DOJ sued Harvard for defying admissions probe - Will this create a chilling effect on this year's RD?

[Anonymous]

Well, the Asian population has jumped significantly as has the SAT median so that should make the government happy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DOJ is getting nowhere with this, especially in a MA federal court.

Harvard could have settled this for less than Columbia at $300M, but Harvard keeps pressuring the Trump administration through the New York Times, which results in higher and higher offers. They were at $500M when Harvard claimed that Bondi/Trump were walking away from the negotiations. That wasn't true and Trump upped the settlement to $1B. It's not going well for Harvard. It could have settled this and moved on, like other universities long ago, but Garber keeps making arrogant mistakes.

MA federal court means nothing. The two wins Harvard has will be affirmed by the First Circuit and reversed by the Supreme Court. Exactly the same thing happened with the Harvard admissions case (same judge, too, who should have recused herself).

In the Harvard Magazine the alums are divided on this in the letters. Many think Harvard has shown too much hubris. Just turn over the records. Of course, they don't want to because they will demonstrate discrimination in hiring and admissions - Just like Bondi found at UVA Medical School. These schools thought they could circumvent the Supreme Court by being clever, but it's not working out well for them. So long as they continue to defy the Supreme Court and discriminate, I have no patience for them.

You must be in different alumni groups than I am.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, the Asian population has jumped significantly as has the SAT median so that should make the government happy.

Fall 2024 freshmen, SAT verbal 740-780, math 770-800, 54% submitting SAT
Fall 2023 freshmen, SAT verbal 740-780, math 760-800, 52% submitting SAT
Fall 2022 freshmen, SAT verbal 740-780, math 760-800, 55% submitting SAT
Fall 2021 freshmen, SAT verbal 730-780, math 750-800, 54% submitting SAT
Fall 2020 freshmen, SAT verbal 720-780, math 740-800, 72% submitting SAT
Fall 2019 freshmen, SAT verbal 710-770, math 750-800, 71% submitting SAT

This is the effect of test optional. We need to wait to see the 2025-26 CDS, which probably won't be posted by Harvard until some time this summer, May at the earliest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OMG who cares. The DOJ was supposed to produce Epstein files. Surely they realize how burdensome it is to produce documents when you don't want to.

They released them last night...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DOJ is getting nowhere with this, especially in a MA federal court.

Harvard could have settled this for less than Columbia at $300M, but Harvard keeps pressuring the Trump administration through the New York Times, which results in higher and higher offers. They were at $500M when Harvard claimed that Bondi/Trump were walking away from the negotiations. That wasn't true and Trump upped the settlement to $1B. It's not going well for Harvard. It could have settled this and moved on, like other universities long ago, but Garber keeps making arrogant mistakes.

MA federal court means nothing. The two wins Harvard has will be affirmed by the First Circuit and reversed by the Supreme Court. Exactly the same thing happened with the Harvard admissions case (same judge, too, who should have recused herself).

In the Harvard Magazine the alums are divided on this in the letters. Many think Harvard has shown too much hubris. Just turn over the records. Of course, they don't want to because they will demonstrate discrimination in hiring and admissions - Just like Bondi found at UVA Medical School. These schools thought they could circumvent the Supreme Court by being clever, but it's not working out well for them. So long as they continue to defy the Supreme Court and discriminate, I have no patience for them.

Bondi found nothing….absolute idiot. Crawl back under your rock.

If she (it’s actually Dhillon if you knew what you were talking about) had “found nothing” then why are the negotiations going into its second year? DOJ would have walked away. DOJ asked for the records in April 2025. Harvard hasn’t complied because OF COURSE the admissions records are going to show discrimination post the SCOTUS decision, so Harvard has been posturing and doing whatever it can to fan the flames in The NY Times against Trump. Very foolish with this administration (and no I’m not a Trumper - just a Harvard grad who knows education well). Step back and look at the situation. Harvard could have solved its discrimination problems a year ago at $25O million like the other three schools did. Instead, it’s balked and it’s not going well. Now the settlement figure is at $1b. How is that good management of the issue?

Responding to the Bondi UVA comment, not Harvard. Dhillon is as much of a tool as Bondi and they have basically nothing as well which is why Harvard isn’t playing ball. The schools who caved are embarrassing. There will be zero settlement in the next few years and in 28 the govt will apologize and drop everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DOJ is getting nowhere with this, especially in a MA federal court.

Harvard could have settled this for less than Columbia at $300M, but Harvard keeps pressuring the Trump administration through the New York Times, which results in higher and higher offers. They were at $500M when Harvard claimed that Bondi/Trump were walking away from the negotiations. That wasn't true and Trump upped the settlement to $1B. It's not going well for Harvard. It could have settled this and moved on, like other universities long ago, but Garber keeps making arrogant mistakes.

MA federal court means nothing. The two wins Harvard has will be affirmed by the First Circuit and reversed by the Supreme Court. Exactly the same thing happened with the Harvard admissions case (same judge, too, who should have recused herself).

In the Harvard Magazine the alums are divided on this in the letters. Many think Harvard has shown too much hubris. Just turn over the records. Of course, they don't want to because they will demonstrate discrimination in hiring and admissions - Just like Bondi found at UVA Medical School. These schools thought they could circumvent the Supreme Court by being clever, but it's not working out well for them. So long as they continue to defy the Supreme Court and discriminate, I have no patience for them.

These were allegations not findings. This administrations is alleging all sorts of things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DOJ is getting nowhere with this, especially in a MA federal court.

Harvard could have settled this for less than Columbia at $300M, but Harvard keeps pressuring the Trump administration through the New York Times, which results in higher and higher offers. They were at $500M when Harvard claimed that Bondi/Trump were walking away from the negotiations. That wasn't true and Trump upped the settlement to $1B. It's not going well for Harvard. It could have settled this and moved on, like other universities long ago, but Garber keeps making arrogant mistakes.

MA federal court means nothing. The two wins Harvard has will be affirmed by the First Circuit and reversed by the Supreme Court. Exactly the same thing happened with the Harvard admissions case (same judge, too, who should have recused herself).

In the Harvard Magazine the alums are divided on this in the letters. Many think Harvard has shown too much hubris. Just turn over the records. Of course, they don't want to because they will demonstrate discrimination in hiring and admissions - Just like Bondi found at UVA Medical School. These schools thought they could circumvent the Supreme Court by being clever, but it's not working out well for them. So long as they continue to defy the Supreme Court and discriminate, I have no patience for them.

Bondi found nothing….absolute idiot. Crawl back under your rock.

If she (it’s actually Dhillon if you knew what you were talking about) had “found nothing” then why are the negotiations going into its second year? DOJ would have walked away. DOJ asked for the records in April 2025. Harvard hasn’t complied because OF COURSE the admissions records are going to show discrimination post the SCOTUS decision, so Harvard has been posturing and doing whatever it can to fan the flames in The NY Times against Trump. Very foolish with this administration (and no I’m not a Trumper - just a Harvard grad who knows education well). Step back and look at the situation. Harvard could have solved its discrimination problems a year ago at $25O million like the other three schools did. Instead, it’s balked and it’s not going well. Now the settlement figure is at $1b. How is that good management of the issue?

I'm not saying it's not there (I personally believe these schools are being as cooperative with dismantling affirmative action as the southern colleges were with dismantling segregation), but there hasn't been a finding of discrimination. We are investigating because we suspect, we do not know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What do they want the Black and Hispanic population to be?

Presumably they expected it to be about where Harvard itself said it would be if they got rid of affirmative action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DOJ is getting nowhere with this, especially in a MA federal court.

Harvard could have settled this for less than Columbia at $300M, but Harvard keeps pressuring the Trump administration through the New York Times, which results in higher and higher offers. They were at $500M when Harvard claimed that Bondi/Trump were walking away from the negotiations. That wasn't true and Trump upped the settlement to $1B. It's not going well for Harvard. It could have settled this and moved on, like other universities long ago, but Garber keeps making arrogant mistakes.

MA federal court means nothing. The two wins Harvard has will be affirmed by the First Circuit and reversed by the Supreme Court. Exactly the same thing happened with the Harvard admissions case (same judge, too, who should have recused herself).

In the Harvard Magazine the alums are divided on this in the letters. Many think Harvard has shown too much hubris. Just turn over the records. Of course, they don't want to because they will demonstrate discrimination in hiring and admissions - Just like Bondi found at UVA Medical School. These schools thought they could circumvent the Supreme Court by being clever, but it's not working out well for them. So long as they continue to defy the Supreme Court and discriminate, I have no patience for them.

Bondi found nothing….absolute idiot. Crawl back under your rock.

Imagine being MAGA like that idiot. How do you live with yourself?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DOJ is getting nowhere with this, especially in a MA federal court.

Harvard could have settled this for less than Columbia at $300M, but Harvard keeps pressuring the Trump administration through the New York Times, which results in higher and higher offers. They were at $500M when Harvard claimed that Bondi/Trump were walking away from the negotiations. That wasn't true and Trump upped the settlement to $1B. It's not going well for Harvard. It could have settled this and moved on, like other universities long ago, but Garber keeps making arrogant mistakes.

MA federal court means nothing. The two wins Harvard has will be affirmed by the First Circuit and reversed by the Supreme Court. Exactly the same thing happened with the Harvard admissions case (same judge, too, who should have recused herself).

In the Harvard Magazine the alums are divided on this in the letters. Many think Harvard has shown too much hubris. Just turn over the records. Of course, they don't want to because they will demonstrate discrimination in hiring and admissions - Just like Bondi found at UVA Medical School. These schools thought they could circumvent the Supreme Court by being clever, but it's not working out well for them. So long as they continue to defy the Supreme Court and discriminate, I have no patience for them.

You must be in different alumni groups than I am.

Well of course he is. I'm guessing HPC and Federalist Society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too much politics should be on the other forums

Trump has politicized college admissions.

So here we are.

No. Colleges admissions have been politicized for decades, adopting all kinds of favoritism and racist policies. Trump is the one who’s trying to clean up this cesspool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too much politics should be on the other forums

Trump has politicized college admissions.

So here we are.

No. Colleges admissions have been politicized for decades, adopting all kinds of favoritism and racist policies. Trump is the one who’s trying to clean up this cesspool.[/quote

Maga has no interest in Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too much politics should be on the other forums

Trump has politicized college admissions.

So here we are.

No. Colleges admissions have been politicized for decades, adopting all kinds of favoritism and racist policies. Trump is the one who’s trying to clean up this cesspool.

Maga has no interest in Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too much politics should be on the other forums

Trump has politicized college admissions.

So here we are.

Don’t be delusional, the have been political for decades. The needle just keeps swinging in different directions.

No MAGA voters I know give a cr#* about Harvard University. This administration is set on destruction of evilness in Higher ed but not because of the maga voters.

There are posters on here with a bee in their bonnet about Harvard but out here, MAGA does not discuss, consider or take any interest in Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too much politics should be on the other forums

Trump has politicized college admissions.

So here we are.

No. Colleges admissions have been politicized for decades, adopting all kinds of favoritism and racist policies. Trump is the one who’s trying to clean up this cesspool.

Maga has no interest in Harvard.

Who cares and why does it matter to the conversation? You don’t sound very bright.