How many out of county students pay tuition to attend FCPS?

[Anonymous]

The only ones I know are exchange students.

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Anonymous wrote:For some, it’s cheaper and easier to rent an apartment or a room somewhere in district for the one year. The kid lives in it with whatever family member they want M-F. It would be the primary residence.

There was a very famous--and well respected football player--who did that for his son about twenty years ago. It didn't turn out well.

I was suggesting they actually move there. Not rent just for the address. That would be illegal.

Agree that would be illegal.

After giving this more thought and perusing the responses here, I'm beginning to think that FCPS is purposely hiding these numbers. I also wonder if the number of out of county students (excluding those at TJ) is insignificant (in which case it is no big deal to show those numbers) and how many are paying tuition. Or, maybe they are significant enough to affect boundary decisions.

-OP

It’s the former. I’ve been a school-based administrator for over 15 years. I’ve never known anyone to pay out of county tuition. I have told parents that they will be charged this because we have discovered that they live out of county and we have proof (through a residency investigation). They withdraw.

Thank you. Are most of these discovered toward the beginning of the year? Is this a yearly occurrence or once in a blue moon? Besides my friend, the only other case I personally know of involved a ES student who unknowingly outted herself while I was waiting in the office to take my kid to a doctor appointment. The girl was explaining why she was tardy and it traffic on 495 was backed up on her way to school. We are in western Fairfax far from 495. The Secretary asked where the girl lived and it was somewhere up 95 north of the beltway. I don’t remember specifically where any more. It was horrible to watch/hear.

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Anonymous wrote:For some, it’s cheaper and easier to rent an apartment or a room somewhere in district for the one year. The kid lives in it with whatever family member they want M-F. It would be the primary residence.

There was a very famous--and well respected football player--who did that for his son about twenty years ago. It didn't turn out well.

I was suggesting they actually move there. Not rent just for the address. That would be illegal.

Agree that would be illegal.

After giving this more thought and perusing the responses here, I'm beginning to think that FCPS is purposely hiding these numbers. I also wonder if the number of out of county students (excluding those at TJ) is insignificant (in which case it is no big deal to show those numbers) and how many are paying tuition. Or, maybe they are significant enough to affect boundary decisions.

-OP

It’s the former. I’ve been a school-based administrator for over 15 years. I’ve never known anyone to pay out of county tuition. I have told parents that they will be charged this because we have discovered that they live out of county and we have proof (through a residency investigation). They withdraw.

Thank you. Are most of these discovered toward the beginning of the year? Is this a yearly occurrence or once in a blue moon? Besides my friend, the only other case I personally know of involved a ES student who unknowingly outted herself while I was waiting in the office to take my kid to a doctor appointment. The girl was explaining why she was tardy and it traffic on 495 was backed up on her way to school. We are in western Fairfax far from 495. The Secretary asked where the girl lived and it was somewhere up 95 north of the beltway. I don’t remember specifically where any more. It was horrible to watch/hear.

Sometimes it is a separation and one parent still lives in the district but the student commutes on some days from the other parents house.

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Anonymous wrote:For some, it’s cheaper and easier to rent an apartment or a room somewhere in district for the one year. The kid lives in it with whatever family member they want M-F. It would be the primary residence.

There was a very famous--and well respected football player--who did that for his son about twenty years ago. It didn't turn out well.

I was suggesting they actually move there. Not rent just for the address. That would be illegal.

Agree that would be illegal.

After giving this more thought and perusing the responses here, I'm beginning to think that FCPS is purposely hiding these numbers. I also wonder if the number of out of county students (excluding those at TJ) is insignificant (in which case it is no big deal to show those numbers) and how many are paying tuition. Or, maybe they are significant enough to affect boundary decisions.

-OP

It’s the former. I’ve been a school-based administrator for over 15 years. I’ve never known anyone to pay out of county tuition. I have told parents that they will be charged this because we have discovered that they live out of county and we have proof (through a residency investigation). They withdraw.

Thank you. Are most of these discovered toward the beginning of the year? Is this a yearly occurrence or once in a blue moon? Besides my friend, the only other case I personally know of involved a ES student who unknowingly outted herself while I was waiting in the office to take my kid to a doctor appointment. The girl was explaining why she was tardy and it traffic on 495 was backed up on her way to school. We are in western Fairfax far from 495. The Secretary asked where the girl lived and it was somewhere up 95 north of the beltway. I don’t remember specifically where any more. It was horrible to watch/hear.

Sometimes it is a separation and one parent still lives in the district but the student commutes on some days from the other parents house.

I knew this to happen some years ago. They went back and forth. Dad lived in Loudoun, but I'm pretty sure it was legal. They had lived with mom and stepdad and then decided to split time. But, I think most was with mom in Fairfax. I think they did this for four years or so. Mom told me when they started it that she did not expect it would continue----but it did.

[Anonymous]

There seems to be a great deal of misunderstanding and perhaps antagonism toward the military. I will tell you that many military members who are stationed in this area own their own homes and pay Fairfax county real estate taxes. In addition, this area is a great place to retire and so a good number become Virginia residents and pay Virginia state taxes.
The federal aid forms are for all government workers not just military. Do your research before you take pot shots at members of this community!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a great deal of misunderstanding and perhaps antagonism toward the military. I will tell you that many military members who are stationed in this area own their own homes and pay Fairfax county real estate taxes. In addition, this area is a great place to retire and so a good number become Virginia residents and pay Virginia state taxes.
The federal aid forms are for all government workers not just military. Do your research before you take pot shots at members of this community!

Thank you! Military spouse (retired in Virginia)

I do not think that the county gets funds for the children of government employees. But, they get something.

I might add that military families add to the economy whether they purchase their homes or not. Even those who live on post.

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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a great deal of misunderstanding and perhaps antagonism toward the military. I will tell you that many military members who are stationed in this area own their own homes and pay Fairfax county real estate taxes. In addition, this area is a great place to retire and so a good number become Virginia residents and pay Virginia state taxes.
The federal aid forms are for all government workers not just military. Do your research before you take pot shots at members of this community!

Thank you! Military spouse (retired in Virginia)

I do not think that the county gets funds for the children of government employees. But, they get something.

I might add that military families add to the economy whether they purchase their homes or not. Even those who live on post.

AND, their employed spouses pay income tax in Virginia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For some, it’s cheaper and easier to rent an apartment or a room somewhere in district for the one year. The kid lives in it with whatever family member they want M-F. It would be the primary residence.

There was a very famous--and well respected football player--who did that for his son about twenty years ago. It didn't turn out well.

I was suggesting they actually move there. Not rent just for the address. That would be illegal.

Agree that would be illegal.

After giving this more thought and perusing the responses here, I'm beginning to think that FCPS is purposely hiding these numbers. I also wonder if the number of out of county students (excluding those at TJ) is insignificant (in which case it is no big deal to show those numbers) and how many are paying tuition. Or, maybe they are significant enough to affect boundary decisions.

-OP

It’s the former. I’ve been a school-based administrator for over 15 years. I’ve never known anyone to pay out of county tuition. I have told parents that they will be charged this because we have discovered that they live out of county and we have proof (through a residency investigation). They withdraw.

Thank you. Are most of these discovered toward the beginning of the year? Is this a yearly occurrence or once in a blue moon? Besides my friend, the only other case I personally know of involved a ES student who unknowingly outted herself while I was waiting in the office to take my kid to a doctor appointment. The girl was explaining why she was tardy and it traffic on 495 was backed up on her way to school. We are in western Fairfax far from 495. The Secretary asked where the girl lived and it was somewhere up 95 north of the beltway. I don’t remember specifically where any more. It was horrible to watch/hear.

Sometimes it is a separation and one parent still lives in the district but the student commutes on some days from the other parents house.

Understood but this was not the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't fed govt pay tuition for military kids? Isn't that why we fill out those forms?

Yeah, those military kids live inside FFX though. The reason fed gov pays their tuition is because the military don't pay real estate tax. However, I have not looked closely about what happens when the military families live off base therefore pays real estate tax via rents.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't fed govt pay tuition for military kids? Isn't that why we fill out those forms?

Yeah, those military kids live inside FFX though. The reason fed gov pays their tuition is because the military don't pay real estate tax. However, I have not looked closely about what happens when the military families live off base therefore pays real estate tax via rents.

That's only true if they live on base.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't fed govt pay tuition for military kids? Isn't that why we fill out those forms?

Yeah, those military kids live inside FFX though. The reason fed gov pays their tuition is because the military don't pay real estate tax. However, I have not looked closely about what happens when the military families live off base therefore pays real estate tax via rents.

Lots of military purchase homes--and they DO pay real estate tax. And, if they pay rent, the landlord is paying real estate tax.

They also pay sales tax, meal tax, etc. They purchase items at local businesses.
Believe me, they bring more to Fairfax County than they take out.

The ones that live on post do not live in luxury. And, most of them spend plenty of money in Fairfax County. And, most military in the area live off post.

[Anonymous]

FCCPS pays FCPS for about 16-40 kids to attend TJ. So others districts DO pay tuition.

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Anonymous wrote:FCCPS pays FCPS for about 16-40 kids to attend TJ. So others districts DO pay tuition.

TJ is a special case bc FCPS operates that Governor’s school. It was never exclusive to FCPS.

Military families are special cases.

Those are not what this thread is about

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Anonymous wrote:This information doesn’t show up anywhere I’ve looked. If you’re at TJ, a Governor’s school, out of county student don’t pay, which makes sense. There are other exemptions as well. I’m sure I don’t know what they are. I can guess that if a student who goes to a caregiver’s house in Fairfax, they may get an exemption. Maybe FCPS teachers who live outside Fairfax get exemptions for their children.

Friend moved out of county and planned to move her senior in with her parents, which would've been legit. However, instead, she didn’t move the kid in with her parents and shuttled him from out of county every morning. 🤦‍♀️ Apparently, this came out in some meeting. FCPS said her son could stay if she paid tuition bc the school had capacity. She was upset but this was known upfront. Ugh. “Simple” solution, move kid in with grandparents and make them legal guardians for his senior year. I feel bad for the kid.

Made me wonder how many people actually pay tuition as they should. Not sure if FCPS is even worth the expense.

Nope. That would not have worked. One cannot simply name a legal guardian who resides in FCPS for the purpose of attending tuition-free. If the parents were incarcerated or on their deathbed, and unable to care for their children, then they could attend tuition-free.

It’s all laid out in Regulation 2202: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/CYJLGM560E5E/$file/P2202.pdf

You don't need to mess with guardians

All you need to do is not bother to change your address when you move away from your high school zone

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't fed govt pay tuition for military kids? Isn't that why we fill out those forms?

Yeah, those military kids live inside FFX though. The reason fed gov pays their tuition is because the military don't pay real estate tax. However, I have not looked closely about what happens when the military families live off base therefore pays real estate tax via rents.

Most military pay ffx real estate taxes