Mark Carney's Davos Speech

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What an important speech for countries of the world being bullied by the US. Here is an excerpt:

"In 1978, the Czech dissident Václav Havel, later president, wrote an essay called “The Power of the Powerless,” and in it he asked a simple question: how did the communist system sustain itself?

And his answer began with a greengrocer.

Every morning, the shopkeeper places a sign in his window: “Workers of the world unite.” He doesn’t believe in it. No one does. But he places the sign anyway to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along. And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists — not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately know to be false.

Havel called this living within a lie. The system’s power comes not from its truth, but from everyone’s willingness to perform as if it were true. And its fragility comes from the same source. When even one person stops performing, when the greengrocer removes his sign, the illusion begins to crack.

Friends, it is time for companies and countries to take their signs down."

Thank you for posting bc I had not seen the full speech. Trump is crazy and terrible. But this speech is just awful. Workers of the world should unite. Thats a great slogan and what we should do. It’s not performative. The backlash from the elite and establishment to that slogan is why we are in the mess of the world we are now.

The point of the speech was not to say workers shouldn’t unite but rather than people need to rise up and stop participating in rituals that help prop up a failing system with obvious flaws (ex: like communism in the Soviet era).

Basically he’s saying to point out the emperor has no clothes and to take action as countries who acknowledge reality.

Read it again-it was an excellent speech and Canadians should be proud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The French gave Trump Intel in confIdence because they suspected he was leaking to Putin. So they set up a sting. He gave it to Putin. He did.
The Rosenberg's were hung for doing this.

do you have a link?

Yes, that would be great as I saw this posted on social media but have not seen in the national news. If true, why is this not getting attention!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What an important speech for countries of the world being bullied by the US. Here is an excerpt:

"In 1978, the Czech dissident Václav Havel, later president, wrote an essay called “The Power of the Powerless,” and in it he asked a simple question: how did the communist system sustain itself?

And his answer began with a greengrocer.

Every morning, the shopkeeper places a sign in his window: “Workers of the world unite.” He doesn’t believe in it. No one does. But he places the sign anyway to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along. And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists — not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately know to be false.

Havel called this living within a lie. The system’s power comes not from its truth, but from everyone’s willingness to perform as if it were true. And its fragility comes from the same source. When even one person stops performing, when the greengrocer removes his sign, the illusion begins to crack.

Friends, it is time for companies and countries to take their signs down."

Thank you for posting bc I had not seen the full speech. Trump is crazy and terrible. But this speech is just awful. Workers of the world should unite. Thats a great slogan and what we should do. It’s not performative. The backlash from the elite and establishment to that slogan is why we are in the mess of the world we are now.

The point of the speech was not to say workers shouldn’t unite but rather than people need to rise up and stop participating in rituals that help prop up a failing system with obvious flaws (ex: like communism in the Soviet era).

Basically he’s saying to point out the emperor has no clothes and to take action as countries who acknowledge reality.

Read it again-it was an excellent speech and Canadians should be proud.

Listening to that speech and trumps toddler tantrums back to back really drives home how ridiculously unserious we are as a country.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The lead story in today's Globe and Mail was about how Canada would respond to an American military invasion. Basically, it would be an Afghan style insurgency.

A year ago, the US and Canada were close allies, peaceful, big trading partners, culturally close and so on. And now after one year of Republican rule, the relationship is in tatters. The air is filled with talk of war, boycotts, tariffs, and the need for new alliances.

It is shocking how much destruction Republicans have inflicted in such a short time. Everything has changed. The western world now sees the US as an enemy to be feared - like Russia. And there's no going back. The entire post-WW II security and trading system has been shattered. It's a very new world.

Canada would be better off as a territory at least Alberta would gladly come to the United States as Canada is a trash country right now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What an important speech for countries of the world being bullied by the US. Here is an excerpt:

"In 1978, the Czech dissident Václav Havel, later president, wrote an essay called “The Power of the Powerless,” and in it he asked a simple question: how did the communist system sustain itself?

And his answer began with a greengrocer.

Every morning, the shopkeeper places a sign in his window: “Workers of the world unite.” He doesn’t believe in it. No one does. But he places the sign anyway to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along. And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists — not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately know to be false.

Havel called this living within a lie. The system’s power comes not from its truth, but from everyone’s willingness to perform as if it were true. And its fragility comes from the same source. When even one person stops performing, when the greengrocer removes his sign, the illusion begins to crack.

Friends, it is time for companies and countries to take their signs down."

What an idiot capitalist banker.

He accidentally said that tyranny triumphed because the workers of the world didn't believe enough in their own power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What an important speech for countries of the world being bullied by the US. Here is an excerpt:

"In 1978, the Czech dissident Václav Havel, later president, wrote an essay called “The Power of the Powerless,” and in it he asked a simple question: how did the communist system sustain itself?

And his answer began with a greengrocer.

Every morning, the shopkeeper places a sign in his window: “Workers of the world unite.” He doesn’t believe in it. No one does. But he places the sign anyway to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along. And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists — not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately know to be false.

Havel called this living within a lie. The system’s power comes not from its truth, but from everyone’s willingness to perform as if it were true. And its fragility comes from the same source. When even one person stops performing, when the greengrocer removes his sign, the illusion begins to crack.

Friends, it is time for companies and countries to take their signs down."

Thank you for posting bc I had not seen the full speech. Trump is crazy and terrible. But this speech is just awful. Workers of the world should unite. Thats a great slogan and what we should do. It’s not performative. The backlash from the elite and establishment to that slogan is why we are in the mess of the world we are now.

The point of the speech was not to say workers shouldn’t unite but rather than people need to rise up and stop participating in rituals that help prop up a failing system with obvious flaws (ex: like communism in the Soviet era).

Basically he’s saying to point out the emperor has no clothes and to take action as countries who acknowledge reality.

Read it again-it was an excellent speech and Canadians should be proud.

That's not what he said. He didn't say to rise up. He said to take the signs down. His point was that the world should become as monstrous as Trump and stop pretending to be civilized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The lead story in today's Globe and Mail was about how Canada would respond to an American military invasion. Basically, it would be an Afghan style insurgency.

A year ago, the US and Canada were close allies, peaceful, big trading partners, culturally close and so on. And now after one year of Republican rule, the relationship is in tatters. The air is filled with talk of war, boycotts, tariffs, and the need for new alliances.

It is shocking how much destruction Republicans have inflicted in such a short time. Everything has changed. The western world now sees the US as an enemy to be feared - like Russia. And there's no going back. The entire post-WW II security and trading system has been shattered. It's a very new world.

Insurgency against what?
Local Canadian governors?
Trump's military doesn't fight block by block to control territory They directly attack the leaders to gain control.
I don't know who the brains of his operation are, but strategically they are the best military in American history.

Venezuela was the cheapest military victory ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lead story in today's Globe and Mail was about how Canada would respond to an American military invasion. Basically, it would be an Afghan style insurgency.

A year ago, the US and Canada were close allies, peaceful, big trading partners, culturally close and so on. And now after one year of Republican rule, the relationship is in tatters. The air is filled with talk of war, boycotts, tariffs, and the need for new alliances.

It is shocking how much destruction Republicans have inflicted in such a short time. Everything has changed. The western world now sees the US as an enemy to be feared - like Russia. And there's no going back. The entire post-WW II security and trading system has been shattered. It's a very new world.

Insurgency against what?
Local Canadian governors?
Trump's military doesn't fight block by block to control territory They directly attack the leaders to gain control.
I don't know who the brains of his operation are, but strategically they are the best military in American history.

Venezuela was the cheapest military victory ever.

Isn't Afghanistan under Taliban control?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And Carney has stopped the lie about renewable energy and is embracing fossil fuels for Canada.

Carney has absolutely embraced renewables.

https://natural-resources.canada.ca/energy-sources/powering-canada-s-future-clean-electricity-strategy

Approved a pipeline from Alberta, going against their netzero goals, and prompting one cabinet member to resign.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-alberta-energy-agreement-pipeline-9.6994715

It's called compromise, moron. Republicans are unfamiliar with the concept.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What an important speech for countries of the world being bullied by the US. Here is an excerpt:

"In 1978, the Czech dissident Václav Havel, later president, wrote an essay called “The Power of the Powerless,” and in it he asked a simple question: how did the communist system sustain itself?

And his answer began with a greengrocer.

Every morning, the shopkeeper places a sign in his window: “Workers of the world unite.” He doesn’t believe in it. No one does. But he places the sign anyway to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along. And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists — not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately know to be false.

Havel called this living within a lie. The system’s power comes not from its truth, but from everyone’s willingness to perform as if it were true. And its fragility comes from the same source. When even one person stops performing, when the greengrocer removes his sign, the illusion begins to crack.

Friends, it is time for companies and countries to take their signs down."

Thank you for posting bc I had not seen the full speech. Trump is crazy and terrible. But this speech is just awful. Workers of the world should unite. Thats a great slogan and what we should do. It’s not performative. The backlash from the elite and establishment to that slogan is why we are in the mess of the world we are now.

The point of the speech was not to say workers shouldn’t unite but rather than people need to rise up and stop participating in rituals that help prop up a failing system with obvious flaws (ex: like communism in the Soviet era).

Basically he’s saying to point out the emperor has no clothes and to take action as countries who acknowledge reality.

Read it again-it was an excellent speech and Canadians should be proud.

That's not what he said. He didn't say to rise up. He said to take the signs down. His point was that the world should become as monstrous as Trump and stop pretending to be civilized.

No he said Canada and other countries need to form alliances against the US. The US is now the same as Russia, North Korea, Israel, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What an important speech for countries of the world being bullied by the US. Here is an excerpt:

"In 1978, the Czech dissident Václav Havel, later president, wrote an essay called “The Power of the Powerless,” and in it he asked a simple question: how did the communist system sustain itself?

And his answer began with a greengrocer.

Every morning, the shopkeeper places a sign in his window: “Workers of the world unite.” He doesn’t believe in it. No one does. But he places the sign anyway to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along. And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists — not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately know to be false.

Havel called this living within a lie. The system’s power comes not from its truth, but from everyone’s willingness to perform as if it were true. And its fragility comes from the same source. When even one person stops performing, when the greengrocer removes his sign, the illusion begins to crack.

Friends, it is time for companies and countries to take their signs down."

What an idiot capitalist banker.

He accidentally said that tyranny triumphed because the workers of the world didn't believe enough in their own power.

Yes, I am the PP who also thought the speech was dreadful although you expressed it better than me. I agree with the fact that the world needs to speak out against Trump, I think it's terrible Carney relied on an anti-worker story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What an important speech for countries of the world being bullied by the US. Here is an excerpt:

"In 1978, the Czech dissident Václav Havel, later president, wrote an essay called “The Power of the Powerless,” and in it he asked a simple question: how did the communist system sustain itself?

And his answer began with a greengrocer.

Every morning, the shopkeeper places a sign in his window: “Workers of the world unite.” He doesn’t believe in it. No one does. But he places the sign anyway to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along. And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists — not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately know to be false.

Havel called this living within a lie. The system’s power comes not from its truth, but from everyone’s willingness to perform as if it were true. And its fragility comes from the same source. When even one person stops performing, when the greengrocer removes his sign, the illusion begins to crack.

Friends, it is time for companies and countries to take their signs down."

Thank you for posting bc I had not seen the full speech. Trump is crazy and terrible. But this speech is just awful. Workers of the world should unite. Thats a great slogan and what we should do. It’s not performative. The backlash from the elite and establishment to that slogan is why we are in the mess of the world we are now.

The point of the speech was not to say workers shouldn’t unite but rather than people need to rise up and stop participating in rituals that help prop up a failing system with obvious flaws (ex: like communism in the Soviet era).

Basically he’s saying to point out the emperor has no clothes and to take action as countries who acknowledge reality.

Read it again-it was an excellent speech and Canadians should be proud.

That's not what he said. He didn't say to rise up. He said to take the signs down. His point was that the world should become as monstrous as Trump and stop pretending to be civilized.

What? No, not at all.

He was saying that people are complicit out of fear or their perception that they need to in order to survive. This was a call to the people to NOT be complicit. Don't compromise your values and go with the flow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What an important speech for countries of the world being bullied by the US. Here is an excerpt:

"In 1978, the Czech dissident Václav Havel, later president, wrote an essay called “The Power of the Powerless,” and in it he asked a simple question: how did the communist system sustain itself?

And his answer began with a greengrocer.

Every morning, the shopkeeper places a sign in his window: “Workers of the world unite.” He doesn’t believe in it. No one does. But he places the sign anyway to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along. And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists — not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately know to be false.

Havel called this living within a lie. The system’s power comes not from its truth, but from everyone’s willingness to perform as if it were true. And its fragility comes from the same source. When even one person stops performing, when the greengrocer removes his sign, the illusion begins to crack.

Friends, it is time for companies and countries to take their signs down."

What an idiot capitalist banker.

He accidentally said that tyranny triumphed because the workers of the world didn't believe enough in their own power.

Yes, I am the PP who also thought the speech was dreadful although you expressed it better than me. I agree with the fact that the world needs to speak out against Trump, I think it's terrible Carney relied on an anti-worker story.

Your lack of grasp of world history is astounding, poster.

That wasn’t an anti worker story, not when Havel told it and not when Carney used it.

Get off your phone and go to the library.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What an important speech for countries of the world being bullied by the US. Here is an excerpt:

"In 1978, the Czech dissident Václav Havel, later president, wrote an essay called “The Power of the Powerless,” and in it he asked a simple question: how did the communist system sustain itself?

And his answer began with a greengrocer.

Every morning, the shopkeeper places a sign in his window: “Workers of the world unite.” He doesn’t believe in it. No one does. But he places the sign anyway to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along. And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists — not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately know to be false.

Havel called this living within a lie. The system’s power comes not from its truth, but from everyone’s willingness to perform as if it were true. And its fragility comes from the same source. When even one person stops performing, when the greengrocer removes his sign, the illusion begins to crack.

Friends, it is time for companies and countries to take their signs down."

What an idiot capitalist banker.

He accidentally said that tyranny triumphed because the workers of the world didn't believe enough in their own power.

Yes, I am the PP who also thought the speech was dreadful although you expressed it better than me. I agree with the fact that the world needs to speak out against Trump, I think it's terrible Carney relied on an anti-worker story.

It’s shocking and sad how ignorant you posters seem to be about Havel and his thinking and his place in history.

Educate yourselves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_the_Powerless