Make American Test Optional Again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m glad colleges are moving back toward requiring the testing. With all the ridiculous grade inflation going on, this can be a differentiator. Not a huge fan of the superscore approach because I think that leads to the problem you’ve identified.

I agree with you. But I would prefer state subject tests instead. Also, MCPS just changed their grading policy so some grade inflation could decrease.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I want the US to align itself with the rest of the world and only consider academics. Test scores should be a lot more central to the applications than they are now.

Nobody’s stopping you from moving to South Korea or India for their superior high stakes test based education system.

Unless the PP is a citizen of those countries, there is actually something stopping them from moving to those countries.

But, even so, more and more universities here are moving to test required, for a reason.

Yeah, it’s really hard to sort through 60,000 identical applications.

“My kid is good at the test therefore it’s the best measure of talent”, sure thing boss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m glad colleges are moving back toward requiring the testing. With all the ridiculous grade inflation going on, this can be a differentiator. Not a huge fan of the superscore approach because I think that leads to the problem you’ve identified.

I agree with you. But I would prefer state subject tests instead. Also, MCPS just changed their grading policy so some grade inflation could decrease.

Great news, New York State has those.

Ah, Regents exams, what a colossal waste of time those were.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of the top 75 colleges, including SLACs, how many are test required?

Vast majority of unhooked applicants/admits submit scores to top75, including SLACs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want the US to align itself with the rest of the world and only consider academics. Test scores should be a lot more central to the applications than they are now.

Nobody’s stopping you from moving to South Korea or India for their superior high stakes test based education system.

Unless the PP is a citizen of those countries, there is actually something stopping them from moving to those countries.

But, even so, more and more universities here are moving to test required, for a reason.

Yeah, it’s really hard to sort through 60,000 identical applications.

“My kid is good at the test therefore it’s the best measure of talent”, sure thing boss.

Hey dolt, no one said colleges should ONLY look at SAT scores.

[Anonymous]

MAGA youth should be farming and saving their farms. They should not waste money on college.

K-12 schooling should be made into K-14 schools for kids who do not go to college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MAGA youth should be farming and saving their farms. They should not waste money on college.

K-12 schooling should be made into K-14 schools for kids who do not go to college.

Ugh, no. Whatever those kids failed to do in the first 12 grades, they are not going to accomplish in 13 and 14.

If anything, some of these kids need to be let out a lot sooner so they can start working, since that is where they are going to end up anyways.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want the US to align itself with the rest of the world and only consider academics. Test scores should be a lot more central to the applications than they are now.

Nobody’s stopping you from moving to South Korea or India for their superior high stakes test based education system.

Unless the PP is a citizen of those countries, there is actually something stopping them from moving to those countries.

But, even so, more and more universities here are moving to test required, for a reason.

Yeah, it’s really hard to sort through 60,000 identical applications.

“My kid is good at the test therefore it’s the best measure of talent”, sure thing boss.

NYC suburban public high, every kid in the 1570-1600 band accepted to at least one T30. No exception.
Most accepted by Brown (test required) and/or Cornell. The rest went to other ivy pluses (Penn Chicago) and SWAP (Williams Amherst). The lowest acceptance by NYU/Michigan/UVA, including kids in 85-90/100 grade range (bottom 25 percentile).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Woke up this morning to find the whole first page full of SAT. Wall to wall. It's nauseating.
Don't kids have better things to do?

TikTok dances, garage bands, or peaceful coups against cafeteria pizza?
We don't need more bubbles filled in with No. 2 pencils.
We need freedom ... freedom from test scores, freedom from AP courses, freedom from grades.

You already have that freedom so stop whining. No one can force your kid to take to the SAT/SCT or AP courses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is about a 400 point difference in scores if you look solely at household income. Those in the top quartile score about 400 points higher than those in the bottom quartile.

It’s about 250 points, and the variance within income groups is much high than the variance between. Give the parents and kids IQ tests and I’ll bet you’ll see a similar difference on average.

People seem to be flabbergasted that the kids of smart parents tend to have smart kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Better to use test scores than to hand out admission spots to jackasses who had their mommy start a fake charity (that is abandoned once the kid is admitted).

Don't forget about fake testing accommodations.

But taking the test six times and cherry picking the best results from different tests is still cool, right?

UMC whites do it all the time, even WITH testing accommodations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Woke up this morning to find the whole first page full of SAT. Wall to wall. It's nauseating.
Don't kids have better things to do?

TikTok dances, garage bands, or peaceful coups against cafeteria pizza?
We don't need more bubbles filled in with No. 2 pencils.
We need freedom ... freedom from test scores, freedom from AP courses, freedom from grades.

Telling the very first word in OP’ post was:

Woke

[Anonymous]

Entitled parents sending their kids to SAT prep courses perpetuates inequities and only serves to widen the racial achievement gap. Wealthier students have unfair access to test preparation resources overall, which leads to unearned higher scores. This only heightens unearned white privilege and diminished access to education for BIPOCs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want the US to align itself with the rest of the world and only consider academics. Test scores should be a lot more central to the applications than they are now.

Nobody’s stopping you from moving to South Korea or India for their superior high stakes test based education system.

Unless the PP is a citizen of those countries, there is actually something stopping them from moving to those countries.

But, even so, more and more universities here are moving to test required, for a reason.

Yeah, it’s really hard to sort through 60,000 identical applications.

“My kid is good at the test therefore it’s the best measure of talent”, sure thing boss.

It is. Only someone who doesn't score well would scoff at this essential truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Entitled parents sending their kids to SAT prep courses perpetuates inequities and only serves to widen the racial achievement gap. Wealthier students have unfair access to test preparation resources overall, which leads to unearned higher scores. This only heightens unearned white privilege and diminished access to education for BIPOCs.

I sent my kid to a test prep course that cost $1000 and we’re not white. My kid is fortunate that they had access to this teat prep but if the money hadn’t been there, they would have prepared with a test prep book (like many of us did a generation ago) or free online resource. One problem lies with access to quality academic preparation at school. There was a time when if you had a solid English and math instruction, and some practice taking multiple choice tests, the SAT wasn’t that difficult.