardly ever gets called Doctor. Certainly none of our friends kids call him that. He couldn't care less. It is annoying, though, that we all feel obligated to call an MD or DDS, Doctor. Come to think of it, an MD or DDS makes tons more money than most PhDs. They want the title AND the money! Sheesh!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:JDs are not addressed as Dr., but PhDs are. Get over it.

In fact, JD's are happy to make tons more money than PhD's. They don't need the title. OTOH my DH has PhD and he hardly ever gets called Doctor. Certainly none of our friends kids call him that. He couldn't care less. It is annoying, though, that we all feel obligated to call an MD or DDS, Doctor. Come to think of it, an MD or DDS makes tons more money than most PhDs. They want the title AND the money! Sheesh!

The original post was not about how much money they make. I am sure both Mrs. Obama and Dr.Biden make enough. It's not about money, it's about OP trying to pull the race card with no particular reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:hmmm. I have a j.d. (and a ll.m., for whatever that is worth), and I can tell you with 100% certainty that a ph.d. is much harder to get. Biden may have something different from a ph.d., so not clear on her degree specifically.

But ph.ds are more educated than jds.

As for Mrs. Obama, how is race an issue? Who cares? If anything, I'd guess her race helped her get into the ivy league (not taking away, just that typically that is the case).

Hmmm, I can't seem to decide which of these statements highlight your insecurities more?

ummm, the ll.m. was a joke degree (hence the "for whatever that is worth" comment). And as for the affirmative action comment, hardly a news flash that some races get preferential admission treatment. I normally agree with such preferences for a variety of reasons, although some (namely, asians) get the short end of the stick. Please point out the insecurities in either statement.

[Anonymous]

Definitely agree that in the field of education, professionals with doctorates are generally addressed as Dr. So-and-So. I'm now in education but my Ph.D. is in a social science, and it was a bit off-putting to me at first. In my original field, it's considered snobbery to call yourself Dr. Your ideas are supposed to speak for you. (Or something like that.)

Education is a much more diverse field, however, and the practice of calling everybody "Dr." means that my Black and Latina colleagues are not so likely to be mistaken for the secretary. Which I imagine can get quite old after it's happened more than once.