Only Harris/Walz signs, so how did trump win?

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Anonymous wrote:We live in a bubble of liberalism and diversity with an educated population. The rest of the country is not that, unfortunately.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Trump voters are too ashamed to advertise their support for him.

This. Especially the educated ones. They prefer to be quiet about their racism and misogynies.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris won definitively in Maryland, Virginia, and DC. Losing most of the rust belt was the nail in her coffin. Lots of toxic masculinity up there.

Toxic masculinity?

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Anonymous wrote:Consider why none of you speaks to anyone who supports Trump. Perhaps you should expand your tolerance muscle and avoid calling people idiots.

I posted above about spending time in Western PA and I think you are half right.

Where you are wrong is thinking there is value in trying to talk to hard-core Trump supporters -- the kind who put up signs in their yard and attend rallies and openly advocate for him. His base is VERY ugly to people on the other side of the political spectrum and this is just an exercise in fultility. I've done it but it doesn't matter and I won't do it anymore. They think *I* am stupid for disliking anything Trump does -- his actions on J6, is mishandling of Covid, his ugly rhetoric, his constant need for attention and drama. Like without even getting into policy, Trump's core supporters think I'm dumb for even caring about those things. A fair number of them also dislike me on principle because I'm a woman, I have a graduate degree, I had my kid late in life, and I choose to live in a city (largely for economic reasons but they don't care about that).

But where you are right is that there are a lot of people who voted for Trump who are not really Trump fans. Many held their nose to do it. But they are very frustrated with the state of the country and have not heard answers to valid questions from Democrats and have even been gaslit by many Democrats on issues like how they feel about the economy (telling someone who worries about money all the time that the GDP is high and the stock market is doing really well is obnoxious and tone deaf) and issues like crime and immigration (people have eyes, they understand things are different than they used to be, and Dems like to pretend they aren't -- that helps no one). I do think this eleciton result shows how Democrats neglected to engage independent voters who don't really align with either party (even those who register with one or the other) and who tune into elections late looking for solutions to their real problems and don't want to be told "actually you don't have any problems, everything is great -- just vote for us again." Everyone knows that not how most Americans feel and it's on Democrats for not having a good answer for those voters.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris won definitively in Maryland, Virginia, and DC. Losing most of the rust belt was the nail in her coffin. Lots of toxic masculinity up there.

Toxic masculinity?

"I will take care of the women whether they like it or not", while at the same time calling them "nasty" and "disrespectful" if they are anything but meek and demure. Most American men will NEVER vote for a woman as president.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m upset over this election, but when I look at my teenagers’ generation I’’m optimistic that this too shall pass. The old shall pass away.

This is the last gasp of the old dudes.

I disagree. My son is a teen and a Trump supporter. I’m not a trump voter - but nothing I say to him sways his opinion at all.

Nearly all of the teenagers I know are far left. Regardless, the current political situation is awful for young adults looking to find partners. We are so divided as a country and men and women are at odds with each other.

There was an interesting NYT The Daily episode on this - Gen Z (/young millennial) women are more Democratic than ever, while young men are swinging hard towards the GOP.

Re: yard signs. Obviously the cliche answer would be "well, you live in a liberal northeastern bubble so of course you only saw Harris/Walz signs" and there is probably some truth in that, but...I don't know. As someone who spends a LOT of time in Wisconsin- parents/sibling in suburban Green Bay area, sibling in an inner ring traditionally liberal MKE suburb, a sibling in a more suburban, traditionally conservative MKE suburb, a DD in Madison for college, and a very close friend in Eau Claire...plus traversing the state to get to these different places - the air really did feel different than it did in 2016 and 2020. I saw way fewer Trump signs than had in previous elections, and saw Harris signs in places that one does not usually expect to see Harris signs. And in the places one expects to see Harris signs, they were in way higher frequency than usual (like...80% of houses in a neighborhood had them instead of the usual half). Plus reports from my daughter about the huge lines to vote in Madison to vote for the past few weeks...and the news reports about record early vote turn out. And way more pro-Kamala social media from my WI friends than I ever saw for Biden or Hillary.

But, alas, it's true that yard signs don't vote and everyone who shows up to the polls counts as one vote whether your house is adorned in signs and you go to every rally or if you have no involvement whatsoever in politics besides showing up to the polls every two or four years (and anywhere in between). I suspect that Kamala supporters were much more emboldened to share their support this election, but there were a LOT of people who were quiet about their Trump support and/or way more "hold your nose and vote Trump" people than we ever thought possible.

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When was anyone allowed to put trump signs up around here or express their support for trump in anyway?

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Anonymous wrote:We live in a bubble of liberalism and diversity with an educated population. The rest of the country is not that, unfortunately.

This.
But also when you live in an area of majority liberals who have been conditioned by leftist media to equate “voting for the other mainstream party candidate” with “racist misogynist fascist-supporters” then it tends to have a chilling effect on publicizing your suppprt.

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Anonymous wrote:When was anyone allowed to put trump signs up around here or express their support for trump in anyway?

+1
I’ve had friends say to me that they could never be friends with a Trump voter.
But since I enjoy the friendship and don’t feel that way myself, I take that as my cue to keep my vote to myself.

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I mean drive to Loudoun, WV, coastal VA and MD Trump signs everywhere

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Anonymous wrote:Most Trump voters are too ashamed to advertise their support for him.

“Ashamed” and “shamed” are two very different things.
You can’t shout from the rooftops that “only misogynistic racist facists would vote for Trump” and then simultaneously wonder why you don’t personally know any Trump voters.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Trump voters are too ashamed to advertise their support for him.

Ashamed? Or afraid of violence from the “tolerant” left? “Oh, fascists deserve to be punched” - (something a true totalitarian would say - modern libs don’t even understand political labels, fascist = someone I don’t like)

The exact type of toxic thinking that lead to this result. Keep spinning

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Anonymous wrote:Harris won definitively in Maryland, Virginia, and DC. Losing most of the rust belt was the nail in her coffin. Lots of toxic masculinity up there.

Even Virginia moved to the right by 5 points. Loudoun county moved
right by 9 points PWC by 9.3 points and Fairfax by 5 Points. If these trends continue Democrats are likely to lose Virginia in 2028. There needs to be some serious self reflection by the DEMs on what they are doing wrong. Blaming toxic masculinity or racism does not help anyone win 4 years from now. Trump even won the popular vote, and this is the first time that his party has won the popular vote in 20 years. Clearly Dem messaging is ineffective and it is off putting to most voters. People need to learn from this experience or Dems will lose again in 2028.

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Garland Biden

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I’m upset over this election, but when I look at my teenagers’ generation I’’m optimistic that this too shall pass. The old shall pass away.

You may want to look at the analysis of the young vote. Actually, you probably so not want to look.
DS votes Trump and DSs split on their opinion.

+1 Trump did very well with young/first-time voters. You are kidding yourself if you think his only supporters were old. I actually think he did worse with older people than in the past. There are young people -- both male and female -- who support Trump.