Make American Test Optional Again

[Anonymous]

Don’t go to college if you didn’t learn anything in high school! It’s that simple!

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Anonymous wrote:Entitled parents sending their kids to SAT prep courses perpetuates inequities and only serves to widen the racial achievement gap. Wealthier students have unfair access to test preparation resources overall, which leads to unearned higher scores. This only heightens unearned white privilege and diminished access to education for BIPOCs.

And yet standardized testing is thought to be less influenced by wealth than high school attended, extracurriculars, jobs/internships, legacy and of course, donations.

As a UC parent I can honestly tell you we can buy our way into any private high school, the most unique ECs, and the most convincing essays. But prep after prep DC cannot get a 1300+ in sat. I genuinely wish every school is test blind so we could have more options.

I hear this a lot. People keep perpetuating the lie that 1500 scores are common and bought by test prep. No. It’s the smart immigrant kids getting 1500.

At a certain minimum, the sat has nothing to do with intelligence but how much effort you want to put into the sat. Our DD went from a 1300 to a 1590, and it was just because she studied for the damn thing.

The days have not really measured IQ very well since they got rid of the analogies section. It is an academic aptitude test. Overwhelming majority of kids can study 24/7 and not break 1400.

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Anonymous wrote:Better to use test scores than to hand out admission spots to jackasses who had their mommy start a fake charity (that is abandoned once the kid is admitted).

Don't forget about fake testing accommodations.

But taking the test six times and cherry picking the best results from different tests is still cool, right?

UMC whites do it all the time, even WITH testing accommodations.

But you see grades are inflated (you can attend HS once only) and all ECs are made up or something, but the test is perfectly objective as long as you test prep over and over and take it five times and superscore (cherry pick top scores only).

I don’t object to the test as an additional data point of limited usefulness, but the total fanatical devotion to IT’S THE ONLY OBJECTIVE MEASURE, is to be frank, complete nonsense.

If you think you or your kid has any superior characteristics because they took a test nobody over the age of 18 ever cares about, get help.

DP kids with a 1500 SAT score are superior students to kids with 1400 SAT scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Entitled parents sending their kids to SAT prep courses perpetuates inequities and only serves to widen the racial achievement gap. Wealthier students have unfair access to test preparation resources overall, which leads to unearned higher scores. This only heightens unearned white privilege and diminished access to education for BIPOCs.

None of what you say is true. There is more science establishing the validity of testing than there is for global warming or the big bang.

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Anonymous wrote:I want the US to align itself with the rest of the world and only consider academics. Test scores should be a lot more central to the applications than they are now.

Nobody’s stopping you from moving to South Korea or India for their superior high stakes test based education system.

Unless the PP is a citizen of those countries, there is actually something stopping them from moving to those countries.

But, even so, more and more universities here are moving to test required, for a reason.

Yeah, it’s really hard to sort through 60,000 identical applications.

“My kid is good at the test therefore it’s the best measure of talent”, sure thing boss.

DP or it could be the 100 years of science and research establishing this fact. There is a reason every other country in the world relies on testing

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Anonymous wrote:EVERY school should be TEST REQUIRED and NO ONE should get extra time!

It's a STANDARDIZED test!

God damn!

we also shouldn't allow for 504s or IEPs, right? Screw kids with SN.

Screw YOU.

The classroom experience is NOT the same thing as a STANDARDIZED test.

A kid with legit SN should get all the help they need (and can reasonably be provided) to learn the material.

But when they sit down for the ACT, everyone should take the SAME TEST under the SAME CONDITIONS.

Otherwise it's not really a standardized test.

DUH!

Well you know what, I’m sure my kid with a 504 and extra time would prefer not to have ADHD and be able to concentrate and do well without accommodations. But life isn’t fair and time and a half on a standardized test isn’t going to fix their brain chemistry and all the other issues these kids legitimately face b/c of their diagnosis’s . So stop being bitter and think about what you are suggesting.

Or maybe we should level the playing field and give all kids extra time, but they all need to take a pill to mimic ADHD/dyslexia/anxiety/etc. Does that sound fair in the name of standardizing things?

That's dumb. It's one thing to have appropriate education so your kid learns something so they can be a productive member of society, it's another thing to take a kid that can't really keep up and pretend he can keep up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:EVERY school should be TEST REQUIRED and NO ONE should get extra time!

It's a STANDARDIZED test!

God damn!

we also shouldn't allow for 504s or IEPs, right? Screw kids with SN.

It's for college not health care

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:EVERY school should be TEST REQUIRED and NO ONE should get extra time!

It's a STANDARDIZED test!

God damn!

we also shouldn't allow for 504s or IEPs, right? Screw kids with SN.

It's for college not health care

? 504 and IEP are there for academics so that SN kids can do better in school, which leads to doing better in college admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:EVERY school should be TEST REQUIRED and NO ONE should get extra time!

It's a STANDARDIZED test!

God damn!

we also shouldn't allow for 504s or IEPs, right? Screw kids with SN.

Screw YOU.

The classroom experience is NOT the same thing as a STANDARDIZED test.

A kid with legit SN should get all the help they need (and can reasonably be provided) to learn the material.

But when they sit down for the ACT, everyone should take the SAME TEST under the SAME CONDITIONS.

Otherwise it's not really a standardized test.

DUH!

Well you know what, I’m sure my kid with a 504 and extra time would prefer not to have ADHD and be able to concentrate and do well without accommodations. But life isn’t fair and time and a half on a standardized test isn’t going to fix their brain chemistry and all the other issues these kids legitimately face b/c of their diagnosis’s . So stop being bitter and think about what you are suggesting.

Or maybe we should level the playing field and give all kids extra time, but they all need to take a pill to mimic ADHD/dyslexia/anxiety/etc. Does that sound fair in the name of standardizing things?

That's dumb. It's one thing to have appropriate education so your kid learns something so they can be a productive member of society, it's another thing to take a kid that can't really keep up and pretend he can keep up.

Actually you are dumb. IEPs and 504s serve a variety of purposes that are individualized to a kid’s needs. Yes, some kids may need more help than others to be as you say “productive members of society.” And others don’t need help to be productive members of society. They need a little extra time to calm their brains or unscramble words on a page or deal with blood sugar fluctuations.

I’m sorry you feel so threatened by kids that get extra time on the SAT or ACT.

[Anonymous]

If the point is to identify the smartest kids, many of the smartest most creative and innovative kids are neurodiverse. Silicon Valley is littered with successful neurodiverse humans. They are the ones that think differently and do not fit into the box of K-12 education.

504s and IEPs are about addressing differences so they can evaluate abilities and potential based on a similar starting point.

The working world is not K-12 school.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:EVERY school should be TEST REQUIRED and NO ONE should get extra time!

It's a STANDARDIZED test!

God damn!

we also shouldn't allow for 504s or IEPs, right? Screw kids with SN.

Screw YOU.

The classroom experience is NOT the same thing as a STANDARDIZED test.

A kid with legit SN should get all the help they need (and can reasonably be provided) to learn the material.

But when they sit down for the ACT, everyone should take the SAME TEST under the SAME CONDITIONS.

Otherwise it's not really a standardized test.

DUH!

Well you know what, I’m sure my kid with a 504 and extra time would prefer not to have ADHD and be able to concentrate and do well without accommodations. But life isn’t fair and time and a half on a standardized test isn’t going to fix their brain chemistry and all the other issues these kids legitimately face b/c of their diagnosis’s . So stop being bitter and think about what you are suggesting.

Or maybe we should level the playing field and give all kids extra time, but they all need to take a pill to mimic ADHD/dyslexia/anxiety/etc. Does that sound fair in the name of standardizing things?

That's dumb. It's one thing to have appropriate education so your kid learns something so they can be a productive member of society, it's another thing to take a kid that can't really keep up and pretend he can keep up.

Actually you are dumb. IEPs and 504s serve a variety of purposes that are individualized to a kid’s needs. Yes, some kids may need more help than others to be as you say “productive members of society.” And others don’t need help to be productive members of society. They need a little extra time to calm their brains or unscramble words on a page or deal with blood sugar fluctuations.

I’m sorry you feel so threatened by kids that get extra time on the SAT or ACT.

What?!?

They don’t need extra time to "calm their brains" when they are playing their video games or scrolling online hours on end.

It's a scam.