How to Support Students WRT information on ICE and rights?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a handy resource?
My DC goes to school in MN and I want to provide them with materials so that they understand their rights.
I assume the school will have information - but I have not seen anything.
Rumor has it ICE is going door to door with guns drawn and my student lives off campus so there is a greater than 0 chance will encounter a pack of ICE agents over the next few weeks.

Your adult child is in college and cannot figure this out for themselves? Why do you need to provide them with materials?

Or, did you just want to express your anxiety here, so you invented a problem so you'd have a reason to post?

Ooo pull the "Land the helicopter" trope

Sure. Use that when college kids have disagreements about whose turn it is to clean the bathroom

Not when they might encounter a paramilitary force on campus

I'm quite certain her adult students who are in college have access to a lot more information and materials are are more capable of finding them than little anxious mommy asking on a parenting forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Contact your school administration or legal services office if there is a law school there. I believe that rumor is false, and they do not have time to randomly go door to door on a college campus. They are looking for criminals, high-risk/violent individuals, warrants, and gang members, not the average college student in an off-campus apartment. Your child should comply as instructed, just as he would with any law enforcement officer if they happen to stop him and request identification. It's straightforward and basic when encountering ICE or a police officer.

What part of their recent behavior makes you think that?

Right. Pp, are you not paying attention or do you just believe everything you see on Fox News?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a handy resource?
My DC goes to school in MN and I want to provide them with materials so that they understand their rights.
I assume the school will have information - but I have not seen anything.
Rumor has it ICE is going door to door with guns drawn and my student lives off campus so there is a greater than 0 chance will encounter a pack of ICE agents over the next few weeks.

Your adult child is in college and cannot figure this out for themselves? Why do you need to provide them with materials?

Or, did you just want to express your anxiety here, so you invented a problem so you'd have a reason to post?

Ooo pull the "Land the helicopter" trope

Sure. Use that when college kids have disagreements about whose turn it is to clean the bathroom

Not when they might encounter a paramilitary force on campus

I'm quite certain her adult students who are in college have access to a lot more information and materials are are more capable of finding them than little anxious mommy asking on a parenting forum.

Uh. Noo

There are even adults in their 40s and 40s who could use some possibly legal advice

[Anonymous]

There are verified reports and video of ICE breaking down doors of homes with weapons drawn and children present in the home. This was happening yesterday, daylight.
They do not have judicial warrants. They show the home owner an administrative warrant, which is not the correct document to search a home. This is a direct violation of the Fourth Amendment.

I’m not sure what advice to give, but I agree that a college campus would be a target for ICE.
Be safe out there!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are verified reports and video of ICE breaking down doors of homes with weapons drawn and children present in the home. This was happening yesterday, daylight.
They do not have judicial warrants. They show the home owner an administrative warrant, which is not the correct document to search a home. This is a direct violation of the Fourth Amendment.

I’m not sure what advice to give, but I agree that a college campus would be a target for ICE.
Be safe out there!

+1

College kids don't know any better

[Anonymous]

There are lots of resources about what to do if ICE comes to your door, but the bottom line is: keep the door closed, politely ask them to show a judicial warrant, and continue to politely refuse.

While I think ICE is a bunch of untrained thugs, really the bottom-of-the-barrel in terms of LEOs, they are unlikely to kick in the door of some random college students, but OP's child can help others by keeping ICE busy while refusing to open the door.

The more time they are at the son's door, the less time they have to harass others.

[Anonymous]

My kid is on the fence about applying to Macalester because of the ICE presence.

[Anonymous]

Schools have been closed due to ICE presence, is the college holding in person classes? Maybe they can find home and do online stuff until this blows over. That’s what I’d do if it was my kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are lots of resources about what to do if ICE comes to your door, but the bottom line is: keep the door closed, politely ask them to show a judicial warrant, and continue to politely refuse.

While I think ICE is a bunch of untrained thugs, really the bottom-of-the-barrel in terms of LEOs, they are unlikely to kick in the door of some random college students, but OP's child can help others by keeping ICE busy while refusing to open the door.

The more time they are at the son's door, the less time they have to harass others.

Some homeowners are trying this, shutting door, but ICE broke door down and had guns out. It’s terrifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid is on the fence about applying to Macalester because of the ICE presence.

It’s certainly a very serious issue. I don’t know if it will resolve by next August. Maybe choose a college in a state/town where police are not cooperating with ICE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are verified reports and video of ICE breaking down doors of homes with weapons drawn and children present in the home. This was happening yesterday, daylight.
They do not have judicial warrants. They show the home owner an administrative warrant, which is not the correct document to search a home. This is a direct violation of the Fourth Amendment.

I’m not sure what advice to give, but I agree that a college campus would be a target for ICE.
Be safe out there!

+1

College kids don't know any better

Exactly. I’m an immigrant and an attorney so have thought about these things and informed and educated myself. But last night, my non-immigrant and non-attorney husband started wondering if he needs to have a better understanding of his own legal rights if he were to encounter ICE.

It’s not helicopter parenting to make sure your family members are armed with knowledge when confronting an unprecedented federal occupation of our communities and neighborhoods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Contact your school administration or legal services office if there is a law school there. I believe that rumor is false, and they do not have time to randomly go door to door on a college campus. They are looking for criminals, high-risk/violent individuals, warrants, and gang members, not the average college student in an off-campus apartment. Your child should comply as instructed, just as he would with any law enforcement officer if they happen to stop him and request identification. It's straightforward and basic when encountering ICE or a police officer.

They are disappearing people with no criminal record. They are detaining US citizens.

You do not have to speak to ICE or answer their questions. You can assert your right to remain silent and request a lawyer. You can decline their request to search you or your vehicle. ICE is not allowed into private spaces without a judicial warrant.

OP, here are resources from the Minnesota ACLU:

https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/what-if-im-stopped-police-or-ice/
https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/know-your-rights-college-students/

While technically correct, this generally terrible advice from a practical perspective.

If OP’s child is a citizen, s/he should politely answer ICE’s questions and carry/provide proof of citizenship if requested.

99% chance that will end the interaction safely and with no further action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Contact your school administration or legal services office if there is a law school there. I believe that rumor is false, and they do not have time to randomly go door to door on a college campus. They are looking for criminals, high-risk/violent individuals, warrants, and gang members, not the average college student in an off-campus apartment. Your child should comply as instructed, just as he would with any law enforcement officer if they happen to stop him and request identification. It's straightforward and basic when encountering ICE or a police officer.

They are disappearing people with no criminal record. They are detaining US citizens.

You do not have to speak to ICE or answer their questions. You can assert your right to remain silent and request a lawyer. You can decline their request to search you or your vehicle. ICE is not allowed into private spaces without a judicial warrant.

OP, here are resources from the Minnesota ACLU:

https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/what-if-im-stopped-police-or-ice/
https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/know-your-rights-college-students/

While technically correct, this generally terrible advice from a practical perspective.

If OP’s child is a citizen, s/he should politely answer ICE’s questions and carry/provide proof of citizenship if requested.

99% chance that will end the interaction safely and with no further action.

From a practical perspective, compromising our rights by collaborating with law enforcement beyond what’s required is what created the unaccountable secret police we are dealing with today.

We change this by understanding and demanding our rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Contact your school administration or legal services office if there is a law school there. I believe that rumor is false, and they do not have time to randomly go door to door on a college campus. They are looking for criminals, high-risk/violent individuals, warrants, and gang members, not the average college student in an off-campus apartment. Your child should comply as instructed, just as he would with any law enforcement officer if they happen to stop him and request identification. It's straightforward and basic when encountering ICE or a police officer.

They are disappearing people with no criminal record. They are detaining US citizens.

You do not have to speak to ICE or answer their questions. You can assert your right to remain silent and request a lawyer. You can decline their request to search you or your vehicle. ICE is not allowed into private spaces without a judicial warrant.

OP, here are resources from the Minnesota ACLU:

https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/what-if-im-stopped-police-or-ice/
https://www.aclu-mn.org/know-your-rights/know-your-rights-college-students/

While technically correct, this generally terrible advice from a practical perspective.

If OP’s child is a citizen, s/he should politely answer ICE’s questions and carry/provide proof of citizenship if requested.

99% chance that will end the interaction safely and with no further action.

From a practical perspective, compromising our rights by collaborating with law enforcement beyond what’s required is what created the unaccountable secret police we are dealing with today.

We change this by understanding and demanding our rights.

1. You want to take a stand? Go for it. But if OP wants to keep their kid safe and out of detention? Follow my advice.

2. Separately, I think your argument is flimsy. I’d argue that failing to support the enforcement of laws is what created today’s situation—by excusing the Jan 6 rioters and Trump on the one hand, and by not enforcing our immigration laws on the other.

You do you. But I think your approach is neither safe at an individual level nor productive at the societal level.

[Anonymous]

My college kids carry their passport card at all times, keep passport book in dorm room. They would be detained god knows where until I could find them and produce proof of citizenship. One is in a protected city, Philadelphia, but the other is not. They know not to look at IcE or engage in any way.