It is totally ok! I think OP's story is only relevant if you have a smart, neurotypical kid who really cares about going to an elite school, you have a lot of resources to put towards the project and, importantly, the kid is willing and able to do what the adults at home and school tell him to do regardless of how stressful it is. That still doesn't make a reach a target, but it puts you in the pool. But, you don't have to be in that rat race. Maybe that's by choice (that is, you have the money and the type of kid who COULD be in play) or it's accepting the reality that this is not your situation. And that's ok. Your kid can still find colleges where they can do well and go on to happy, productive lives. I've got two kids in college. One at VT but a major that had an 80%ish acceptance rate so it was a safety. The other at a mid-range LAC (acceptance rate around 70-80%, I don't remember exactly). Both felt their schools were a great fit. They have excellent programs for their goals, are providing them a lot of practical experience while in school, and they've found good friend groups. Have had good summer jobs/internships in their fields. VT kid is graduating with a job in his field that he's excited about that pays $85k. Both have ADHD although the LAC one struggles more with it and works with an EF coach. VT kid barely had ECs in HS other than summer job and some family volunteering. LAC kid focused on music. Our priorities for them in HS were balance academically so they wouldn't be overwhelmed, sleep time, and encouraging good friendships. It all worked out fine IMO without expecting them to turn themselves inside out to become a perfect college applicant. They did have good rigor but were probably in the top quarter of their class, not top 10%. Focused on APs in areas of strength. Mix of As and Bs. Each kid only applied to one reach (in state publics) but didn't ED to those because they really weren't their first choices. They really liked their safeties so not getting into the reaches was really no big deal. So, my main lesson learned - focus on helping the kid understand what is important to them at college and doing the research with them to find schools that can provide that, fit your budget, and they are likely to get into. That hugely lowers the stress level in the whole process. Even if they do want to shoot for a lot of reaches, investing in research early to find highly-likely schools that have great things for them is the best way to head off disappointment. |
You paid for a counselor for the first one, tutors for all, and private school for two (which you said was key for their leadership experience). You paid a lot. |
| Having been through this process once and with a much younger kid now the second time around, I agree that the kids personality is very important. My older son always took the toughest courses available even if he did not always get an A in it. He refused tutoring because he does not like the concept. He is an Asian kid who loved STEM and chess. We tried to dissuade him from applying as a CS major but he did not listen. Both my husband and I are Ivy alums and he got deferred and then rejected from our school. He went to a top OOS state school. He never followed any of OPs tips and frankly that is what I would have liked him to do. Fastforward a few years, he is still does his own way and has a startup which has been funded by VCs and he is doing great. I realized that some kids dont like to follow tested paths and want to do things on their own differently. I respect my son much more for pushing back on doing the easy things and sticking to his principles. I am glad he did not follow my advice during HS. He tells me his anthem is, Frank Sinatra's "I did it my way". |
Not with multiple Cs… |
Kids with Cs can get into competitive schools. If it was early in high school, you kids has something interesting to AOs (exceptional talent), and your kid's grades recovered (4.0 UW subsequent years), some schools will take a chance. |
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"Personal branding"?
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PP knows she is unlikely to get in with multiple Cs, and is pretty realistic about her DD's options, so why was it necessary to hammer home that point? |
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Seems like good advice if the family's absolute priority is to get admission into an ivy or ivy-ish school. But this parent driven strategy since 9th grade, with tutors involved at first A- or B, and focusing on every single point on each small assignment and curating interests/ECs and manufacturing their "passion" to create a narrative just for the purposes of ivy admission sounds exhausting and inauthentic. I do wonder as parents what we are teaching our kids if we follow this strategy and they observe what matters to us.
I don't see a lot of failure, creativity or authenticity being celebrated here. College "entrance" is not a destination in itself. I do worry this coaching is so focused on entry not experience. These are the last years our kids will live with us full-time. This is their adolescence and the end of their teen years. It should be for exploration, ups and downs and learning from bumps. Not just a curated well-paved path to enter a prestigious place with tons of scaffolding and support. |
I thought you said you paid for a private college counsellor for your 1st kid who went to an ivy, presumably that person guided the strategy and edited all your kids essays and curated their ECs/passion projects and told them to get a summer job to look good for their application? And you replicated the advice from that private college counsellor for kid #2 and kid #3. |
yeah that part is gross. they're teen kids. why is everything be corporatized and filtered away from any authentic messy inconsistency that teens should have if they haven't been pruned within one inch of their life into model bonsai trees? |
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I think you look at who the kid is in junior year. Then you see if you can "find a story" based on what they've loved, done, are passionate about.
It's not manufacturing it - its looking at their record. Some kids won't have anything. And that's ok. Those kids aren't competitive for the top schools. Other kids, of their own will and drive, will have stuff. Those kids already have a brand that they've developed. Sometimes even unknowingly. Those are often the strongest candidates and writers. |
| For most students, career outcomes are going to be similar whether they attend T20 or T100. Maybe if you want to be President or work at the #1 Research institution in your field it matters. But most people aren't doing that and will just end up with 2.5 kids and a house in the burbs. |
This. |
| So, so thankful I didn't need a "personal brand" to get into a top school back in the day. |