What I learned after doing the college app process with 3 kids

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I originally shared this about a year ago in response to another post and thought it would be helpful to share again, especially as many students begin preparing for college applications. I know this topic can attract mixed opinions, and that’s okay. Some may find this advice useful, even if some think it is overkill. Last time I posted it, I got a lot of positive feedback. I also often share this with friends who ask for advice.

As a mom of three—two attending / or graduated from different Ivy League schools and one at a top ivy-equivalent university—I’ve learned a lot throughout the process. For our first child we did use an extra college counselor, but we didn’t feel the need to do the same for the next two. We learned enough with the first. I also acknowledge we had a lot of privilege when it came to paying for tutors, extracurriculars, etc…

For context, my three kids have very different personalities. They’re all naturally bright to some extent, but more importantly, they’re self-motivated. My youngest needed more support with organization early in high school but adapted over time. Two went to private school, one attended public. Here is what I learned (and they learned!). Feel free to add things I could be missing.


1. Academics
Grades are the single most important factor in the admissions process. Consistency is key—students need to understand that even small assignments matter and even one point counts. If grades start to slip, take action early—whether that means getting a tutor, talking to teachers, or improving study habits. Planning ahead makes a huge difference. There is a difference between an A and an A-. It’s important to take challenging courses, especially in areas of interest, but grades should take priority. In most cases, an A in a regular class is better than a B in an AP class—unless it’s a subject relevant to their intended major. I didn’t realize before going through the process that some majors require specific coursework (e.g., AP Calculus for business programs).

2. Personal Branding & Passion Projects
If possible, find a way to connect personal interests or adversity to community service. One of my children turned a personal challenge into an advocacy and service initiative, while another built a project around their academic interests, incorporating travel and service into their application. Try to make a meaningful measurable impact.

3. Extracurriculars & Leadership
Leadership is important—whether that means taking on roles in existing organizations or starting a new club. A benefit of private school was it was easy to do this. Show commitment, passion, and consistency. Seek awards or recognition in areas related to the intended major. Also, the college counselor we did hire (in addition to school one) stressed the value of a job. IMO Summer programs are fine, but they don’t mean much on an application. However, they can be good opportunities to explore interests. One of my children realized they did not want to major in Computer Science after a summer program.

4. Essays & Storytelling
For the Common App essay, focus on that personal passion project or defining experiences that reflect core values. For supplemental essays, tie personal experiences to the school’s values and demonstrate alignment with the institution’s offerings.

5. Test Scores & Strategy
Learn the test. Practice practice practice! This is one area I think a tutor greatly helped. That said, one of my children was accepted to an Ivy League school without submitting test scores.

6. Choosing Schools & Strategy
Look into the relationships your high school has with certain colleges. Cast a wide net, connect with alumni. If possible, take advantage of Early Decision (ED) to increase chances at top-choice school.

just my two cents. I know there is not one formula and the process can be so random at times.

This is the piece that is the most important part in the entire college application process: the personality of the student. If the student is motivated and driven to do well, a genuine self-starter they will rise to the top. It is all about personal drive and you can't learn, teach or tutor drive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I originally shared this about a year ago in response to another post and thought it would be helpful to share again, especially as many students begin preparing for college applications. I know this topic can attract mixed opinions, and that’s okay. Some may find this advice useful, even if some think it is overkill. Last time I posted it, I got a lot of positive feedback. I also often share this with friends who ask for advice.

As a mom of three—two attending / or graduated from different Ivy League schools and one at a top ivy-equivalent university—I’ve learned a lot throughout the process. For our first child we did use an extra college counselor, but we didn’t feel the need to do the same for the next two. We learned enough with the first. I also acknowledge we had a lot of privilege when it came to paying for tutors, extracurriculars, etc…

For context, my three kids have very different personalities. They’re all naturally bright to some extent, but more importantly, they’re self-motivated. My youngest needed more support with organization early in high school but adapted over time. Two went to private school, one attended public. Here is what I learned (and they learned!). Feel free to add things I could be missing.


1. Academics
Grades are the single most important factor in the admissions process. Consistency is key—students need to understand that even small assignments matter and even one point counts. If grades start to slip, take action early—whether that means getting a tutor, talking to teachers, or improving study habits. Planning ahead makes a huge difference. There is a difference between an A and an A-. It’s important to take challenging courses, especially in areas of interest, but grades should take priority. In most cases, an A in a regular class is better than a B in an AP class—unless it’s a subject relevant to their intended major. I didn’t realize before going through the process that some majors require specific coursework (e.g., AP Calculus for business programs).

2. Personal Branding & Passion Projects
If possible, find a way to connect personal interests or adversity to community service. One of my children turned a personal challenge into an advocacy and service initiative, while another built a project around their academic interests, incorporating travel and service into their application. Try to make a meaningful measurable impact.

3. Extracurriculars & Leadership
Leadership is important—whether that means taking on roles in existing organizations or starting a new club. A benefit of private school was it was easy to do this. Show commitment, passion, and consistency. Seek awards or recognition in areas related to the intended major. Also, the college counselor we did hire (in addition to school one) stressed the value of a job. IMO Summer programs are fine, but they don’t mean much on an application. However, they can be good opportunities to explore interests. One of my children realized they did not want to major in Computer Science after a summer program.

4. Essays & Storytelling
For the Common App essay, focus on that personal passion project or defining experiences that reflect core values. For supplemental essays, tie personal experiences to the school’s values and demonstrate alignment with the institution’s offerings.

5. Test Scores & Strategy
Learn the test. Practice practice practice! This is one area I think a tutor greatly helped. That said, one of my children was accepted to an Ivy League school without submitting test scores.

6. Choosing Schools & Strategy
Look into the relationships your high school has with certain colleges. Cast a wide net, connect with alumni. If possible, take advantage of Early Decision (ED) to increase chances at top-choice school.

just my two cents. I know there is not one formula and the process can be so random at times.

If tutors and paid counselors and the benefits of private school for leadership experience were really that important, were they really all that self-motivated? Do you think the results would be the same if you hadn’t been able to afford all that scaffolding? If not, that’s not really self-motivation.’

[Anonymous]

OP is addressing parents. If the kids were so motivated why did mom and therefore other parents need to learn and do so much?

[Anonymous]

I agree that AP classes are better. The gulf between regular classes and AP is enormous. Your classmates in AP courses will be better students, the conversations and lectures will be interesting, the assignments will push you, the writing and reading will sharpen your skills.

A student who gets a B in AP is MUCH stronger than a student who gets an A in a regular class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree with these, just having had it work out well for my kid who followed a lot of what you wrote.

I would also add that you should really try to get your kid (and perhaps your own mindset) to stay in their lane. Applying to a few reaches is fine but they really need to focus on where they can reasonably get accepted. Kids who do that seem much happier with the outcomes than those who think Top 10 or bust. Sometimes you will get a surprise admit (my kid did for one reach), but she would have been happy at 2-3 other schools to which she was admitted.

Agree with this.
My kid got into 3-4 true reaches but also felt thrilled with all the love and scholarship $$ DC received from targets and likelies.

I'd also add that major matters in admissions. Along with the connection to story/transcript, etc. But the major choice has a direct impact on outcomes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: There is a difference between an A and an A-. It’s important to take challenging courses, especially in areas of interest, but grades should take priority. In most cases, an A in a regular class is better than a B in an AP class—unless it’s a subject relevant to their intended major. I didn’t realize before going through the process that some majors require specific coursework (e.g., AP Calculus for business programs).


Learn the test. Practice practice practice! This is one area I think a tutor greatly helped. That said, one of my children was accepted to an Ivy League school without submitting test scores.

This is why kids are unprepared in college, taking regular classes when AP is available because they don't want the possibility of a lower grade.

Also, LOL @ bragging about test optional

Maybe, but it is what gets them into a better college? And if they are high stats kids they will be just fine. My kids took plenty of AP classes.

As for test optional, Not bragging? Just pointing it out? Why would I be bragging about her going test optional?

1/2 of the Ivies are now test required and the others will convert soon

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know enough about academia, the job hunt and tenure process, etc. to know that the difference between a "top" school and an "okay" school is mostly the other kids there with you. If this is how you get in to a "top" school, I'm not sure that's the right cohort for my child.

This is what I am seeing as well. The peer groups are the biggest difference. Not the education. Certainly not the facilities. Not the professors. Not the opportunities. Kids get out of it what they put into it.

Also after getting into these top schools the crazy intense competition doesn’t end there. There will always be competition for clubs, etc. It is never ending. Few kids have the drive or stamina for succeeding in that while maintaining good mental health - and the ones who do are often sociopaths who end up being CEOs and politicians.

[Anonymous]

I've saved as if my DD is going to a top 50. I don't think that's going to happen. She has some executive functioning issues her freshman and sophomore year that we are addressing. She scores fine on tests, but she has a couple of Cs on her record because she didn't turn things in on time.

I've accepted that we will just look for mid private schools. She will drown in a large state school. I went to a good school. Once I accepted my DD won't follow my path, I'm much calmer and nag much less. She will still be successful! She still has a 3.7 GPA. In what world is that not OK?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP is addressing parents. If the kids were so motivated why did mom and therefore other parents need to learn and do so much?

OP here- I didn’t do much. In fact, I didn’t even read my kids essays. But, I learned through talking with people and seeing what they did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've saved as if my DD is going to a top 50. I don't think that's going to happen. She has some executive functioning issues her freshman and sophomore year that we are addressing. She scores fine on tests, but she has a couple of Cs on her record because she didn't turn things in on time.

I've accepted that we will just look for mid private schools. She will drown in a large state school. I went to a good school. Once I accepted my DD won't follow my path, I'm much calmer and nag much less. She will still be successful! She still has a 3.7 GPA. In what world is that not OK?

OP here - I think that is perfectly okay! I am sure she will be very very successful. Different kids are looking for different things

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP is addressing parents. If the kids were so motivated why did mom and therefore other parents need to learn and do so much?

OP here- I didn’t do much. In fact, I didn’t even read my kids essays. But, I learned through talking with people and seeing what they did.

I hope you didn’t do much considering how much you paid!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know enough about academia, the job hunt and tenure process, etc. to know that the difference between a "top" school and an "okay" school is mostly the other kids there with you. If this is how you get in to a "top" school, I'm not sure that's the right cohort for my child.

This is what I am seeing as well. The peer groups are the biggest difference. Not the education. Certainly not the facilities. Not the professors. Not the opportunities. Kids get out of it what they put into it.

Also after getting into these top schools the crazy intense competition doesn’t end there. There will always be competition for clubs, etc. It is never ending. Few kids have the drive or stamina for succeeding in that while maintaining good mental health - and the ones who do are often sociopaths who end up being CEOs and politicians.

I agree with this. However, I have found that they might be more holistic than you think. Greek life, partying etc…. The kids have drive and are smart, but many of them aren’t much different than other okay schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some good tips above depending on your goal.

There are so many colleges and all kids have different needs- it’s figuring out what’s important to them and to a lesser extent, the parents.

Our kids are healthy and did fine without tutoring, test prep or college advisor. (Second kid did some online SAT prep book).

We live in an MCPS HS district that is solid and has APs, but not one that is super competitive or grade focused.

Both kids are happy and thriving at Big-10 schools in different states.

First child was disorganized in HS gifted magnet public programs with a GPA around 3.0 and ~10 APs and a variety of extracurricular activities. If we’d had the money, we might have had a tutor. Kid is a good test taker and got into a state flagship, with some money, not tons. Currently in grad school.

Second kid, very disciplined and focused, with weighted GPA of 4.5 with challenging course load and over a dozen APs (4s & 5s).
Though stressful at times, this kid is also laid-back, so wasn’t in a state of stress despite the heavy load. Second kid got into top publics and mid-tier Big-10s and chose the one that offered the most merit for OOS.

So, yes, grades matter, but so does your kids personality.

Good luck!

Congrats!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP is addressing parents. If the kids were so motivated why did mom and therefore other parents need to learn and do so much?

OP here- I didn’t do much. In fact, I didn’t even read my kids essays. But, I learned through talking with people and seeing what they did.

I hope you didn’t do much considering how much you paid!

Not sure “how much I paid.” A key point of this post was that I did not pay for a college counselor?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've saved as if my DD is going to a top 50. I don't think that's going to happen. She has some executive functioning issues her freshman and sophomore year that we are addressing. She scores fine on tests, but she has a couple of Cs on her record because she didn't turn things in on time.

I've accepted that we will just look for mid private schools. She will drown in a large state school. I went to a good school. Once I accepted my DD won't follow my path, I'm much calmer and nag much less. She will still be successful! She still has a 3.7 GPA. In what world is that not OK?

OP here - I think that is perfectly okay! I am sure she will be very very successful. Different kids are looking for different things

Oh, I know, but my inner competitor has had a hard time getting to this point. Then I have to remember to think rationally! Yes, she is smart. Yes, she has some issues. Yes, she probably won't be admitted to Northwestern, Duke or Dartmouth, lol.