How to Support Students WRT information on ICE and rights?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Contact your school administration or legal services office if there is a law school there. I believe that rumor is false, and they do not have time to randomly go door to door on a college campus. They are looking for criminals, high-risk/violent individuals, warrants, and gang members, not the average college student in an off-campus apartment. Your child should comply as instructed, just as he would with any law enforcement officer if they happen to stop him and request identification. It's straightforward and basic when encountering ICE or a police officer.

They are disappearing people with no criminal record. They are detaining US citizens.

You do not have to speak to ICE or answer their questions. You can assert your right to remain silent and request a lawyer. You can decline their request to search you or your vehicle. ICE is not allowed into private spaces without a judicial warrant.

OP, here are resources from the Minnesota ACLU:

https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/what-if-im-stopped-police-or-ice/
https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/know-your-rights-college-students/

While technically correct, this generally terrible advice from a practical perspective.

If OP’s child is a citizen, s/he should politely answer ICE’s questions and carry/provide proof of citizenship if requested.

99% chance that will end the interaction safely and with no further action.

Most people don't carry proof of citizenship in the US though. It's not customary and we usually consider those important documents that we store away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Contact your school administration or legal services office if there is a law school there. I believe that rumor is false, and they do not have time to randomly go door to door on a college campus. They are looking for criminals, high-risk/violent individuals, warrants, and gang members, not the average college student in an off-campus apartment. Your child should comply as instructed, just as he would with any law enforcement officer if they happen to stop him and request identification. It's straightforward and basic when encountering ICE or a police officer.

They are disappearing people with no criminal record. They are detaining US citizens.

You do not have to speak to ICE or answer their questions. You can assert your right to remain silent and request a lawyer. You can decline their request to search you or your vehicle. ICE is not allowed into private spaces without a judicial warrant.

OP, here are resources from the Minnesota ACLU:

https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/what-if-im-stopped-police-or-ice/
https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/know-your-rights-college-students/

While technically correct, this generally terrible advice from a practical perspective.

If OP’s child is a citizen, s/he should politely answer ICE’s questions and carry/provide proof of citizenship if requested.

99% chance that will end the interaction safely and with no further action.

From a practical perspective, compromising our rights by collaborating with law enforcement beyond what’s required is what created the unaccountable secret police we are dealing with today.

We change this by understanding and demanding our rights.

1. You want to take a stand? Go for it. But if OP wants to keep their kid safe and out of detention? Follow my advice.

2. Separately, I think your argument is flimsy. I’d argue that failing to support the enforcement of laws is what created today’s situation—by excusing the Jan 6 rioters and Trump on the one hand, and by not enforcing our immigration laws on the other.

You do you. But I think your approach is neither safe at an individual level nor productive at the societal level.

+1. My teen isn’t there to challenge any situation. Politely, and minimally, respond to requests.

This is a many layered issue and he is not going to be caught up in it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Contact your school administration or legal services office if there is a law school there. I believe that rumor is false, and they do not have time to randomly go door to door on a college campus. They are looking for criminals, high-risk/violent individuals, warrants, and gang members, not the average college student in an off-campus apartment. Your child should comply as instructed, just as he would with any law enforcement officer if they happen to stop him and request identification. It's straightforward and basic when encountering ICE or a police officer.

They are disappearing people with no criminal record. They are detaining US citizens.

You do not have to speak to ICE or answer their questions. You can assert your right to remain silent and request a lawyer. You can decline their request to search you or your vehicle. ICE is not allowed into private spaces without a judicial warrant.

OP, here are resources from the Minnesota ACLU:

https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/what-if-im-stopped-police-or-ice/
https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/know-your-rights-college-students/

While technically correct, this generally terrible advice from a practical perspective.

If OP’s child is a citizen, s/he should politely answer ICE’s questions and carry/provide proof of citizenship if requested.

99% chance that will end the interaction safely and with no further action.

Most people don't carry proof of citizenship in the US though. It's not customary and we usually consider those important documents that we store away.

If you want to play it safe, carry passport card.
I don’t want to be detained or have my college kids detained. It sounds traumatic and terrifying, and dangerous.
As far as breaking door down, I would hope they just comply until ice goes away. I assume dorms are safer than off campus homes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Contact your school administration or legal services office if there is a law school there. I believe that rumor is false, and they do not have time to randomly go door to door on a college campus. They are looking for criminals, high-risk/violent individuals, warrants, and gang members, not the average college student in an off-campus apartment. Your child should comply as instructed, just as he would with any law enforcement officer if they happen to stop him and request identification. It's straightforward and basic when encountering ICE or a police officer.

They are disappearing people with no criminal record. They are detaining US citizens.

You do not have to speak to ICE or answer their questions. You can assert your right to remain silent and request a lawyer. You can decline their request to search you or your vehicle. ICE is not allowed into private spaces without a judicial warrant.

OP, here are resources from the Minnesota ACLU:

https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/what-if-im-stopped-police-or-ice/
https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/know-your-rights-college-students/

While technically correct, this generally terrible advice from a practical perspective.

If OP’s child is a citizen, s/he should politely answer ICE’s questions and carry/provide proof of citizenship if requested.

99% chance that will end the interaction safely and with no further action.

Most people don't carry proof of citizenship in the US though. It's not customary and we usually consider those important documents that we store away.

If you’re genuinely concerned, easy enough to take keep photos of docs on your phone. That, combined with polite and cooperative approach, is very likely to suffice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Contact your school administration or legal services office if there is a law school there. I believe that rumor is false, and they do not have time to randomly go door to door on a college campus. They are looking for criminals, high-risk/violent individuals, warrants, and gang members, not the average college student in an off-campus apartment. Your child should comply as instructed, just as he would with any law enforcement officer if they happen to stop him and request identification. It's straightforward and basic when encountering ICE or a police officer.

They are disappearing people with no criminal record. They are detaining US citizens.

You do not have to speak to ICE or answer their questions. You can assert your right to remain silent and request a lawyer. You can decline their request to search you or your vehicle. ICE is not allowed into private spaces without a judicial warrant.

OP, here are resources from the Minnesota ACLU:

https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/what-if-im-stopped-police-or-ice/
https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/know-your-rights-college-students/

While technically correct, this generally terrible advice from a practical perspective.

If OP’s child is a citizen, s/he should politely answer ICE’s questions and carry/provide proof of citizenship if requested.

99% chance that will end the interaction safely and with no further action.

Most people don't carry proof of citizenship in the US though. It's not customary and we usually consider those important documents that we store away.

If you’re genuinely concerned, easy enough to take keep photos of docs on your phone. That, combined with polite and cooperative approach, is very likely to suffice.

yet, the evidence from the recent events tells us a completely different story.

[Anonymous]

1. If ice approaches or holds at gunpoint or breaks in, hide the phone. I don’t know if I’ve is taking phones but they might. Keep phone hidden.
2. Don’t make eye contact, just hand ID. Do not escalate the situation. License is not enough. Best to have passport card and book in case they confiscate or destroy one of them.
3. If any damage done, mentally or physically, make record of this AFTER ice is gone. Upload this record to a confidential place and delete from phone. Do not share with anyone at all.
Maybe a true police officer? Someday, they can hopefully be able to press charges and be compensated for the damages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Contact your school administration or legal services office if there is a law school there. I believe that rumor is false, and they do not have time to randomly go door to door on a college campus. They are looking for criminals, high-risk/violent individuals, warrants, and gang members, not the average college student in an off-campus apartment. Your child should comply as instructed, just as he would with any law enforcement officer if they happen to stop him and request identification. It's straightforward and basic when encountering ICE or a police officer.

They are disappearing people with no criminal record. They are detaining US citizens.

You do not have to speak to ICE or answer their questions. You can assert your right to remain silent and request a lawyer. You can decline their request to search you or your vehicle. ICE is not allowed into private spaces without a judicial warrant.

OP, here are resources from the Minnesota ACLU:

https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/what-if-im-stopped-police-or-ice/
https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/know-your-rights-college-students/

While technically correct, this generally terrible advice from a practical perspective.

If OP’s child is a citizen, s/he should politely answer ICE’s questions and carry/provide proof of citizenship if requested.

99% chance that will end the interaction safely and with no further action.

Most people don't carry proof of citizenship in the US though. It's not customary and we usually consider those important documents that we store away.

If you’re genuinely concerned, easy enough to take keep photos of docs on your phone. That, combined with polite and cooperative approach, is very likely to suffice.

yet, the evidence from the recent events tells us a completely different story.

No, photos are not adequate- it must be the real deal. Photos are seen as faked, and anyway - never let ice near your phone or computer or tablet, hide these immediately and don’t hand them over until wiped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Contact your school administration or legal services office if there is a law school there. I believe that rumor is false, and they do not have time to randomly go door to door on a college campus. They are looking for criminals, high-risk/violent individuals, warrants, and gang members, not the average college student in an off-campus apartment. Your child should comply as instructed, just as he would with any law enforcement officer if they happen to stop him and request identification. It's straightforward and basic when encountering ICE or a police officer.

They are disappearing people with no criminal record. They are detaining US citizens.

You do not have to speak to ICE or answer their questions. You can assert your right to remain silent and request a lawyer. You can decline their request to search you or your vehicle. ICE is not allowed into private spaces without a judicial warrant.

OP, here are resources from the Minnesota ACLU:

https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/what-if-im-stopped-police-or-ice/
https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/know-your-rights-college-students/

While technically correct, this generally terrible advice from a practical perspective.

If OP’s child is a citizen, s/he should politely answer ICE’s questions and carry/provide proof of citizenship if requested.

99% chance that will end the interaction safely and with no further action.

Correction: If OP's child is a white citizen...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Contact your school administration or legal services office if there is a law school there. I believe that rumor is false, and they do not have time to randomly go door to door on a college campus. They are looking for criminals, high-risk/violent individuals, warrants, and gang members, not the average college student in an off-campus apartment. Your child should comply as instructed, just as he would with any law enforcement officer if they happen to stop him and request identification. It's straightforward and basic when encountering ICE or a police officer.

They are disappearing people with no criminal record. They are detaining US citizens.

You do not have to speak to ICE or answer their questions. You can assert your right to remain silent and request a lawyer. You can decline their request to search you or your vehicle. ICE is not allowed into private spaces without a judicial warrant.

OP, here are resources from the Minnesota ACLU:

https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/what-if-im-stopped-police-or-ice/
https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/know-your-rights-college-students/

While technically correct, this generally terrible advice from a practical perspective.

If OP’s child is a citizen, s/he should politely answer ICE’s questions and carry/provide proof of citizenship if requested.

99% chance that will end the interaction safely and with no further action.

Most people don't carry proof of citizenship in the US though. It's not customary and we usually consider those important documents that we store away.

If you’re genuinely concerned, easy enough to take keep photos of docs on your phone. That, combined with polite and cooperative approach, is very likely to suffice.

yet, the evidence from the recent events tells us a completely different story.

+1

US citizens are being detained even when they offer to produce passport, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. If ice approaches or holds at gunpoint or breaks in, hide the phone. I don’t know if I’ve is taking phones but they might. Keep phone hidden.
2. Don’t make eye contact, just hand ID. Do not escalate the situation. License is not enough. Best to have passport card and book in case they confiscate or destroy one of them.
3. If any damage done, mentally or physically, make record of this AFTER ice is gone. Upload this record to a confidential place and delete from phone. Do not share with anyone at all.
Maybe a true police officer? Someday, they can hopefully be able to press charges and be compensated for the damages.

No, livestream it on Facebook/YouTube.

Document, document, document. It's the only thing informing the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Contact your school administration or legal services office if there is a law school there. I believe that rumor is false, and they do not have time to randomly go door to door on a college campus. They are looking for criminals, high-risk/violent individuals, warrants, and gang members, not the average college student in an off-campus apartment. Your child should comply as instructed, just as he would with any law enforcement officer if they happen to stop him and request identification. It's straightforward and basic when encountering ICE or a police officer.

They are disappearing people with no criminal record. They are detaining US citizens.

You do not have to speak to ICE or answer their questions. You can assert your right to remain silent and request a lawyer. You can decline their request to search you or your vehicle. ICE is not allowed into private spaces without a judicial warrant.

OP, here are resources from the Minnesota ACLU:

https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/what-if-im-stopped-police-or-ice/
https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/know-your-rights-college-students/

While technically correct, this generally terrible advice from a practical perspective.

If OP’s child is a citizen, s/he should politely answer ICE’s questions and carry/provide proof of citizenship if requested.

99% chance that will end the interaction safely and with no further action.

Correction: If OP's child is a white citizen...

I’m PP and my kids are brown, and I’m very confident that they will be fine if the cooperate and present documentation if requested.

I’m even more confident that failing to do so would make their situation MORE dangerous.

So aside from irrational fear-mongering and making kids less safe, you got anything else?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Contact your school administration or legal services office if there is a law school there. I believe that rumor is false, and they do not have time to randomly go door to door on a college campus. They are looking for criminals, high-risk/violent individuals, warrants, and gang members, not the average college student in an off-campus apartment. Your child should comply as instructed, just as he would with any law enforcement officer if they happen to stop him and request identification. It's straightforward and basic when encountering ICE or a police officer.

BS it is not "false"

And it is coming to all states before the elections.

Thank you MAGA

[Anonymous]

Awww your kids will be so safe

Notice though that ICE does not care when they shoot that there may be innocent bystanders nearby, unlike actual LEO.

Now worry of where teargas will end up.

These guys are the keystone cops with automatic weapons.

Your kids may still get a chance to be famous

[Anonymous]

People it is time for your kids to know their Constitutional rights.

If you do not think so move to Russia because the US is about to become even worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. If ice approaches or holds at gunpoint or breaks in, hide the phone. I don’t know if I’ve is taking phones but they might. Keep phone hidden.
2. Don’t make eye contact, just hand ID. Do not escalate the situation. License is not enough. Best to have passport card and book in case they confiscate or destroy one of them.
3. If any damage done, mentally or physically, make record of this AFTER ice is gone. Upload this record to a confidential place and delete from phone. Do not share with anyone at all.
Maybe a true police officer? Someday, they can hopefully be able to press charges and be compensated for the damages.

No, livestream it on Facebook/YouTube.

Document, document, document. It's the only thing informing the world.

You are more than welcome! But I won’t, and my kids won’t. Not worth dying for.