White Nationalism in the US military

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Anonymous wrote:It worries me. Over the decades I lived that life, I saw a change. The older people were more professional and apolitical and were from all different parts of the country. The younger people were more political and religious, and came mostly from the south.

For example, I remember a new commander asking a very senior leader how he can share “his faith” with his troops if they came to him for help because his faith was “important to him.” The very senior leader basically said it’s ok for your faith to be important to you, but it doesn’t belong in the office because you run the risk of alienating people who have a different faith. Faith guy seemed offended (as they frequently and easily are) but I was thrilled that the senior leader was so reasonable and matter of fact.

Once saw a new Lt Col hang a Gadsden Flag on his base house. Ridiculous. It didn’t last long, I suspect the professional and apolitical highest ranking officer on base told him to take it down.

By the end of our time there, I learned that the new highest ranking person on base was an evangelical trumper and sharing this with the local business leaders . Huge foul. Wildly unprofessional. Won the hearts of the local community that was evangelical trump country, but outrageously unprofessional.

And that was just his first term. It’s gotten so much worse.

Why would the colonel take down a Gadsden flag? It is a historically proper flag flown proudly throughout the US representing pushback to British tyranny.

So glad this era of liberal censorship has ended. May Biden’s silencing never again occur.

How is it historically proper? Is a confederate flag also historically proper?

You are seriously questioning how a flag that celebrates our revolution against Britain is proper?! I have no idea how to respond to such idiocy. Do you not understand that this flag is flown all over the country? That it is a flag of the marines and navy?

Ancient history. The flag has now been appropriated by extreme right wingers, tea partiers and Trumpists and a symbol of their "movement", mistakenly thinking they are like the patriots of old, which we all know isn't true.

Think of the swastika being appropriated by the Nazis.

Wrong. A bunch of Biden era progressive wackos tried to paint that picture but the Gadsden continues to fly without issue, it’s a sign of liberty and it’s disgraceful to suggest it’s anything like a Nazi flag. Thank goodness your point of view has fallen by the wayside.

These are the same people who told us that flying the American flag is racist, tried to cancel 4th of July, and constantly break their promises to move to Canada. They absolutely hate America and everything she stands for, so of course the Gadsden flag is a "symbol of white supremacy" to them. They think the same of the stars and stripes.

Which people?

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Anonymous wrote:Great topic, democrats. Run with this and loudly announce that you believe our servicemembers are largely racist.

Yeah, guys, don't do this. These different organizations - military, police, etc. - are made up of the human race. You will have amazing people and you will have jerks in every profession. Please don't stereotype and lump all people together because of their chosen career. Strive for the professionalism and excellence mentioned by another poster (ex military?). Those who are exceptional -- lift those folks up and honor them. For those who aren't -- address inappropriate behavior and don't let it fester. Just like anywhere else.

The only people doing that are the halfwitted maga gumps, who seem to think that the only way that non whites get jobs is through DEI. So, they’ve formed their own DEI for mediocre maga white guys, like Hegseth.

No one has implied that all of the military is racist. That would be stupid (see the posts above lol) and only comes from certain MAGAs posters.

Of course, none of that precludes the existence of a white nationalist movement in the military. It’s not whether it exists, it’s about how bad it is.

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Anonymous wrote:It worries me. Over the decades I lived that life, I saw a change. The older people were more professional and apolitical and were from all different parts of the country. The younger people were more political and religious, and came mostly from the south.

For example, I remember a new commander asking a very senior leader how he can share “his faith” with his troops if they came to him for help because his faith was “important to him.” The very senior leader basically said it’s ok for your faith to be important to you, but it doesn’t belong in the office because you run the risk of alienating people who have a different faith. Faith guy seemed offended (as they frequently and easily are) but I was thrilled that the senior leader was so reasonable and matter of fact.

Once saw a new Lt Col hang a Gadsden Flag on his base house. Ridiculous. It didn’t last long, I suspect the professional and apolitical highest ranking officer on base told him to take it down.

By the end of our time there, I learned that the new highest ranking person on base was an evangelical trumper and sharing this with the local business leaders . Huge foul. Wildly unprofessional. Won the hearts of the local community that was evangelical trump country, but outrageously unprofessional.

And that was just his first term. It’s gotten so much worse.

Why would the colonel take down a Gadsden flag? It is a historically proper flag flown proudly throughout the US representing pushback to British tyranny.

So glad this era of liberal censorship has ended. May Biden’s silencing never again occur.

How is it historically proper? Is a confederate flag also historically proper?

You are seriously questioning how a flag that celebrates our revolution against Britain is proper?! I have no idea how to respond to such idiocy. Do you not understand that this flag is flown all over the country? That it is a flag of the marines and navy?

Ancient history. The flag has now been appropriated by extreme right wingers, tea partiers and Trumpists and a symbol of their "movement", mistakenly thinking they are like the patriots of old, which we all know isn't true.

Think of the swastika being appropriated by the Nazis.

Wrong. A bunch of Biden era progressive wackos tried to paint that picture but the Gadsden continues to fly without issue, it’s a sign of liberty and it’s disgraceful to suggest it’s anything like a Nazi flag. Thank goodness your point of view has fallen by the wayside.

It’s hasn’t, it sounds like your social circle has just gotten worse.

Of course everyone makes fun of the Gadsden flag. A bunch of pretend tough guys went on and on about how they were going to fight for rights but instead they’ve all put on a gimp mask and beg to be pegged by the government. Every time I see one I laugh my ass off.

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Anonymous wrote:It worries me. Over the decades I lived that life, I saw a change. The older people were more professional and apolitical and were from all different parts of the country. The younger people were more political and religious, and came mostly from the south.

For example, I remember a new commander asking a very senior leader how he can share “his faith” with his troops if they came to him for help because his faith was “important to him.” The very senior leader basically said it’s ok for your faith to be important to you, but it doesn’t belong in the office because you run the risk of alienating people who have a different faith. Faith guy seemed offended (as they frequently and easily are) but I was thrilled that the senior leader was so reasonable and matter of fact.

Once saw a new Lt Col hang a Gadsden Flag on his base house. Ridiculous. It didn’t last long, I suspect the professional and apolitical highest ranking officer on base told him to take it down.

By the end of our time there, I learned that the new highest ranking person on base was an evangelical trumper and sharing this with the local business leaders . Huge foul. Wildly unprofessional. Won the hearts of the local community that was evangelical trump country, but outrageously unprofessional.

And that was just his first term. It’s gotten so much worse.

Why would the colonel take down a Gadsden flag? It is a historically proper flag flown proudly throughout the US representing pushback to British tyranny.

So glad this era of liberal censorship has ended. May Biden’s silencing never again occur.

How is it historically proper? Is a confederate flag also historically proper?

You are seriously questioning how a flag that celebrates our revolution against Britain is proper?! I have no idea how to respond to such idiocy. Do you not understand that this flag is flown all over the country? That it is a flag of the marines and navy?

Ancient history. The flag has now been appropriated by extreme right wingers, tea partiers and Trumpists and a symbol of their "movement", mistakenly thinking they are like the patriots of old, which we all know isn't true.

Think of the swastika being appropriated by the Nazis.

Wrong. A bunch of Biden era progressive wackos tried to paint that picture but the Gadsden continues to fly without issue, it’s a sign of liberty and it’s disgraceful to suggest it’s anything like a Nazi flag. Thank goodness your point of view has fallen by the wayside.

These are the same people who told us that flying the American flag is racist, tried to cancel 4th of July, and constantly break their promises to move to Canada. They absolutely hate America and everything she stands for, so of course the Gadsden flag is a "symbol of white supremacy" to them. They think the same of the stars and stripes.

Which people?

White progressives. Specifically, female white progressives, when it comes to military issues. They generally have little to no exposure to the military so they have no clue how moronic they sound given the actual demographics of the military, especially at the higher ranks.

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Anonymous wrote:It worries me. Over the decades I lived that life, I saw a change. The older people were more professional and apolitical and were from all different parts of the country. The younger people were more political and religious, and came mostly from the south.

For example, I remember a new commander asking a very senior leader how he can share “his faith” with his troops if they came to him for help because his faith was “important to him.” The very senior leader basically said it’s ok for your faith to be important to you, but it doesn’t belong in the office because you run the risk of alienating people who have a different faith. Faith guy seemed offended (as they frequently and easily are) but I was thrilled that the senior leader was so reasonable and matter of fact.

Once saw a new Lt Col hang a Gadsden Flag on his base house. Ridiculous. It didn’t last long, I suspect the professional and apolitical highest ranking officer on base told him to take it down.

By the end of our time there, I learned that the new highest ranking person on base was an evangelical trumper and sharing this with the local business leaders . Huge foul. Wildly unprofessional. Won the hearts of the local community that was evangelical trump country, but outrageously unprofessional.

And that was just his first term. It’s gotten so much worse.

Why would the colonel take down a Gadsden flag? It is a historically proper flag flown proudly throughout the US representing pushback to British tyranny.

So glad this era of liberal censorship has ended. May Biden’s silencing never again occur.

How is it historically proper? Is a confederate flag also historically proper?

You are seriously questioning how a flag that celebrates our revolution against Britain is proper?! I have no idea how to respond to such idiocy. Do you not understand that this flag is flown all over the country? That it is a flag of the marines and navy?

Ancient history. The flag has now been appropriated by extreme right wingers, tea partiers and Trumpists and a symbol of their "movement", mistakenly thinking they are like the patriots of old, which we all know isn't true.

Think of the swastika being appropriated by the Nazis.

Wrong. A bunch of Biden era progressive wackos tried to paint that picture but the Gadsden continues to fly without issue, it’s a sign of liberty and it’s disgraceful to suggest it’s anything like a Nazi flag. Thank goodness your point of view has fallen by the wayside.

These are the same people who told us that flying the American flag is racist, tried to cancel 4th of July, and constantly break their promises to move to Canada. They absolutely hate America and everything she stands for, so of course the Gadsden flag is a "symbol of white supremacy" to them. They think the same of the stars and stripes.

Which people?

White progressives. Specifically, female white progressives, when it comes to military issues. They generally have little to no exposure to the military so they have no clue how moronic they sound given the actual demographics of the military, especially at the higher ranks.

We really need to ban Fox News. Their brainwashing has done more damage to this country than any other since entity.

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Anonymous wrote:It worries me. Over the decades I lived that life, I saw a change. The older people were more professional and apolitical and were from all different parts of the country. The younger people were more political and religious, and came mostly from the south.

For example, I remember a new commander asking a very senior leader how he can share “his faith” with his troops if they came to him for help because his faith was “important to him.” The very senior leader basically said it’s ok for your faith to be important to you, but it doesn’t belong in the office because you run the risk of alienating people who have a different faith. Faith guy seemed offended (as they frequently and easily are) but I was thrilled that the senior leader was so reasonable and matter of fact.

Once saw a new Lt Col hang a Gadsden Flag on his base house. Ridiculous. It didn’t last long, I suspect the professional and apolitical highest ranking officer on base told him to take it down.

By the end of our time there, I learned that the new highest ranking person on base was an evangelical trumper and sharing this with the local business leaders . Huge foul. Wildly unprofessional. Won the hearts of the local community that was evangelical trump country, but outrageously unprofessional.

And that was just his first term. It’s gotten so much worse.

Why would the colonel take down a Gadsden flag? It is a historically proper flag flown proudly throughout the US representing pushback to British tyranny.

So glad this era of liberal censorship has ended. May Biden’s silencing never again occur.

How is it historically proper? Is a confederate flag also historically proper?

You are seriously questioning how a flag that celebrates our revolution against Britain is proper?! I have no idea how to respond to such idiocy. Do you not understand that this flag is flown all over the country? That it is a flag of the marines and navy?

Ancient history. The flag has now been appropriated by extreme right wingers, tea partiers and Trumpists and a symbol of their "movement", mistakenly thinking they are like the patriots of old, which we all know isn't true.

Think of the swastika being appropriated by the Nazis.

Wrong. A bunch of Biden era progressive wackos tried to paint that picture but the Gadsden continues to fly without issue, it’s a sign of liberty and it’s disgraceful to suggest it’s anything like a Nazi flag. Thank goodness your point of view has fallen by the wayside.

These are the same people who told us that flying the American flag is racist, tried to cancel 4th of July, and constantly break their promises to move to Canada. They absolutely hate America and everything she stands for, so of course the Gadsden flag is a "symbol of white supremacy" to them. They think the same of the stars and stripes.

Which people?

White progressives. Specifically, female white progressives, when it comes to military issues. They generally have little to no exposure to the military so they have no clue how moronic they sound given the actual demographics of the military, especially at the higher ranks.

We really need to ban Fox News. Their brainwashing has done more damage to this country than any other since entity.

Ma'am, I didn't say anything about Fox News. You really need to turn that garbage off and try to focus on what's actually being said.

Since you seem to have a weird fixation on Fox News, I will clarify for you that I don't watch it and cant engage about it in any informed way.

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Anonymous wrote:It worries me. Over the decades I lived that life, I saw a change. The older people were more professional and apolitical and were from all different parts of the country. The younger people were more political and religious, and came mostly from the south.

For example, I remember a new commander asking a very senior leader how he can share “his faith” with his troops if they came to him for help because his faith was “important to him.” The very senior leader basically said it’s ok for your faith to be important to you, but it doesn’t belong in the office because you run the risk of alienating people who have a different faith. Faith guy seemed offended (as they frequently and easily are) but I was thrilled that the senior leader was so reasonable and matter of fact.

Once saw a new Lt Col hang a Gadsden Flag on his base house. Ridiculous. It didn’t last long, I suspect the professional and apolitical highest ranking officer on base told him to take it down.

By the end of our time there, I learned that the new highest ranking person on base was an evangelical trumper and sharing this with the local business leaders . Huge foul. Wildly unprofessional. Won the hearts of the local community that was evangelical trump country, but outrageously unprofessional.

And that was just his first term. It’s gotten so much worse.

Why would the colonel take down a Gadsden flag? It is a historically proper flag flown proudly throughout the US representing pushback to British tyranny.

So glad this era of liberal censorship has ended. May Biden’s silencing never again occur.

How is it historically proper? Is a confederate flag also historically proper?

You are seriously questioning how a flag that celebrates our revolution against Britain is proper?! I have no idea how to respond to such idiocy. Do you not understand that this flag is flown all over the country? That it is a flag of the marines and navy?

Ancient history. The flag has now been appropriated by extreme right wingers, tea partiers and Trumpists and a symbol of their "movement", mistakenly thinking they are like the patriots of old, which we all know isn't true.

Think of the swastika being appropriated by the Nazis.

Wrong. A bunch of Biden era progressive wackos tried to paint that picture but the Gadsden continues to fly without issue, it’s a sign of liberty and it’s disgraceful to suggest it’s anything like a Nazi flag. Thank goodness your point of view has fallen by the wayside.

These are the same people who told us that flying the American flag is racist, tried to cancel 4th of July, and constantly break their promises to move to Canada. They absolutely hate America and everything she stands for, so of course the Gadsden flag is a "symbol of white supremacy" to them. They think the same of the stars and stripes.

Which people?

White progressives. Specifically, female white progressives, when it comes to military issues. They generally have little to no exposure to the military so they have no clue how moronic they sound given the actual demographics of the military, especially at the higher ranks.

White female democrats are IN the military. And married to people on the military. WHY do you people always forget that the military is diverse in every way???

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Great topic, democrats. Run with this and loudly announce that you believe our servicemembers are largely racist.

i agree

make some 30 second ads

great new platform

keep a picture of thousands of illegal aliens in the background

You lost all credibility when you voted for a man who called anyone in the service suckers and losers.

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And then installed a drunken racist rapist who got passed over for Lt Col and ran a veteran non-profit into the ground to lead the defense department.

No politician has offended or insulted my military family more than Trump.

So I guess the left will finish the job by calling the military-- literally the first public institution in America to be racially integrated-- racist.

No, that’s your reading comprehension problem and your own agenda.

What we’re saying is that white nationalism is increasing in the military and that’s a problem. This is not news to anyone who has been paying attention. It’s increasing everywhere and the military is not immune. But due to the nature of its function, its rise in the military is especially problematic.

I know, I know: too much nuance for MAGA.

You have presented no evidence at all to support the notion that white nationalism is increasing in the military. You just hate the US because you believe we are a systematically racist nation, and by extension, you believe anyone who would sign up for her military is racist. That isn't evidence. That's neurotic spiraling.

But I do think you should share your concerns with people. Let everyone around you know that what you really think the government should focus on right now is making sure that servicemembers think like you, or at least pretend to.

I’m married to a combat vet, disabled career military guy, wise guy. I’ve given up years of my life, a career, my children’s stability, and lots of money so my husband could serve this country. A country that has now embraced the fascism we used to fight. What a waste.

I am not obligated to share 15 years of reading that I’ve done on the subject or share every story about my lived experiences on military bases. Educate yourself. This is not a dissertation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Great topic, democrats. Run with this and loudly announce that you believe our servicemembers are largely racist.

i agree

make some 30 second ads

great new platform

keep a picture of thousands of illegal aliens in the background

You lost all credibility when you voted for a man who called anyone in the service suckers and losers.

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And then installed a drunken racist rapist who got passed over for Lt Col and ran a veteran non-profit into the ground to lead the defense department.

No politician has offended or insulted my military family more than Trump.

So I guess the left will finish the job by calling the military-- literally the first public institution in America to be racially integrated-- racist.

No, that’s your reading comprehension problem and your own agenda.

What we’re saying is that white nationalism is increasing in the military and that’s a problem. This is not news to anyone who has been paying attention. It’s increasing everywhere and the military is not immune. But due to the nature of its function, its rise in the military is especially problematic.

I know, I know: too much nuance for MAGA.

You have presented no evidence at all to support the notion that white nationalism is increasing in the military. You just hate the US because you believe we are a systematically racist nation, and by extension, you believe anyone who would sign up for her military is racist. That isn't evidence. That's neurotic spiraling.

But I do think you should share your concerns with people. Let everyone around you know that what you really think the government should focus on right now is making sure that servicemembers think like you, or at least pretend to.

NP. You know you are unserious PP. this has been reported on for years.
https://www.cfr.org/blog/violent-far-right-terrorist-threat-us-military

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2020/november/confronting-us-militarys-white-nationalist-problem

https://rollcall.com/2021/02/16/pentagon-report-reveals-inroads-white-supremacists-have-made-in-military/

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/02/06/signs-of-white-supremacy-extremism-up-again-in-poll-of-active-duty-troops/

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Anonymous wrote:It worries me. Over the decades I lived that life, I saw a change. The older people were more professional and apolitical and were from all different parts of the country. The younger people were more political and religious, and came mostly from the south.

For example, I remember a new commander asking a very senior leader how he can share “his faith” with his troops if they came to him for help because his faith was “important to him.” The very senior leader basically said it’s ok for your faith to be important to you, but it doesn’t belong in the office because you run the risk of alienating people who have a different faith. Faith guy seemed offended (as they frequently and easily are) but I was thrilled that the senior leader was so reasonable and matter of fact.

Once saw a new Lt Col hang a Gadsden Flag on his base house. Ridiculous. It didn’t last long, I suspect the professional and apolitical highest ranking officer on base told him to take it down.

By the end of our time there, I learned that the new highest ranking person on base was an evangelical trumper and sharing this with the local business leaders . Huge foul. Wildly unprofessional. Won the hearts of the local community that was evangelical trump country, but outrageously unprofessional.

And that was just his first term. It’s gotten so much worse.

Why would the colonel take down a Gadsden flag? It is a historically proper flag flown proudly throughout the US representing pushback to British tyranny.

So glad this era of liberal censorship has ended. May Biden’s silencing never again occur.

How is it historically proper? Is a confederate flag also historically proper?

You are seriously questioning how a flag that celebrates our revolution against Britain is proper?! I have no idea how to respond to such idiocy. Do you not understand that this flag is flown all over the country? That it is a flag of the marines and navy?

Ancient history. The flag has now been appropriated by extreme right wingers, tea partiers and Trumpists and a symbol of their "movement", mistakenly thinking they are like the patriots of old, which we all know isn't true.

Think of the swastika being appropriated by the Nazis.

Wrong. A bunch of Biden era progressive wackos tried to paint that picture but the Gadsden continues to fly without issue, it’s a sign of liberty and it’s disgraceful to suggest it’s anything like a Nazi flag. Thank goodness your point of view has fallen by the wayside.

These are the same people who told us that flying the American flag is racist, tried to cancel 4th of July, and constantly break their promises to move to Canada. They absolutely hate America and everything she stands for, so of course the Gadsden flag is a "symbol of white supremacy" to them. They think the same of the stars and stripes.

Which people?

White progressives. Specifically, female white progressives, when it comes to military issues. They generally have little to no exposure to the military so they have no clue how moronic they sound given the actual demographics of the military, especially at the higher ranks.

What are you going to do with all those progressives, Democrats, and moderates who lean left who are uniformed members of the six branches of our armed forces

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It worries me. Over the decades I lived that life, I saw a change. The older people were more professional and apolitical and were from all different parts of the country. The younger people were more political and religious, and came mostly from the south.

For example, I remember a new commander asking a very senior leader how he can share “his faith” with his troops if they came to him for help because his faith was “important to him.” The very senior leader basically said it’s ok for your faith to be important to you, but it doesn’t belong in the office because you run the risk of alienating people who have a different faith. Faith guy seemed offended (as they frequently and easily are) but I was thrilled that the senior leader was so reasonable and matter of fact.

Once saw a new Lt Col hang a Gadsden Flag on his base house. Ridiculous. It didn’t last long, I suspect the professional and apolitical highest ranking officer on base told him to take it down.

By the end of our time there, I learned that the new highest ranking person on base was an evangelical trumper and sharing this with the local business leaders . Huge foul. Wildly unprofessional. Won the hearts of the local community that was evangelical trump country, but outrageously unprofessional.

And that was just his first term. It’s gotten so much worse.

Why would the colonel take down a Gadsden flag? It is a historically proper flag flown proudly throughout the US representing pushback to British tyranny.

So glad this era of liberal censorship has ended. May Biden’s silencing never again occur.

How is it historically proper? Is a confederate flag also historically proper?

You are seriously questioning how a flag that celebrates our revolution against Britain is proper?! I have no idea how to respond to such idiocy. Do you not understand that this flag is flown all over the country? That it is a flag of the marines and navy?

Ancient history. The flag has now been appropriated by extreme right wingers, tea partiers and Trumpists and a symbol of their "movement", mistakenly thinking they are like the patriots of old, which we all know isn't true.

Think of the swastika being appropriated by the Nazis.

Wrong. A bunch of Biden era progressive wackos tried to paint that picture but the Gadsden continues to fly without issue, it’s a sign of liberty and it’s disgraceful to suggest it’s anything like a Nazi flag. Thank goodness your point of view has fallen by the wayside.

These are the same people who told us that flying the American flag is racist, tried to cancel 4th of July, and constantly break their promises to move to Canada. They absolutely hate America and everything she stands for, so of course the Gadsden flag is a "symbol of white supremacy" to them. They think the same of the stars and stripes.

Which people?

White progressives. Specifically, female white progressives, when it comes to military issues. They generally have little to no exposure to the military so they have no clue how moronic they sound given the actual demographics of the military, especially at the higher ranks.

What are you going to do with all those progressives, Democrats, and moderates who lean left who are uniformed members of the six branches of our armed forces

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The people who accuse posters of not understanding the military are the posters who have no clue how many democrats, women, immigrants, and people of color are IN uniform. They out themselves as weekend cosplay tactical gear wannabes.

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Anonymous wrote:It worries me. Over the decades I lived that life, I saw a change. The older people were more professional and apolitical and were from all different parts of the country. The younger people were more political and religious, and came mostly from the south.

For example, I remember a new commander asking a very senior leader how he can share “his faith” with his troops if they came to him for help because his faith was “important to him.” The very senior leader basically said it’s ok for your faith to be important to you, but it doesn’t belong in the office because you run the risk of alienating people who have a different faith. Faith guy seemed offended (as they frequently and easily are) but I was thrilled that the senior leader was so reasonable and matter of fact.

Once saw a new Lt Col hang a Gadsden Flag on his base house. Ridiculous. It didn’t last long, I suspect the professional and apolitical highest ranking officer on base told him to take it down.

By the end of our time there, I learned that the new highest ranking person on base was an evangelical trumper and sharing this with the local business leaders . Huge foul. Wildly unprofessional. Won the hearts of the local community that was evangelical trump country, but outrageously unprofessional.

And that was just his first term. It’s gotten so much worse.

Why would the colonel take down a Gadsden flag? It is a historically proper flag flown proudly throughout the US representing pushback to British tyranny.

So glad this era of liberal censorship has ended. May Biden’s silencing never again occur.

How is it historically proper? Is a confederate flag also historically proper?

You are seriously questioning how a flag that celebrates our revolution against Britain is proper?! I have no idea how to respond to such idiocy. Do you not understand that this flag is flown all over the country? That it is a flag of the marines and navy?

Ancient history. The flag has now been appropriated by extreme right wingers, tea partiers and Trumpists and a symbol of their "movement", mistakenly thinking they are like the patriots of old, which we all know isn't true.

Think of the swastika being appropriated by the Nazis.

Wrong. A bunch of Biden era progressive wackos tried to paint that picture but the Gadsden continues to fly without issue, it’s a sign of liberty and it’s disgraceful to suggest it’s anything like a Nazi flag. Thank goodness your point of view has fallen by the wayside.

These are the same people who told us that flying the American flag is racist, tried to cancel 4th of July, and constantly break their promises to move to Canada. They absolutely hate America and everything she stands for, so of course the Gadsden flag is a "symbol of white supremacy" to them. They think the same of the stars and stripes.

Which people?

White progressives. Specifically, female white progressives, when it comes to military issues. They generally have little to no exposure to the military so they have no clue how moronic they sound given the actual demographics of the military, especially at the higher ranks.

White female democrats are IN the military. And married to people on the military. WHY do you people always forget that the military is diverse in every way???

I'm not talking about those people. I'm talking about white female progressives who talk about the military as though it is Balkanized like San Quinton. It was literally the first institution we integrated as a nation. And military members introduced the concept of interracial marriages into the mainstream, because for a long time, the military far outpaced the general population with mixed race marriages, children, etc.

Then you get these progressive white ladies, usually teacher types who live in places like Takoma Park and don't know anyone in the military. And since they hate America and see it as a racist nation, they decide against all evidence that the military is more racist than the general population.

Even the article linked on the OP concludes by saying that there is no evidence that military members have higher rates of white nationalism. So yes, you guys can find examples of it. I can come up with anecdotes too.

Know what the data actually shows? The most virulent and organized white nationalism movements are in places like Oregon and Washington. So go tell the ugly, blue haired, pretending-to-need-a-cane-but-actually-needs-acne-cream losers in Portland to stop racisting on everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:It worries me. Over the decades I lived that life, I saw a change. The older people were more professional and apolitical and were from all different parts of the country. The younger people were more political and religious, and came mostly from the south.

For example, I remember a new commander asking a very senior leader how he can share “his faith” with his troops if they came to him for help because his faith was “important to him.” The very senior leader basically said it’s ok for your faith to be important to you, but it doesn’t belong in the office because you run the risk of alienating people who have a different faith. Faith guy seemed offended (as they frequently and easily are) but I was thrilled that the senior leader was so reasonable and matter of fact.

Once saw a new Lt Col hang a Gadsden Flag on his base house. Ridiculous. It didn’t last long, I suspect the professional and apolitical highest ranking officer on base told him to take it down.

By the end of our time there, I learned that the new highest ranking person on base was an evangelical trumper and sharing this with the local business leaders . Huge foul. Wildly unprofessional. Won the hearts of the local community that was evangelical trump country, but outrageously unprofessional.

And that was just his first term. It’s gotten so much worse.

Why would the colonel take down a Gadsden flag? It is a historically proper flag flown proudly throughout the US representing pushback to British tyranny.

So glad this era of liberal censorship has ended. May Biden’s silencing never again occur.

How is it historically proper? Is a confederate flag also historically proper?

You are seriously questioning how a flag that celebrates our revolution against Britain is proper?! I have no idea how to respond to such idiocy. Do you not understand that this flag is flown all over the country? That it is a flag of the marines and navy?

Ancient history. The flag has now been appropriated by extreme right wingers, tea partiers and Trumpists and a symbol of their "movement", mistakenly thinking they are like the patriots of old, which we all know isn't true.

Think of the swastika being appropriated by the Nazis.

Wrong. A bunch of Biden era progressive wackos tried to paint that picture but the Gadsden continues to fly without issue, it’s a sign of liberty and it’s disgraceful to suggest it’s anything like a Nazi flag. Thank goodness your point of view has fallen by the wayside.

These are the same people who told us that flying the American flag is racist, tried to cancel 4th of July, and constantly break their promises to move to Canada. They absolutely hate America and everything she stands for, so of course the Gadsden flag is a "symbol of white supremacy" to them. They think the same of the stars and stripes.

Which people?

White progressives. Specifically, female white progressives, when it comes to military issues. They generally have little to no exposure to the military so they have no clue how moronic they sound given the actual demographics of the military, especially at the higher ranks.

What are you going to do with all those progressives, Democrats, and moderates who lean left who are uniformed members of the six branches of our armed forces

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The people who accuse posters of not understanding the military are the posters who have no clue how many democrats, women, immigrants, and people of color are IN uniform. They out themselves as weekend cosplay tactical gear wannabes.

Was a female in uniform but still able to notice that white female progressives make up crap about the military to suit their prejudices.

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Anonymous wrote:Great topic, democrats. Run with this and loudly announce that you believe our servicemembers are largely racist.

i agree

make some 30 second ads

great new platform

keep a picture of thousands of illegal aliens in the background

You lost all credibility when you voted for a man who called anyone in the service suckers and losers.

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And then installed a drunken racist rapist who got passed over for Lt Col and ran a veteran non-profit into the ground to lead the defense department.

No politician has offended or insulted my military family more than Trump.

So I guess the left will finish the job by calling the military-- literally the first public institution in America to be racially integrated-- racist.

No, that’s your reading comprehension problem and your own agenda.

What we’re saying is that white nationalism is increasing in the military and that’s a problem. This is not news to anyone who has been paying attention. It’s increasing everywhere and the military is not immune. But due to the nature of its function, its rise in the military is especially problematic.

I know, I know: too much nuance for MAGA.

You have presented no evidence at all to support the notion that white nationalism is increasing in the military. You just hate the US because you believe we are a systematically racist nation, and by extension, you believe anyone who would sign up for her military is racist. That isn't evidence. That's neurotic spiraling.

But I do think you should share your concerns with people. Let everyone around you know that what you really think the government should focus on right now is making sure that servicemembers think like you, or at least pretend to.

I’m married to a combat vet, disabled career military guy, wise guy. I’ve given up years of my life, a career, my children’s stability, and lots of money so my husband could serve this country. A country that has now embraced the fascism we used to fight. What a waste.

I am not obligated to share 15 years of reading that I’ve done on the subject or share every story about my lived experiences on military bases. Educate yourself. This is not a dissertation.

I'm sure you're a hit at parties when you're talking about the "rise of white nationalism in the military" to what you admit is a very diverse crowd. While I don't have "lived experiences" on military bases because I don't know what that phrase means, I lived on military bases and don't see servicemembers as any more likely than anyone else to be racist. Whatever issues you have with your husband, I suggest you sort it out instead of hectoring his buddies (who are no doubt from various races and backgrounds) and their families (who are more likely to be interracial than your book club friends) with your "concerns" about their exploding rates of "white nationalism."

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If anyone was doubting it, Trump just announced that he is restoring the name Fort Robert E Loser…er. Lee.