SJC v. O’Connell - wild ending?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SJC has a new President and may not be as forgiving as prior regime. Will be curious to see how things shake out. SJC boys have been in bottom half of WCAC last couple years (7 of 11 this fall) so can’t excuse this behavior because of winning.

This president is just as bad as the last if not worse. He was a chief offer at Under Armour before coming to SJC. Their AD stated "we want to be the next IMG". The girl's coach is just as bad (not behavior wise) but person wise. She went out and recruited a bunch of girls to come to SJC for soccer (especially for goalie) who are family friends and not that good. They are also out losing in the semi-finals. The school just listens to the coaches and are throwing the Catholic part of the school out the window.

A lot to unpack here

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SJC has a new President and may not be as forgiving as prior regime. Will be curious to see how things shake out. SJC boys have been in bottom half of WCAC last couple years (7 of 11 this fall) so can’t excuse this behavior because of winning.

This president is just as bad as the last if not worse. He was a chief offer at Under Armour before coming to SJC. Their AD stated "we want to be the next IMG". The girl's coach is just as bad (not behavior wise) but person wise. She went out and recruited a bunch of girls to come to SJC for soccer (especially for goalie) who are family friends and not that good. They are also out losing in the semi-finals. The school just listens to the coaches and are throwing the Catholic part of the school out the window.

This is true. She recruited only from her own club and BSC this year, promoted zero others from JV -- and they haven't been all that stellar. I find that to be the antithesis of what school sports is about, but I guess that's why my kids don't go there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SJC has a new President and may not be as forgiving as prior regime. Will be curious to see how things shake out. SJC boys have been in bottom half of WCAC last couple years (7 of 11 this fall) so can’t excuse this behavior because of winning.

This president is just as bad as the last if not worse. He was a chief offer at Under Armour before coming to SJC. Their AD stated "we want to be the next IMG". The girl's coach is just as bad (not behavior wise) but person wise. She went out and recruited a bunch of girls to come to SJC for soccer (especially for goalie) who are family friends and not that good. They are also out losing in the semi-finals. The school just listens to the coaches and are throwing the Catholic part of the school out the window.

This is true. She recruited only from her own club and BSC this year, promoted zero others from JV -- and they haven't been all that stellar. I find that to be the antithesis of what school sports is about, but I guess that's why my kids don't go there.

Good for you!

[Anonymous]

Coach clearly behaved badly, but refs should actually be disciplined over not knowing the rules. It's hard to blame a coach for getting upset in an elimination game that the refs refuse to even look at the rule book.

[Anonymous]

O'Connell coach clearly a class act. I suspect he insisted on the PKs in part because he knew SJC coach was right and wanted to avoid any controversy. Handled it 100% correctly and was rewarded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Coach clearly behaved badly, but refs should actually be disciplined over not knowing the rules. It's hard to blame a coach for getting upset in an elimination game that the refs refuse to even look at the rule book.

Agree 100%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it. He's failing the test at every corner.

You are wrong and you know it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I looked at the high school rules after hearing about this situation and (to my surprise) the rules very clearly say that the coach can select any five players from the field or the bench. Not weighing in on whether or not it was worth arguing with the ref, but in defense of SJC coach, I can understand being frustrated that a ref doesn't know the rules and/or is unwilling to go look them up, given that it was a high stakes playoff game and coach may have made decisions in reliance on the rule.

Confirmed. WCAC uses NFHS rules that say any player on the roster can be selected for end of game penalties. I assume there were three officials assigned to the game, and if none of them knew the rule or the lead official didn't listen to them is inexcusable.

As far as the SJC coach's reaction, you might not like it, but in the end he got his best five penalty takers to take them.

Based on the refs I have seen in HS soccer, they probably didn't know the rules.

1. Based on description, the referee made two separate errors:
-- NFHS rules allow kickers to be selected from any player on the roster not solely those on the field (which is IFAB (USSF) Laws Of The Game).
-- The referee has no authority to determine winner of a suspended match. If the referee attempted to award a forfeit, this was also an error.
2. As per first point above, one of the problems are all the different law/rule sets (IFAB/USSF LOTG, NFHS Rules, NCAA Rules, association/league modifications of LOTG/Rules). Yes, referee should have known and, when challenged, reviewed the NFHS penalty kick rules. On the other hand, recognize that a U.S. referee might, in the fall, deal with three (+) different rule sets in the same week.
3. Sometimes due to [2], referees make errors, yes, and nearly all attempt to learn from them.
4. The referee association that assigned that match is top-tier. It includes multiple FIFA, easily a dozen+ national referees, and well over 50 regional referees. One of the highest-quality refereeing associations you'll find in the nation in terms of skills and experience. There is no such thing as perfect refereeing and if you're not satisfied with the quality of the refereeing in this league, perhaps the problem isn't the refereeing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I looked at the high school rules after hearing about this situation and (to my surprise) the rules very clearly say that the coach can select any five players from the field or the bench. Not weighing in on whether or not it was worth arguing with the ref, but in defense of SJC coach, I can understand being frustrated that a ref doesn't know the rules and/or is unwilling to go look them up, given that it was a high stakes playoff game and coach may have made decisions in reliance on the rule.

Confirmed. WCAC uses NFHS rules that say any player on the roster can be selected for end of game penalties. I assume there were three officials assigned to the game, and if none of them knew the rule or the lead official didn't listen to them is inexcusable.

As far as the SJC coach's reaction, you might not like it, but in the end he got his best five penalty takers to take them.

Based on the refs I have seen in HS soccer, they probably didn't know the rules.

1. Based on description, the referee made two separate errors:
-- NFHS rules allow kickers to be selected from any player on the roster not solely those on the field (which is IFAB (USSF) Laws Of The Game).
-- The referee has no authority to determine winner of a suspended match. If the referee attempted to award a forfeit, this was also an error.
2. As per first point above, one of the problems are all the different law/rule sets (IFAB/USSF LOTG, NFHS Rules, NCAA Rules, association/league modifications of LOTG/Rules). Yes, referee should have known and, when challenged, reviewed the NFHS penalty kick rules. On the other hand, recognize that a U.S. referee might, in the fall, deal with three (+) different rule sets in the same week.
3. Sometimes due to [2], referees make errors, yes, and nearly all attempt to learn from them.
4. The referee association that assigned that match is top-tier. It includes multiple FIFA, easily a dozen+ national referees, and well over 50 regional referees. One of the highest-quality refereeing associations you'll find in the nation in terms of skills and experience. There is no such thing as perfect refereeing and if you're not satisfied with the quality of the refereeing in this league, perhaps the problem isn't the refereeing.

Can you share what referee association is that? Thanks.

[Anonymous]

I heard that St. John’s fired their coach after the craziness. My son’s best friend plays there, and he’s absolutely thrilled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I heard that St. John’s fired their coach after the craziness. My son’s best friend plays there, and he’s absolutely thrilled.

I don't know whether this is true, but it is completely irresponsible to post "I heard . . . . " when talking about people's livelihoods and what could be the fate of a lot of kids' soccer club.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard that St. John’s fired their coach after the craziness. My son’s best friend plays there, and he’s absolutely thrilled.

I don't know whether this is true, but it is completely irresponsible to post "I heard . . . . " when talking about people's livelihoods and what could be the fate of a lot of kids' soccer club.

Unlike the rest of the posts about coaches on here that are based on 100% facts?
Please...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard that St. John’s fired their coach after the craziness. My son’s best friend plays there, and he’s absolutely thrilled.

I don't know whether this is true, but it is completely irresponsible to post "I heard . . . . " when talking about people's livelihoods and what could be the fate of a lot of kids' soccer club.

Well, there are a lot of people involved with him, either in club or HS, so I imagine someone with firsthand knowledge will be able to confirm/deny pretty quickly.

[Anonymous]

if true - that would be 2 firings at SJC this week

[Anonymous]

What sport?