Will the Supreme Court stop Trump from Firing the Ethics Watchdog?

[Anonymous]

Where were the liberal alarmists when Biden fired the head of the Social Security Administration, that the law stated had similar protections? They weren’t crying “constitutional crisis”, nor were activist judges usurping the power of the President by reinstating federal employees.

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Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly held that, when a cause is required to remove a public employee, due process is necessary to determine if that cause has been met. Neither Congress nor the President has the power to ignore or waive due process." [U.S. Merit Systems Protection Board, May 2015.]

Speaking of the Merot Systems Protection Board…

Insanity. Judges have essentially usurped the power of the President. The President is the head of the executive branch and has the authority to employ or fire inferiors at his will. Any law to the contrary is unconstitutional. Deep state judges are attempting to protect the bureaucracy that sees itself as having more authority than the President.

I agree.

The question is, who are the inferiors and who are not. Quasi judicial agencies are not a part of the executive branch. Here, the president is stepping on toes. This is a separation of powers issue.

In fact, they are. They might be better off elsewhere but they are in the executive branch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where were the liberal alarmists when Biden fired the head of the Social Security Administration, that the law stated had similar protections? They weren’t crying “constitutional crisis”, nor were activist judges usurping the power of the President by reinstating federal employees.

There was a law suit for that too and the firing was upheld. But the Special Counsel was carved out of that ruling. So that’s why there is still a question.

Also the SSA does totally different work. Just benefits claims. No investigation and administrative prosecution of claims of whistleblowing and personnel violations by federal employees and agencies. That’s what OSC does.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where were the liberal alarmists when Biden fired the head of the Social Security Administration, that the law stated had similar protections? They weren’t crying “constitutional crisis”, nor were activist judges usurping the power of the President by reinstating federal employees.

There was a law suit for that too and the firing was upheld. But the Special Counsel was carved out of that ruling. So that’s why there is still a question.

Also the SSA does totally different work. Just benefits claims. No investigation and administrative prosecution of claims of whistleblowing and personnel violations by federal employees and agencies. That’s what OSC does.

Yes OSC is a different agency from SSA. That is not an argument for saying the Special Counsel cannot be fired.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly held that, when a cause is required to remove a public employee, due process is necessary to determine if that cause has been met. Neither Congress nor the President has the power to ignore or waive due process." [U.S. Merit Systems Protection Board, May 2015.]

In the case where they ruled Trump could fire the head of CFPB at any time, Roberts wrote that the independence of independent agencies, like OSC, is contested.

No, he wrote that the CFPB was different from the other independent agencies. He noted that the other independent agencies were contested - but that doesn't mean that the Supreme Court will find them unconstitutional.

I don't understand why you wrote 'No'.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have hope in Roberts and Barrett to do the right thing.

Hahahahahahahaha hahahahaha. Oh good lord.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly held that, when a cause is required to remove a public employee, due process is necessary to determine if that cause has been met. Neither Congress nor the President has the power to ignore or waive due process." [U.S. Merit Systems Protection Board, May 2015.]

Speaking of the Merot Systems Protection Board…

Insanity. Judges have essentially usurped the power of the President. The President is the head of the executive branch and has the authority to employ or fire inferiors at his will. Any law to the contrary is unconstitutional. Deep state judges are attempting to protect the bureaucracy that sees itself as having more authority than the President.

Ok, elon. Or elon’s not-so-clever parrot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just fyi, that isn’t the ethics watchdog. That would be the head of the Office of Government Ethics (who was also fired but that position bas no statutory removal protections against firing). This one is the head of the Office of Special Counsel, which investigates federal employee whistleblower retaliation complaints and complaints of transgressions of other hiring laws, ie, nepotism, political bias, non-merit based hiring.

OSC can bring cases before MSPB. Trump also fired one of the three MSPB members who’s also suing but is a week or so behind in terms of the lifecycle of the case.

He fired the MSBP chair, she's the one going to court over it. And so far, a judge has said the chair has to stay put in the job. The chair is going to fight to show that there was zero cause for firing her, and it's clear in the law establishing the MSPB that the chair can be fired only for specific reasons which Trump didn't use.

MSPB. OSC. OGE. The inspectors general. Yep, the regime is clearing out the bodies tasked with overseeing ethics, whistleblowing, employment protections. This is all so clearly a move to gut oversight of every type, at every level. Congress set up these offices; if only Congress weren't a gaggle of bootlicking Republicans and hamstrung Democrats, Congress migiht be able to DO something. We desperately need to flip the Senate in the April 1 special elections, which replace senators who have ascended to the cabinet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just fyi, that isn’t the ethics watchdog. That would be the head of the Office of Government Ethics (who was also fired but that position bas no statutory removal protections against firing). This one is the head of the Office of Special Counsel, which investigates federal employee whistleblower retaliation complaints and complaints of transgressions of other hiring laws, ie, nepotism, political bias, non-merit based hiring.

OSC can bring cases before MSPB. Trump also fired one of the three MSPB members who’s also suing but is a week or so behind in terms of the lifecycle of the case.

He fired the MSBP chair, she's the one going to court over it. And so far, a judge has said the chair has to stay put in the job. The chair is going to fight to show that there was zero cause for firing her, and it's clear in the law establishing the MSPB that the chair can be fired only for specific reasons which Trump didn't use.

MSPB. OSC. OGE. The inspectors general. Yep, the regime is clearing out the bodies tasked with overseeing ethics, whistleblowing, employment protections. This is all so clearly a move to gut oversight of every type, at every level. Congress set up these offices; if only Congress weren't a gaggle of bootlicking Republicans and hamstrung Democrats, Congress migiht be able to DO something. We desperately need to flip the Senate in the April 1 special elections, which replace senators who have ascended to the cabinet.

Sure, but what about the time that Biden ate with the wrong fork?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They will probably rule they the congress cannot make a law that prevents the President from firing people

It does seem that all three branches are compromised. I fear that eventually violence will be the only answer.

Let’s be honest. They’ve been compromised for decades.

Please stop with your violence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where were the liberal alarmists when Biden fired the head of the Social Security Administration, that the law stated had similar protections? They weren’t crying “constitutional crisis”, nor were activist judges usurping the power of the President by reinstating federal employees.

This is exactly why liberals can’t be taken seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Where were the liberal alarmists when Biden fired the head of the Social Security Administration, that the law stated had similar protections? They weren’t crying “constitutional crisis”, nor were activist judges usurping the power of the President by reinstating federal employees.

There was a law suit for that too and the firing was upheld. But the Special Counsel was carved out of that ruling. So that’s why there is still a question.

Also the SSA does totally different work. Just benefits claims. No investigation and administrative prosecution of claims of whistleblowing and personnel violations by federal employees and agencies. That’s what OSC does.

Yes OSC is a different agency from SSA. That is not an argument for saying the Special Counsel cannot be fired.

It may not ultimately be a winning argument, but it’s an argument. That’s how the law works. Supreme Court will decide at some point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have hope in Roberts and Barrett to do the right thing.

I don’t

+1

The liar and the ring leader of the corrupt circus? Not likely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, they're under Trump's heel

this and he just signed an executive order claiming White House has power over independent agencies-I thought you republicans were all about "don't tread on me" you don't like government overreach-right??...I guess you and your snake friend have drank too much of the KKKool aid.

"[i]It represents Trump’s latest attempt to consolidate power beyond boundaries other presidents have observed and to test the so-called unitary executive theory, which states that the president has the sole authority over the executive branch. And it reflects the influence of Russ Vought, Trump’s budget chief, one of several conservatives in his orbit who have called for axing independent arms of the executive branch."
-Politico

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where were the liberal alarmists when Biden fired the head of the Social Security Administration, that the law stated had similar protections? They weren’t crying “constitutional crisis”, nor were activist judges usurping the power of the President by reinstating federal employees.

This is exactly why liberals can’t be taken seriously.

HAHA says a person supporting a felon and rapist as president....who organized an attempt to violently overthrow the government in 2021. Go away-you are dangerous to our country.