AAP vs. MS Honors - what's the difference?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In practice, M7H at center schools is often faster paced or has less review than the same class at a local school due to the former having fewer strugglers and a better prepared student population.

Also why didn't you supplement during 5th? As a parent you are ultimately responsible for making sure your kid is learning what they need to learn

Parents should be able to count on the school curriculum covering he material needed for advancement. If a kids grades are good and their test results are good, you would think that they were prepared for the next class.

There are a good number of kids in AAP in ES that are not ready for advanced math but are placed there because there is no advanced LA path. They do ok in the class but are not really strong math students. It can catch up in later grades, we read about it from teachers in MS.

OP, you might want to find a tutor or go to a place like Mathnasium to shore up areas that your child is struggling with. There are some gaps but those can be closed with some additional attention.

Some kids are not cut out to learn at such a fast pace and that has nothing to do with the curriculum or the teaching, or the child's IQ for that matter, it's just the speed at which a child learns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In practice, M7H at center schools is often faster paced or has less review than the same class at a local school due to the former having fewer strugglers and a better prepared student population.

Also why didn't you supplement during 5th? As a parent you are ultimately responsible for making sure your kid is learning what they need to learn

Parents should be able to count on the school curriculum covering he material needed for advancement. If a kids grades are good and their test results are good, you would think that they were prepared for the next class.

There are a good number of kids in AAP in ES that are not ready for advanced math but are placed there because there is no advanced LA path. They do ok in the class but are not really strong math students. It can catch up in later grades, we read about it from teachers in MS.

OP, you might want to find a tutor or go to a place like Mathnasium to shore up areas that your child is struggling with. There are some gaps but those can be closed with some additional attention.

Some kids are not cut out to learn at such a fast pace and that has nothing to do with the curriculum or the teaching, or the child's IQ for that matter, it's just the speed at which a child learns.

While I agree that executive functioning, processing, and the like differ greatly from kid to kid, a child who was in AAP math should be able to handle M7H, especially if said child had 4s in 6th grade math. M7H is almost a review course because the kids should have covered M7 in 6th grade. A student who earned 4s in math in 6th grade struggling with the MS M7H makes me wonder what was happening in the classroom in 6th grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In practice, M7H at center schools is often faster paced or has less review than the same class at a local school due to the former having fewer strugglers and a better prepared student population.

Also why didn't you supplement during 5th? As a parent you are ultimately responsible for making sure your kid is learning what they need to learn

Parents should be able to count on the school curriculum covering he material needed for advancement. If a kids grades are good and their test results are good, you would think that they were prepared for the next class.

There are a good number of kids in AAP in ES that are not ready for advanced math but are placed there because there is no advanced LA path. They do ok in the class but are not really strong math students. It can catch up in later grades, we read about it from teachers in MS.

OP, you might want to find a tutor or go to a place like Mathnasium to shore up areas that your child is struggling with. There are some gaps but those can be closed with some additional attention.

Some kids are not cut out to learn at such a fast pace and that has nothing to do with the curriculum or the teaching, or the child's IQ for that matter, it's just the speed at which a child learns.

While I agree that executive functioning, processing, and the like differ greatly from kid to kid, a child who was in AAP math should be able to handle M7H, especially if said child had 4s in 6th grade math. M7H is almost a review course because the kids should have covered M7 in 6th grade. A student who earned 4s in math in 6th grade struggling with the MS M7H makes me wonder what was happening in the classroom in 6th grade.

NP. Well I can tell you that for 6th grade advanced math we had a trianee who had never taught before so it was a bit of a sh$t show. I did my best to reteach and supplement but it was a hard year. This year in Math 7H (supposed to be an easy review, right?) we have a bad teacher who goes too fast. She’s using some kind of interactive notebook which is a disaster - notes/classwork come home incomplete and homework doesn’t match the notes.

Then the tests happen - which also don’t seem match the instruction closely. So my kid is barely holding on to an A.

[Anonymous]

I can’t speak well to difference, but my kid was in advanced math in elementary and did not qualify for Algebra I (from her reporting, maybe 1/4 of the kids qualified). This wasn’t a surprise — kid was decent at math but it didn’t come easily.

Anyway, kid took Math 7H, Algebra I H, and is currently doing well in Geometry H. The end result of this track is still Calculus for most kids. Kid has certainly never been bored and is staying on honors track for math.

[Anonymous]

Some (center) schools do have separate AAP math courses. I taught Algebra 1 honors AAP to 7th graders and a separate algebra 1 honors that was open enrollment to 7th and 8th graders who weren't AAP. That one didn't get into as many cool tangents and sidebars, because the kids took a little longer to master the material, but the tests were the same. The AAP class had a handful of extra extensions and puzzles because we had time for it.

[Anonymous]

I think Carson has separate AAP Algebra 1 H classes in 7th grade. I am not sure that Geometry is AAP only because a good number of kids take Geometry in the summer, there might not be enough 8th grade AAP Geometry students to have AAP only math classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In practice, M7H at center schools is often faster paced or has less review than the same class at a local school due to the former having fewer strugglers and a better prepared student population.

You're gross. This is an elitist, ridiculous post that isnt even relevant to the OP's question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In practice, M7H at center schools is often faster paced or has less review than the same class at a local school due to the former having fewer strugglers and a better prepared student population.

You're gross. This is an elitist, ridiculous post that isnt even relevant to the OP's question.

It isn't gross, it is true. The kids at Poe have had a very different educational experience then most of the kids at Carson, Longfellow, Cooper, or Rocky Run. More kids at Poe are coming out of high FARMs and ELL schools then the kids at Carson. They have had different type of math exposure then the kids at Carson. Heck, math at Carson is going to be different then math at Franklin because of the number of kids moving to Carson from Franklin for AAP. A decent number of the AAP kids that attend Carson as their Center school have been in enrichment through ES, they know A1H and Geometry before they get to MS.

That is reality. Teachers are going to teach to the kids that they have in their classroom. The classroom looks very different at schools with higher poverty levels then base schools with less poverty than Center schools with lower poverty. It is what it is.

One of the complaints at Carson is that too many teachers are teaching to the kids in the class who have been participating in enrichment, so they already know the material in A1H or Geometry. Kids who have not had that enrichment struggle and parents complain that the class is moving too quickly or not being taught properly because the teacher is teaching to the 2/3 of the class that have been at enrichment. I have no clue what the percentage of kids in AAP at Carson have been in some sort of math enrichment, but knowing the kids and the parents, I would guess that the vast majority have been in some type of enrichment. My view might be biased because my kid is in Mathcounts and I know that the kids he is hanging out with have all done enrichment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In practice, M7H at center schools is often faster paced or has less review than the same class at a local school due to the former having fewer strugglers and a better prepared student population.

You're gross. This is an elitist, ridiculous post that isnt even relevant to the OP's question.

It isn't gross, it is true. The kids at Poe have had a very different educational experience then most of the kids at Carson, Longfellow, Cooper, or Rocky Run. More kids at Poe are coming out of high FARMs and ELL schools then the kids at Carson. They have had different type of math exposure then the kids at Carson. Heck, math at Carson is going to be different then math at Franklin because of the number of kids moving to Carson from Franklin for AAP. A decent number of the AAP kids that attend Carson as their Center school have been in enrichment through ES, they know A1H and Geometry before they get to MS.

That is reality. Teachers are going to teach to the kids that they have in their classroom. The classroom looks very different at schools with higher poverty levels then base schools with less poverty than Center schools with lower poverty. It is what it is.

One of the complaints at Carson is that too many teachers are teaching to the kids in the class who have been participating in enrichment, so they already know the material in A1H or Geometry. Kids who have not had that enrichment struggle and parents complain that the class is moving too quickly or not being taught properly because the teacher is teaching to the 2/3 of the class that have been at enrichment. I have no clue what the percentage of kids in AAP at Carson have been in some sort of math enrichment, but knowing the kids and the parents, I would guess that the vast majority have been in some type of enrichment. My view might be biased because my kid is in Mathcounts and I know that the kids he is hanging out with have all done enrichment.

Keep trying to convince yourself that you're not an elitist. It is blatantly obvious that you're arrogant and snooty, and the more you write, the stronger the evidence of your arrogance, but go ahead and try to convince yourself that you're not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In practice, M7H at center schools is often faster paced or has less review than the same class at a local school due to the former having fewer strugglers and a better prepared student population.

You're gross. This is an elitist, ridiculous post that isnt even relevant to the OP's question.

It isn't gross, it is true. The kids at Poe have had a very different educational experience then most of the kids at Carson, Longfellow, Cooper, or Rocky Run. More kids at Poe are coming out of high FARMs and ELL schools then the kids at Carson. They have had different type of math exposure then the kids at Carson. Heck, math at Carson is going to be different then math at Franklin because of the number of kids moving to Carson from Franklin for AAP. A decent number of the AAP kids that attend Carson as their Center school have been in enrichment through ES, they know A1H and Geometry before they get to MS.

That is reality. Teachers are going to teach to the kids that they have in their classroom. The classroom looks very different at schools with higher poverty levels then base schools with less poverty than Center schools with lower poverty. It is what it is.

One of the complaints at Carson is that too many teachers are teaching to the kids in the class who have been participating in enrichment, so they already know the material in A1H or Geometry. Kids who have not had that enrichment struggle and parents complain that the class is moving too quickly or not being taught properly because the teacher is teaching to the 2/3 of the class that have been at enrichment. I have no clue what the percentage of kids in AAP at Carson have been in some sort of math enrichment, but knowing the kids and the parents, I would guess that the vast majority have been in some type of enrichment. My view might be biased because my kid is in Mathcounts and I know that the kids he is hanging out with have all done enrichment.

They are still going to follow the curriculum - they aren’t catering to kids who get outside enrichment. In fact, those kids are actually very irritating to teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think Carson has separate AAP Algebra 1 H classes in 7th grade. I am not sure that Geometry is AAP only because a good number of kids take Geometry in the summer, there might not be enough 8th grade AAP Geometry students to have AAP only math classes.

Nope, this is not true. There is no separate AAP math curriculum at Carson.

[Anonymous]

And yet again, FCPS managed to roll out math classes that differ all across the county. It’s so muddled that even within one school, people are not told what is really happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Carson has separate AAP Algebra 1 H classes in 7th grade. I am not sure that Geometry is AAP only because a good number of kids take Geometry in the summer, there might not be enough 8th grade AAP Geometry students to have AAP only math classes.

Nope, this is not true. There is no separate AAP math curriculum at Carson.

I didn't say a separate curriculum, I said that there is a separate AAP A1H class, meaning that AAP kids are in their own Algebra 1H class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Carson has separate AAP Algebra 1 H classes in 7th grade. I am not sure that Geometry is AAP only because a good number of kids take Geometry in the summer, there might not be enough 8th grade AAP Geometry students to have AAP only math classes.

Nope, this is not true. There is no separate AAP math curriculum at Carson.

I didn't say a separate curriculum, I said that there is a separate AAP A1H class, meaning that AAP kids are in their own Algebra 1H class.

I don't think this is true, but also I don't think there are many kids in Algebra 1 that were not in AAP in 6th.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no AAP math. Math class is basically open enrollment for whatever level the kid qualifies for. The only actual segregated AAP classes are Language Arts, Science, and Social Studies.

This. AAP and Honors ARE different in MS (by how much depends on the school) but there is no such thing as AAP math in MS. AAP middle schools with have Math 7, Math 7 Honors (same as Math 8), Math 8, Algebra 1, Algebra1 Honors, Geometry, Geometry Honors, and, depending on the school, Algebra 2 Honors.

For a kid struggling in 6th grade AAP Math, you'd be looking at Math 7 or Math 7 Honors.