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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There is no vote here.  This is nothing new.

LDS have never been Christian. That is simply a fact.

Christians accept only 2 Holy Testaments and believe Jesus will come again someday, but that day has not arrived yet.

LDS believe there are 3 testaments and that Jesus has already returned.  LDS and Christian beliefs are not compatible.

Anyone with a modicum of learning already knew these facts.[/quote]

Perhaps more importantly, LDS doesn’t believe in the Trinity, the most central Christian belief. Mike Lee just wants in because he believes in Jesus - so do Muslims. doesn’t make them Christian. [/quote]

I didn't know all this stuff about LDS. Don't they themselves identify as Christians?

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PP is an ignorant troll.

Instead of one God existing in three persons, Mormons believe in a Godhead consisting of three separate and distinct beings: God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.
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First, the Catholic church does not recognize LDS baptisms as valid because while they do say "in the name of the Father son and Holy Ghost" it does not have the same meaning. They recognize all other Christian denominations. If you want to convert from LDS, you have to be baptized again.

Let's not stop there: How about the LDS website where they LITERALLY SAY they do not believe in the Trinity, but rather in the idea of the three parts of the Trinity. The Trinity is a core belief of Christianity, and thus, claiming to be Christian is a stretch. I'd call them Christian adjacent but what do I know, I'm an ignorant troll.

"Like many Christians, we believe in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. However, we don’t believe in the traditional concept of the Trinity. We believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings who are one in purpose." - https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/article/do-latter-day-saints-believe-in-the-trinity

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The Catholic Church is not the arbiter of Christianity.

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Ok - but what about what the LDS leaders say about themselves? They say they don't believe in the Trinity. They believe in a Godhead of separate beings.

Whether you care about the Catholic take or not, there is no disputing that they have been good stewards of documenting religious debate for centuries. The Catholic Church has wrestled and documented much about the Trinity, which they codified with the council of Nicea in 325, at which point the Catholic Church was the Christian Church. The reformation came out of Catholicism and the Trinity wasn't on the table. Christians believe that the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit are one and the same. They have different roles, are three persons, but represent the oneness of God.

I suppose you can say, well, the Reformation came out of the Catholic Church just like the Mormon Church came out of the reformation. In my view, the Mormon church is a NEW religion that builds on an old one (complete with new scriptures and revelations), while reformers built on an existing faith and, well, reformed it to their liking.

At the end of the day you can say you are Christian all you want, but if you don't believe in the Trinity, which is core to Christian faith, don't be upset when people disagree with you. Mike Lee thought he had friends who understood him, but instead found out that they were just using him for his voting block. Sad for Mike. [/quote]

I'm Catholic and I feel you're splitting hairs. Mormons believe in a trinity, they say so, only in words that are not entirely the same as yours. So what? There are still three entities. Mormons are far closer to the Catholics and Protestants than Jews or Muslims, who also believe in the same God.

Come on. Let's not be ridiculous.
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Fortunately, religion is losing its stranglehold on cultures around the world with each passing generation as people are finding the contradictory truths behind religions are impossible to ignore. We'll hopefully be done with it within a century or two.[/quote]

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