Loyalty to Clubs/Leagues

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a current TM and my coach or admin staff accidentally loaded all the offers and assigned them to the teams of all players, of which as a TM, I could see in the system.

The thing is, is that they loaded all the offers after the 1st day of tryouts, meaning, they already had their mind made up which players they wanted to move down or up. Tryouts really didn't mean much at all.

The club said they would develop players, but in the end they moved down 3 players and took 3 outside players. (2 didn't even attend tryouts!) Next year, I will be looking and trying out clubs in the fall time, well in advance of tryout season. I didn't have the heart to tell my kid that it didn't really matter how hard you tried during tryouts as the Club already had her offer loaded up.

Not sure which club you’re in, but when they cut my son from Revolution after bringing outsiders who did not try out and that we learned were not going to pay fees we packed our stuff and left in a heartbeat. Betrayal is an understatement after seeing adults lie to our child looking them in the eyes

People are naive and have sense of entitlement to think they are permanently set on club, team or starting position

Life Lesson
Someone is always waiting for your desirable position, so perform to protect it

There's the flip side to this as well. There are players on teams where there is loyalty given via coach without merit even though there are better players available.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a current TM and my coach or admin staff accidentally loaded all the offers and assigned them to the teams of all players, of which as a TM, I could see in the system.

The thing is, is that they loaded all the offers after the 1st day of tryouts, meaning, they already had their mind made up which players they wanted to move down or up. Tryouts really didn't mean much at all.

The club said they would develop players, but in the end they moved down 3 players and took 3 outside players. (2 didn't even attend tryouts!) Next year, I will be looking and trying out clubs in the fall time, well in advance of tryout season. I didn't have the heart to tell my kid that it didn't really matter how hard you tried during tryouts as the Club already had her offer loaded up.

Not sure which club you’re in, but when they cut my son from Revolution after bringing outsiders who did not try out and that we learned were not going to pay fees we packed our stuff and left in a heartbeat. Betrayal is an understatement after seeing adults lie to our child looking them in the eyes

People are naive and have sense of entitlement to think they are permanently set on club, team or starting position

Life Lesson
Someone is always waiting for your desirable position, so perform to protect it

There's the flip side to this as well. There are players on teams where there is loyalty given via coach without merit even though there are better players available.

Loyalty= monetary value 90% of the time if not some social pull included. Coaches in general don't play worse players for the love of the kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a current TM and my coach or admin staff accidentally loaded all the offers and assigned them to the teams of all players, of which as a TM, I could see in the system.

The thing is, is that they loaded all the offers after the 1st day of tryouts, meaning, they already had their mind made up which players they wanted to move down or up. Tryouts really didn't mean much at all.

The club said they would develop players, but in the end they moved down 3 players and took 3 outside players. (2 didn't even attend tryouts!) Next year, I will be looking and trying out clubs in the fall time, well in advance of tryout season. I didn't have the heart to tell my kid that it didn't really matter how hard you tried during tryouts as the Club already had her offer loaded up.

Not sure which club you’re in, but when they cut my son from Revolution after bringing outsiders who did not try out and that we learned were not going to pay fees we packed our stuff and left in a heartbeat. Betrayal is an understatement after seeing adults lie to our child looking them in the eyes

People are naive and have sense of entitlement to think they are permanently set on club, team or starting position

Life Lesson
Someone is always waiting for your desirable position, so perform to protect it

There's the flip side to this as well. There are players on teams where there is loyalty given via coach without merit even though there are better players available.

Loyalty= monetary value 90% of the time if not some social pull included. Coaches in general don't play worse players for the love of the kid.

Maybe it gets sorted after a certain age but I promise you, step onto any 1st team game on the girls side in this area for any club that participates in any NL level for U13/14/15 and you'll find players that don't have the technical foundation necessary to be at that level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a current TM and my coach or admin staff accidentally loaded all the offers and assigned them to the teams of all players, of which as a TM, I could see in the system.

The thing is, is that they loaded all the offers after the 1st day of tryouts, meaning, they already had their mind made up which players they wanted to move down or up. Tryouts really didn't mean much at all.

The club said they would develop players, but in the end they moved down 3 players and took 3 outside players. (2 didn't even attend tryouts!) Next year, I will be looking and trying out clubs in the fall time, well in advance of tryout season. I didn't have the heart to tell my kid that it didn't really matter how hard you tried during tryouts as the Club already had her offer loaded up.

Not sure which club you’re in, but when they cut my son from Revolution after bringing outsiders who did not try out and that we learned were not going to pay fees we packed our stuff and left in a heartbeat. Betrayal is an understatement after seeing adults lie to our child looking them in the eyes

People are naive and have sense of entitlement to think they are permanently set on club, team or starting position

Life Lesson
Someone is always waiting for your desirable position, so perform to protect it

There's the flip side to this as well. There are players on teams where there is loyalty given via coach without merit even though there are better players available.

Loyalty= monetary value 90% of the time if not some social pull included. Coaches in general don't play worse players for the love of the kid.

Maybe it gets sorted after a certain age but I promise you, step onto any 1st team game on the girls side in this area for any club that participates in any NL level for U13/14/15 and you'll find players that don't have the technical foundation necessary to be at that level.

And those kids are still doing privates with their parents paying the right people/coaches so their kid keeps playing over others. Happens everywhere. It's not a loyalty of time it's a cash to hand agreement almost every time. If you think it isn't you aren't looking hard enough and they might be attempting to hide it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a current TM and my coach or admin staff accidentally loaded all the offers and assigned them to the teams of all players, of which as a TM, I could see in the system.

The thing is, is that they loaded all the offers after the 1st day of tryouts, meaning, they already had their mind made up which players they wanted to move down or up. Tryouts really didn't mean much at all.

The club said they would develop players, but in the end they moved down 3 players and took 3 outside players. (2 didn't even attend tryouts!) Next year, I will be looking and trying out clubs in the fall time, well in advance of tryout season. I didn't have the heart to tell my kid that it didn't really matter how hard you tried during tryouts as the Club already had her offer loaded up.

Not sure which club you’re in, but when they cut my son from Revolution after bringing outsiders who did not try out and that we learned were not going to pay fees we packed our stuff and left in a heartbeat. Betrayal is an understatement after seeing adults lie to our child looking them in the eyes

People are naive and have sense of entitlement to think they are permanently set on club, team or starting position

Life Lesson
Someone is always waiting for your desirable position, so perform to protect it

There's the flip side to this as well. There are players on teams where there is loyalty given via coach without merit even though there are better players available.

Loyalty= monetary value 90% of the time if not some social pull included. Coaches in general don't play worse players for the love of the kid.

Maybe it gets sorted after a certain age but I promise you, step onto any 1st team game on the girls side in this area for any club that participates in any NL level for U13/14/15 and you'll find players that don't have the technical foundation necessary to be at that level.

And those kids are still doing privates with their parents paying the right people/coaches so their kid keeps playing over others. Happens everywhere. It's not a loyalty of time it's a cash to hand agreement almost every time. If you think it isn't you aren't looking hard enough and they might be attempting to hide it.

No doubt. Clubs love taking athletes over soccer players so they can do their best to coach a result, yelling boot it or forward constantly.

[Anonymous]

I am a part of a club that seems to "value" loyalty and friendship with the right people. The result is we have about 5 kids that don't belong on the top team at all. It's really sad to see better players on the second team that really should be on first team.

And the greatest example of this: the coach's kid. We were burdened with a coach's kid this past season and he started every match. He was terrible. Its genuinely immoral.

[Anonymous]

More incentive to do the wrong thing than to do the right thing. Even at the older HS recruiting ages, if a team doesn't cut it for playoffs, as long as tney're not in the lower 1/3 of their conference they will get to attend their respective leagues playoff/showcase in the summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a part of a club that seems to "value" loyalty and friendship with the right people. The result is we have about 5 kids that don't belong on the top team at all. It's really sad to see better players on the second team that really should be on first team.

And the greatest example of this: the coach's kid. We were burdened with a coach's kid this past season and he started every match. He was terrible. Its genuinely immoral.

We've experienced this too. Not just the situation where the coach’s kid is roughly equal in ability—where you think, “Okay, sure, I get it.” I’m talking about when the coach’s kid is clearly not interested, lacks skill, and would rather be doing something else. It's the elephant in the room. The parents avoid the topic, the coach seems oblivious (maybe that’s for the best), and everyone just silently accepts it for an entire season. It’s such a strange dynamic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a part of a club that seems to "value" loyalty and friendship with the right people. The result is we have about 5 kids that don't belong on the top team at all. It's really sad to see better players on the second team that really should be on first team.

And the greatest example of this: the coach's kid. We were burdened with a coach's kid this past season and he started every match. He was terrible. Its genuinely immoral.

We've experienced this too. Not just the situation where the coach’s kid is roughly equal in ability—where you think, “Okay, sure, I get it.” I’m talking about when the coach’s kid is clearly not interested, lacks skill, and would rather be doing something else. It's the elephant in the room. The parents avoid the topic, the coach seems oblivious (maybe that’s for the best), and everyone just silently accepts it for an entire season. It’s such a strange dynamic.

Imagine how frustrating it is when it's not even the coach's kid but with a player that acts the same way who's parents are throwing money at the coach to keep the kid on the field the whole game. Does wonders for team moral and definitely doesn't hinder everyone else who's playing well and like they want to be there. Kid didn't even really care to play but never comes out and contributes nothing to the team all because their parents are loaded and willing to pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a part of a club that seems to "value" loyalty and friendship with the right people. The result is we have about 5 kids that don't belong on the top team at all. It's really sad to see better players on the second team that really should be on first team.

And the greatest example of this: the coach's kid. We were burdened with a coach's kid this past season and he started every match. He was terrible. Its genuinely immoral.

We've experienced this too. Not just the situation where the coach’s kid is roughly equal in ability—where you think, “Okay, sure, I get it.” I’m talking about when the coach’s kid is clearly not interested, lacks skill, and would rather be doing something else. It's the elephant in the room. The parents avoid the topic, the coach seems oblivious (maybe that’s for the best), and everyone just silently accepts it for an entire season. It’s such a strange dynamic.

Imagine how frustrating it is when it's not even the coach's kid but with a player that acts the same way who's parents are throwing money at the coach to keep the kid on the field the whole game. Does wonders for team moral and definitely doesn't hinder everyone else who's playing well and like they want to be there. Kid didn't even really care to play but never comes out and contributes nothing to the team all because their parents are loaded and willing to pay.

How does the team learn that someone is throwing money at the coach?

[Anonymous]

Yes, sometimes coaches and clubs screw over players. But parents need to look into the mirror, too. It's also true that parents are blind about their kid's ability and hypercritical of others who might be getting playing time. They then invent conspiracies instead of accepting that maybe their kid isn't as good as they think OR willing to put in the work to improve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are a tribal species. People like to root for their "team". It's as simple as that. When you are part of a club/league, work for a company, attend a school, live in a region, you tend to root for your own teams and against the others.

And clubs bank on this to keep you around and paying. If a club isn't working it's not weird to leave. Club movement is completely rationale as a paying customer trying to find the right fit for your child. It's a weird to proudly say your kid played with one club and group of kids for 6+ years as though it makes them better than the new player that just joined. Some clubs are a lot more culty than others though.

Ironically, it's often the the "elite" teams that are most culty. They have to convince the kids/parents that all the extra drive time/travel/sacrifice is worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you look around at this forum it is full of adults arguing about leagues and clubs. Why are people like this? Why do you care so much about a club and league? All you are doing is building someone's business at the expense of your own child.

This started with bringing your child to a tryout because they wanted to play a sport. And now you are wearing all the merchandise and getting red faced about ECNL being better than MLS Next...making it all about you. This is your hobby now and your kid takes a back seat.

It is all BS man. There is no loyalty In soccer . Only care about the kid’s development.