Are we being complacent about disappearing white collar jobs?

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Anonymous wrote:We will have to have UBI. If there is AI and robots, we can’t expect every human to work for money anymore.

Agreed. But I feel like large swarms of people not working (even if being given UBI, health insurance, etc.) has other implications. What will people DO all day? Lots of people, myself included, sort of need the structure of a job.

I really want there to be a national service program, like the CCC but expanded to include other types of community service.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We will have to have UBI. If there is AI and robots, we can’t expect every human to work for money anymore.

Agreed. But I feel like large swarms of people not working (even if being given UBI, health insurance, etc.) has other implications. What will people DO all day? Lots of people, myself included, sort of need the structure of a job.

I really want there to be a national service program, like the CCC but expanded to include other types of community service.

Unfortunately, Americorps just got canceled.

Maybe it's because I'm a mom, but I can think of TONS of stuff to do to fill my time. Get involved in local government. Volunteer in schools or other organizations. Clear trails. Make art. Write. Garden.

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Anonymous wrote:Policy wonks should be unemployed

Using the word “wonk” should be a capital offense

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, I think as a country we are complacent, and educated (white?) people as a group are complacent about the next generation. We have forgotten the space race and national push to educate kids so they would have good options. My parents were blue collar and busted their butts so I could go to college and live better than they did - not so their grandkids could work as Uber drivers and gig-economy coders with no benefits.

I've also noticed a fantasy that displaced white collar workers will somehow fill all the underpaid pink collar jobs - teachers, childcare, home health aides, etc - as if that wouldn't represent a massive cut nationally to incomes and spending power and tax base. We think we can chronically underpay a bunch of necessary workers until there's a shortage, and then try to fill those jobs not by paying more but by destroying the higher paying fields whose workers primarily consume and pay for those services.

Just like there is a fantasy that everyone’s kids can becomes plumbers and HVAC techs. There won’t be anyone paying to build or repair homes to employ the trades, and it’s not like you can build an export business on fixing toilets.

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I think we need more white collar job creation and it can’t always be from the government. We can’t all be plumbers.

While someone’s remark of “let them do manufacturing” was awful sounding, there are white collar jobs that come from that and probably not too many blue collar jobs because of the level of automation needed to make it cost efficient.

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Anonymous wrote:Are we being complacent about disappearing white collar jobs? When I look at job reports a lot of jobs seem to be in service related sectors. And people have been complaining about the tough job market for awhile now. Yet there are openings if you want to be a bus driver, home health aide, etc....

Yes. There is no other conclusion when you see the damage done by h1b and opt and f1 and l1 and h4ead etc. the goal of these programs is to replace US citizens with cheaper foreign labor

When did that become acceptable????

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I would have become a nurse - maybe a nurse anesthetist.

I’m a 53-year old lawyer and see that AI is going to gut our profession. I tell my kids to do something AI-resistant. If you are going to be a lawyer, be a prosecutor because AI can’t argue a case in court.

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I think they want women to stop working entirely and go back to the 50s when they were only wives or mothers. Men will work factory jobs and a few men will lord over them.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we need more white collar job creation and it can’t always be from the government. We can’t all be plumbers.

While someone’s remark of “let them do manufacturing” was awful sounding, there are white collar jobs that come from that and probably not too many blue collar jobs because of the level of automation needed to make it cost efficient.

I believe the government WAS creating white collar jobs. A lot of the research and scientific expertise that the feds were putting out was gobbled up by companies who used that data for profits. Think weather data, geological data, agricultural data, animal data, ocean research, mapping, seismic, etc. I saw daily how the private sector used what we put out. These were white collar jobs we were helping to create. But I guess that has no "value" to America anymore and we all deserve to be fired for being lazy scientists and engineers.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Trump admin had specifically said they want us to work in factories.

All those government jobs were good jobs that they cut- lawyers, engineers, scientists.

No one who worked as a lawyer, engineer, or scientist is going to go work in a factory.

Agree! The scientists that were RifD from my Agency have been able to find a better paying job within weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they want women to stop working entirely and go back to the 50s when they were only wives or mothers. Men will work factory jobs and a few men will lord over them.

+1.

They want women out of the workforce so that women’s economic choices are limited. The women then will have no choice but to marry the losers who can’t get women now, and give them sex.

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Anonymous wrote:I would have become a nurse - maybe a nurse anesthetist.

I’m a 53-year old lawyer and see that AI is going to gut our profession. I tell my kids to do something AI-resistant. If you are going to be a lawyer, be a prosecutor because AI can’t argue a case in court.

+1

I’m a regulatory lawyer and can see the writing on the wall. Things like compliance, policy interpretation etc. are ripe for replacement. I’m too old now to really change course. But I’ve been telling my kids a) not to go to law school, b) not to tie their careers to government, and c) keep a diverse skill set/be open to unconventional paths. This includes being good at things like musi, math, movie production, athletics, etc.

For instance, think of the players on the Savannah Bananas. Many of them may have had MLB dreams slashed, but then they found this alternative path still related to their dream and have leveraged social media to get big followings. They now sell out stadiums.

I realize that may be a silly example. But overall I think those who are well rounded and adaptable will fare the best.

Millennials have helped dispel the myth of get as much education as you can no matter the cost and get a nice white collar job with good benefits and you will be set. We have to prepare our kids for an entirely different world.

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Anonymous wrote:Soon we will be in the best new days where you, your kid, and your grandkids all can work in a factory job for the same company. That's what that lunatic from Cantor Fitzgerald said.
Ironic I really admired him for how he rallied the firm and took care of the dependents after 9-11. Was he always a nut?

Yes, then eventually another Walmart will come along and ship those jobs overseas once again. But, MAGA wants to screw tiny screws, so that’s what Americans will do for a generation. Someone in politics claimed it was a great job because you can listen to music. I wish I were joking.

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Anonymous wrote:We will have to have UBI. If there is AI and robots, we can’t expect every human to work for money anymore.

I really don't understand how UBI is supposed to work. If you give everyone "free" money, doesn't the cost of everything just go up?

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Anonymous wrote:We are being complacent, but for those of us in middle age, there's nothing to do except dance until the music stops.

I'm 44. If I could do it over I would be a house builder. But 44 is too late to start that journey.

Why home builder?