AAP vs. MS Honors - what's the difference?

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Anonymous wrote:I think Carson has separate AAP Algebra 1 H classes in 7th grade. I am not sure that Geometry is AAP only because a good number of kids take Geometry in the summer, there might not be enough 8th grade AAP Geometry students to have AAP only math classes.

Nope, this is not true. There is no separate AAP math curriculum at Carson.

I didn't say a separate curriculum, I said that there is a separate AAP A1H class, meaning that AAP kids are in their own Algebra 1H class.

I don't think this is true, but also I don't think there are many kids in Algebra 1 that were not in AAP in 6th.

Advanced math kids can take A1H in 7th grade, Fox Mill didn’t have LIV until this current years 7th graders and there are plenty of Fox Mill kids who were taking Advanced math and in A1H last year. I have no idea how many kids qualify for A1H through advanced math but I would guess that there are more then people think.

I also know that my kids A1H class at Carson was all AAP and several of my kids friends in A1H who were not in AAP did not have any AAP kids in their A1H class last year.

[Anonymous]

Cooper Middle School separates the Algebra I Honors 7th graders from the 8th graders. Generally the 7th graders in Algebra I Honors are more advanced than the 8th graders taking the same class.

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Anonymous wrote:Cooper Middle School separates the Algebra I Honors 7th graders from the 8th graders. Generally the 7th graders in Algebra I Honors are more advanced than the 8th graders taking the same class.

we found this to be a falsehood. A few were quicker in computation and uptake, but some are actually quite poorer as well. It’s a misnomer and a mixed bag of skill types.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Carson has separate AAP Algebra 1 H classes in 7th grade. I am not sure that Geometry is AAP only because a good number of kids take Geometry in the summer, there might not be enough 8th grade AAP Geometry students to have AAP only math classes.

Nope, this is not true. There is no separate AAP math curriculum at Carson.

I didn't say a separate curriculum, I said that there is a separate AAP A1H class, meaning that AAP kids are in their own Algebra 1H class.

No, this isn't true. There is Math 7 or Math 7H (which is Pre-Algebra or Math 8) or Algebra I/Algebra I H --> Geometry/Geometry H

I don't know what they are going to next year for the kids who have taken Algebra I in 6th grade. What will they take in 8th?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Carson has separate AAP Algebra 1 H classes in 7th grade. I am not sure that Geometry is AAP only because a good number of kids take Geometry in the summer, there might not be enough 8th grade AAP Geometry students to have AAP only math classes.

Nope, this is not true. There is no separate AAP math curriculum at Carson.

I didn't say a separate curriculum, I said that there is a separate AAP A1H class, meaning that AAP kids are in their own Algebra 1H class.

I don't think this is true, but also I don't think there are many kids in Algebra 1 that were not in AAP in 6th.

Advanced math kids can take A1H in 7th grade, Fox Mill didn’t have LIV until this current years 7th graders and there are plenty of Fox Mill kids who were taking Advanced math and in A1H last year. I have no idea how many kids qualify for A1H through advanced math but I would guess that there are more then people think.

I also know that my kids A1H class at Carson was all AAP and several of my kids friends in A1H who were not in AAP did not have any AAP kids in their A1H class last year.

Right. Because you looked at every single child's record to determine if they were AAP or not. Every single 7th grader at Carson including kids from several different elementary schools that you and your child had never met before? Please. You have NO idea who is AAP and who isn't. My child was surprised in 7th to discover that several of her classmates from her elementary AAP class were not in her middle school AAP classes, they were in Honors English and History. Turns out they had been principal placed into the elementary school AAP class since 3rd grade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cooper Middle School separates the Algebra I Honors 7th graders from the 8th graders. Generally the 7th graders in Algebra I Honors are more advanced than the 8th graders taking the same class.

we found this to be a falsehood. A few were quicker in computation and uptake, but some are actually quite poorer as well. It’s a misnomer and a mixed bag of skill types.

Honest question - how on earth would a parent know that certain kids in a math class are quicker at “computation and uptake”? I don’t even think my kid knows the names of all the kids in her math class!

[Anonymous]

As a parent, I'd watch and counter what might be a difference in advising. The next year, for 9th previously labeled AAP kids are encouraged to take all honors, and other kids, though straight As, are not - don't let this be their idea.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cooper Middle School separates the Algebra I Honors 7th graders from the 8th graders. Generally the 7th graders in Algebra I Honors are more advanced than the 8th graders taking the same class.

we found this to be a falsehood. A few were quicker in computation and uptake, but some are actually quite poorer as well. It’s a misnomer and a mixed bag of skill types.

Honest question - how on earth would a parent know that certain kids in a math class are quicker at “computation and uptake”? I don’t even think my kid knows the names of all the kids in her math class!

They don't. They're just making things up. They know about their own child and maybe a handful of kids whose parents they are friends with. That's it. I couldn't tell you anything about may kids' friends' grades or abilities other than what my child has told me in passing like "Oh, Olivia was upset because she got a low score on the History test" or "Charlotte was the only one in the class that got over 90%". You can't really infer "Olivia doesn't belong in AAP" based on that one comment, but PP appears to be doing so.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent, I'd watch and counter what might be a difference in advising. The next year, for 9th previously labeled AAP kids are encouraged to take all honors, and other kids, though straight As, are not - don't let this be their idea.

I don't think this happens. Everyone is encouraged to take honors.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Carson has separate AAP Algebra 1 H classes in 7th grade. I am not sure that Geometry is AAP only because a good number of kids take Geometry in the summer, there might not be enough 8th grade AAP Geometry students to have AAP only math classes.

Nope, this is not true. There is no separate AAP math curriculum at Carson.

I didn't say a separate curriculum, I said that there is a separate AAP A1H class, meaning that AAP kids are in their own Algebra 1H class.

I don't think this is true, but also I don't think there are many kids in Algebra 1 that were not in AAP in 6th.

Advanced math kids can take A1H in 7th grade, Fox Mill didn’t have LIV until this current years 7th graders and there are plenty of Fox Mill kids who were taking Advanced math and in A1H last year. I have no idea how many kids qualify for A1H through advanced math but I would guess that there are more then people think.

I also know that my kids A1H class at Carson was all AAP and several of my kids friends in A1H who were not in AAP did not have any AAP kids in their A1H class last year.

Right. Because you looked at every single child's record to determine if they were AAP or not. Every single 7th grader at Carson including kids from several different elementary schools that you and your child had never met before? Please. You have NO idea who is AAP and who isn't. My child was surprised in 7th to discover that several of her classmates from her elementary AAP class were not in her middle school AAP classes, they were in Honors English and History. Turns out they had been principal placed into the elementary school AAP class since 3rd grade.

No because every kid in his Algebra class was in one of his core classes, which were AAP.

We deferred AAP in ES, so we have no clue who was or was not in AAP from our school.

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I don't know why a poster says something didn't happen. If we post saying it did, it was our experience. It happened.

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Anonymous wrote:In practice, M7H at center schools is often faster paced or has less review than the same class at a local school due to the former having fewer strugglers and a better prepared student population.

Also why didn't you supplement during 5th? As a parent you are ultimately responsible for making sure your kid is learning what they need to learn

Parents should be able to count on the school curriculum covering he material needed for advancement. If a kids grades are good and their test results are good, you would think that they were prepared for the next class.

There are a good number of kids in AAP in ES that are not ready for advanced math but are placed there because there is no advanced LA path. They do ok in the class but are not really strong math students. It can catch up in later grades, we read about it from teachers in MS.

OP, you might want to find a tutor or go to a place like Mathnasium to shore up areas that your child is struggling with. There are some gaps but those can be closed with some additional attention.

Some kids are not cut out to learn at such a fast pace and that has nothing to do with the curriculum or the teaching, or the child's IQ for that matter, it's just the speed at which a child learns.

While I agree that executive functioning, processing, and the like differ greatly from kid to kid, a child who was in AAP math should be able to handle M7H, especially if said child had 4s in 6th grade math. M7H is almost a review course because the kids should have covered M7 in 6th grade. A student who earned 4s in math in 6th grade struggling with the MS M7H makes me wonder what was happening in the classroom in 6th grade.

M7H is M8, not M7 with a little bonus.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent, I'd watch and counter what might be a difference in advising. The next year, for 9th previously labeled AAP kids are encouraged to take all honors, and other kids, though straight As, are not - don't let this be their idea.

I don't think this happens. Everyone is encouraged to take honors.

As a momma of a bright Gen Ed kid who chose to take all honors (and managed straight As first quarter) I can tell you that the generic advice to Gen Ed kids at our school is to take one honors class in their area of strength and that taking all honors will be to hard for them. We had to advocate a bit to get him in the schedule he wanted...and if he didn't do well enough on sol day they would have bumped him out

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent, I'd watch and counter what might be a difference in advising. The next year, for 9th previously labeled AAP kids are encouraged to take all honors, and other kids, though straight As, are not - don't let this be their idea.

I don't think this happens. Everyone is encouraged to take honors.

As a momma of a bright Gen Ed kid who chose to take all honors (and managed straight As first quarter) I can tell you that the generic advice to Gen Ed kids at our school is to take one honors class in their area of strength and that taking all honors will be to hard for them. We had to advocate a bit to get him in the schedule he wanted...and if he didn't do well enough on sol day they would have bumped him out

Yep, I can confirm. I have a gen Ed kid too and no one ever said to take all honors. They acted like most people do not. Thankfully I didn’t listen although it did scare me. Update: my child is in all honors and coasting - made straight As first quarter. The advice to not take all honors is straight up bs.

The only difference is they would not bump us out based on SOLs. I would have fought it anyway.

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I know that most of our friends whose kids were not in AAP were told the same thing and they all ignored the advice. I think a good percentage of people put their kids into all honors.