Non-English Speaking Students

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why we homeschool.

Sometimes I really want to go into the homeschooling section of dcum and every time someone complains about homeschooling is really hard I should brag about why I go to public school. I swear homeschooling parents are like the most insecure social awkward twits

Better to be an insecure socially awkward twit than a judgmental whore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why we homeschool.

Sometimes I really want to go into the homeschooling section of dcum and every time someone complains about homeschooling is really hard I should brag about why I go to public school. I swear homeschooling parents are like the most insecure social awkward twits

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, just not at the richer school. Its sad a teacher doesn't want students - seems a bit racist.

What does this have to do with teachers? The county makes these choices, not the teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, just not at the richer school. Its sad a teacher doesn't want students - seems a bit racist.

Oh shut up. Recognizing you don’t have the skills kids need and advocating for them to get what they need isn’t racist. It’s noble.

- NP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why we homeschool.

Sometimes I really want to go into the homeschooling section of dcum and every time someone complains about homeschooling is really hard I should brag about why I go to public school. I swear homeschooling parents are like the most insecure social awkward twits

Better to be an insecure socially awkward twit than a judgmental whore.

Unless you're offering at home school my kids or pay for their private school why the hell do you care how my children are being educated. Why do you think I care whether they're being homeschooled or in private school? It's not the forum for you. Normalize staying in your own lane unless you have something useful to contribute

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Not a troll post. The school is Wheaton HS. I need to clarify:

1. This is a HIGH school. We do not have pull outs. Not for language learning services. This is not a post for ES or MS.

2. Yes, EML (English Multilingual Learners) have always been in Gen Ed. BUT, up until this year, it has been Level 3s and Level 4s (kids who have at least some English proficiency.

3. I am talking about a change from Level 1s and 2s (new arrivals or kids with little to no English language) having used to have the option for a slower/sheltered English class to now being pushed into the “Honors for all” classes (Wheaton no longer has “on-level”).

While I understand this is DC “moms and dads” this is more of a post asking other teachers what is happening at their schools.

Oh wow, I am so glad you updated. My just graduated from Wheaton. Spent first semester senior year in AP English but decided to drop down to English Honors for second semester. "Honors" 12th grade English sounded awful. Said they did not read entire books, just abridged/excerpted and that they spent class time reading taking turns reading the reading aloud!

This "honors for all" thing is a farce. There should be AP, Honors, and Grade Level, or something of that sort. It's ridiculous to throw all the kids into one level except for AP, especially at a school like Wheaton with such a huge breadth of student experiences. I understand your post is about it being bad for the ELL and I agree. But it's also bad for the kids who are at a high level because the class is not challenging enough.

THANK YOU!!! Teachers at Wheaton have been shouting this from the rooftops for years now. Things are not getting better under this current model and teachers are leaving left and right in this profession

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t there far fewer new students this year who speak zero English? I assume Trump has scared off immigrants trying to cross the border.

If you believe this, you are delusional. There is just as many kids as ever who don’t know English.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I attended DCPS elementary school in the 1980s and the kids who could not speak English seemed to spend most of the day in class with us and maybe an hour or two with the ESL teacher.

We did not have a special ESL section.

Special ESL section and today’s is an hour in another class designed for kids who are learning English. So yes, you did have that in the 80s… But even if you didn’t, that’s the most stupid argument I’ve ever heard… Things were like this back in my day…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No OP is right. Level I ESOL students used to have their own English class, often double period. This year that is gone and they are in General Ed English Classes and it is INSANE.

I do not agree with it either. Where are the basics, what are they supposed to be doing, learning to say Hello and simultaneously reading novels?

Dumbest thing Maryland has done. It is state led btw OP, not an MCPS thing from what I understand.

This is at the high school and middle school levels? Are the schools having a second teacher that is ESOL certified circulate? Is that the system?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No OP is right. Level I ESOL students used to have their own English class, often double period. This year that is gone and they are in General Ed English Classes and it is INSANE.

I do not agree with it either. Where are the basics, what are they supposed to be doing, learning to say Hello and simultaneously reading novels?

Dumbest thing Maryland has done. It is state led btw OP, not an MCPS thing from what I understand.

This is at the high school and middle school levels? Are the schools having a second teacher that is ESOL certified circulate? Is that the system?

High school level. And yes, there is a second teacher circulating. But in a school like Wheaton with a very high ESOL population you have like 15 kids who don’t know English in one class. That’s impossible

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t there far fewer new students this year who speak zero English? I assume Trump has scared off immigrants trying to cross the border.

If you believe this, you are delusional. There is just as many kids as ever who don’t know English.

How is that possible when border crossings have dropped significantly? I’m not making a comment on whether that is good or bad - just stating our present reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No OP is right. Level I ESOL students used to have their own English class, often double period. This year that is gone and they are in General Ed English Classes and it is INSANE.

I do not agree with it either. Where are the basics, what are they supposed to be doing, learning to say Hello and simultaneously reading novels?

Dumbest thing Maryland has done. It is state led btw OP, not an MCPS thing from what I understand.

This is at the high school and middle school levels? Are the schools having a second teacher that is ESOL certified circulate? Is that the system?

High school level. And yes, there is a second teacher circulating. But in a school like Wheaton with a very high ESOL population you have like 15 kids who don’t know English in one class. That’s impossible

Is this the Wheaton teacher commenting? I don’t believe they would put 15 kids who don’t speak English into an Honors English class. I can see them putting 3-4 kids in and that is already very difficult to deal with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Not a troll post. The school is Wheaton HS. I need to clarify:

1. This is a HIGH school. We do not have pull outs. Not for language learning services. This is not a post for ES or MS.

2. Yes, EML (English Multilingual Learners) have always been in Gen Ed. BUT, up until this year, it has been Level 3s and Level 4s (kids who have at least some English proficiency.

3. I am talking about a change from Level 1s and 2s (new arrivals or kids with little to no English language) having used to have the option for a slower/sheltered English class to now being pushed into the “Honors for all” classes (Wheaton no longer has “on-level”).

While I understand this is DC “moms and dads” this is more of a post asking other teachers what is happening at their schools.

Oh wow, I am so glad you updated. My just graduated from Wheaton. Spent first semester senior year in AP English but decided to drop down to English Honors for second semester. "Honors" 12th grade English sounded awful. Said they did not read entire books, just abridged/excerpted and that they spent class time reading taking turns reading the reading aloud!

This "honors for all" thing is a farce. There should be AP, Honors, and Grade Level, or something of that sort. It's ridiculous to throw all the kids into one level except for AP, especially at a school like Wheaton with such a huge breadth of student experiences. I understand your post is about it being bad for the ELL and I agree. But it's also bad for the kids who are at a high level because the class is not challenging enough.

MCPS HS teacher here. Honors for all is horrible and needs to be eliminated. Stupid ideas like this are a major reason so many people have turned anti DEI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No OP is right. Level I ESOL students used to have their own English class, often double period. This year that is gone and they are in General Ed English Classes and it is INSANE.

I do not agree with it either. Where are the basics, what are they supposed to be doing, learning to say Hello and simultaneously reading novels?

Dumbest thing Maryland has done. It is state led btw OP, not an MCPS thing from what I understand.

This is at the high school and middle school levels? Are the schools having a second teacher that is ESOL certified circulate? Is that the system?

High school level. And yes, there is a second teacher circulating. But in a school like Wheaton with a very high ESOL population you have like 15 kids who don’t know English in one class. That’s impossible

Is this the Wheaton teacher commenting? I don’t believe they would put 15 kids who don’t speak English into an Honors English class. I can see them putting 3-4 kids in and that is already very difficult to deal with.

Thats what this WHOLE thread is about. ESOL students used to have a dedicated English class for them. This year that is gone and they are ALL in Honors English. WHS has a high ESOL population so yes, it is difficult.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No OP is right. Level I ESOL students used to have their own English class, often double period. This year that is gone and they are in General Ed English Classes and it is INSANE.

I do not agree with it either. Where are the basics, what are they supposed to be doing, learning to say Hello and simultaneously reading novels?

Dumbest thing Maryland has done. It is state led btw OP, not an MCPS thing from what I understand.

This is at the high school and middle school levels? Are the schools having a second teacher that is ESOL certified circulate? Is that the system?

High school level. And yes, there is a second teacher circulating. But in a school like Wheaton with a very high ESOL population you have like 15 kids who don’t know English in one class. That’s impossible

Is this the Wheaton teacher commenting? I don’t believe they would put 15 kids who don’t speak English into an Honors English class. I can see them putting 3-4 kids in and that is already very difficult to deal with.

Yes. Wheaton teacher here. Not giving away all of my class stats for personal privacy reasons but just checked and one of my classes is 40% EML.

If you are at a W school, sure it’s probably 2-4 kids.. but at Wheaton where we have a HIGH English Learning Population, this is our reality.

Do better MCPS